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Lia The Sun Elf Wizard 03-06-08, 01:02 AM	When a demon or devil is killed, they return to their homeplanes. They can just be permanently killed in their homelands. And the gods? How can they be PERMANENTLY killed? Going a "little" too far. Is it possible to kill Corellon outside Arvandor? (no, i don't intend to kill Corellon, but i'm creating a world and i wanted a war between gods in the history of my world). Btw, i know Cyric as a mortal killed a god (or three, my memory is betraying me right now >_<), is it possible to a demon/devil/mortal or any other creature originally less powerful kill a god and become a deity?
syrinth 03-06-08, 01:47 AM	It's your campaign, what you say happens happens. The rules as written don't mean much in the face of the DM's ruling, especially when it comes to gods who tend to be filling non-combat roles anyways.
Lia The Sun Elf Wizard 03-06-08, 04:48 AM	Anyway, i'd like to know.
zeratulcraft 03-06-08, 06:43 AM	Generally you lower their HP to -10. If they're Outsiders, they reform eventually on their native plane. There are numerous optional ways for a mortal to become a god, one is to create a spell that does so, another is by gaining a huge number of followers, another is by killing a god, you take on his portfolio and all his followers. All in all though, none of those are actual written rules aside the -10 thing. It's really DM option on how mortals ascend, just remember to be consistent. If an NPC did it, a PC should be able to do it.
Bloodsoul 03-06-08, 07:34 AM	Only difficulty I can immediately think of would be gods with the Rejuvination Salient Divine Ability. They're still potentially killable, they're just a little stubborn when it comes to staying dead.
Mortavier Shadewalk 03-06-08, 01:11 PM	An important thing to remember about Cyric was that Ao had stripped the gods of their divinity, meaning they could be permanently destroyed by dying on the Prime. I'm fond of the idea that normally a mortal cannot kill a god without divine aid of equal or greater power (i.e. divine rank). As long as it makes sense, it's your campaign, they can die by whoever and however messily you want. ;)
PrinceOfTheVoid 03-06-08, 05:22 PM	Kill them with permanent damage, permanent HD loss, etc. Or kill them the regular way and use Trap the Soul, or mayve Wish them dead and hope your DM is lenient? Or use my Godslayer (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=925446&highlight=godslayer) class and make the entire pantheon quake in abject terror.:P
Lincoln Hills 03-06-08, 05:53 PM	Lia - Most of these folks are assuming you have access to Deities and Demigods, which provides a full list of divine powers and attributes. The premise of that book is essentially, "Yes: gods can be killed, if you've got the wherewithal." But they don't make it easy. However, the DM is quite within her rights to state that in her campaign, gods are immortal - or that they are only subject to destruction by other gods. (But remember that even in worlds with non-invulnerable gods, revive outsider and spells that emulate it (i.e., miracle) - can undo a god's death as easily as any other. Another good reason for gods to have divine allies.) In a world where nothing can destroy a god, the gods have no reason to be shy around powerful mortals. But in a cosmos where mortals can destroy them, gods have good reason to be much more standoffish - so the answer the DM gives really does affect the campaign.
Shemeska the Marauder 03-06-08, 06:53 PM	Well the fiends have killed gods in the past, using the following methods: Spreading disbelief and slowly undermining worship of the divine on the only planet one particular deity was worshipped on. End result: deity died from a slow and agonizing starvation of worship. All out, planetary scale slaughter of a god's mortal worshippers. Suspected to be one of the reasons that gods aren't actively involved in the Blood War. Demogorgon managed to destroy a pantheon of gods (almost by accident), by convincing the Abyss itself to consume them. Asmodeus is suspected in the death of the deity Abrimoch, but the truth of the claim or the cause is unknown. The Last Word: primordial magic found and used by Orcus/Tenebrous to obliterate Camaxtli of the Aztec pantheon, Maanzecorian of the Illithid pantheon, and a minor goddess named Tomeri. [The previous incarnation of the planar lord Primus was killed as well, and so was Bwimb (an archomental)]
McPoyo 03-07-08, 08:51 AM	Keep in mind, Cyric also used Mask in Sword form to kill those deities.
Gemstone 03-07-08, 09:15 AM	It all depends on how you define gods for your world. If you define them as in the norse mythos, or in the greek mythos, slaying a good simply require enough damage or a special kind of damage. Slaying a god is possible through many ways, as appointed above, but the best thing is to define the gods first, then set how to kill them :)
RAGNAROKISCOMING2007 03-07-08, 09:58 AM	Maybe the god can make a rank check to permenantly kill another deity. If unsuccessful the deity returns to its realm. Info from Project Dicefreaks (http://projectdf.phpbbnow.com/index.php) Rank Checks: When making a rank check against another deity or a cosmic entity, a deity (or cosmic entity) adds her divine rank as well as a +4 strata bonus for every divine strata which she is higher than her opponent. The different strata are quasideity, demigod, lesser deity, intermediate deity, greater deity, and overdeity. For example, if a rank 9 lesser deity and a rank 12 intermediate deity were to make opposed rank checks, the lesser deity would roll 1d20+9 (base 9) and the intermediate deity would roll 1d20+16 (base 12 + 4 strata bonus). If a rank 18 greater deity were to make a check against a rank 5 demigod, the greater deity would roll 1d20+30 (base 18 + 12 strata bonus) and the demigod would roll 1d20+5 (base 5). Intermediate and greater deities do not maximize rank check rolls.