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ChaosVirus
08-16-07, 09:22 AM I am trying to construct a city to be situated in the centre of a wasteland/dessert domain I am building for a ravenloft adventure.

The idea is effectively an Anti Sigil.

It will sport a trainstation, that is inside infinite, having platforms for trains that can in theroy go everywhere.

But as the nature of this city and the demiplane itself is. The trains are in most cases one way.

I am looking for critique and suggestions on how to make this almost psdeo sigil eberron dark steampunk city fit into ravenloft.

Description
The city was founded as New Glenwhich, but that was many many a year ago, and little if any of that once prosperus city remains.
What is left is twisted and broken, to lie forver in the shadows of the beast which lies now at the cities centre. The very thing this city now takes its name, the train station, Grand Central.

Some even mockingly call now this city Rune.

It all changed when he came, though some even say he did not exist at all, just the collective name for a group of entrepreneurs. But there fools, and he did.
Marcus Fleeting he was called, though I doubt that name was real. The Planar Consumption Engine he called it, it will change the world he said, and it did. It really did.

The Districts

The Shackled Gardens - Suspended by chains, held in place by the cities walls. Lies the most exlusive section of the city.
The homes of the elites of scoiety, and the cities goverment.
Constructed when the Infection ransacked the city, as an escape for the rich to avoid the diseases of the poor.
Many a time servants are seen dropping from this paradise, due to the employers disatification with there service, or merely for there amusement.

Unamed middle class section - The second level is in the daylight, and is a sprawing metropolis. It is the level most seen by visitors. It is filled with merchants, and workshops.

The Maw - The lowest level, is a mixture of slums, and factories, and also serves as a water collection basin. It is located just above the sewers, but alot of these open up into this layer, so disease is run rife.
It is the world of the slaves and the lower class, and as such many of the blind grey skinned orcs and morlocks (humans who have devolved over the genertions), with also many mutants and outcasts (there is also a civizilisation of drow down here, who usually live in luxury, and also organise the slaves, and also run alot of the criminal underbelly in grand central).
The main food source down here is a special type of black rice made to grow in darkness, another lynchpin of there diet is fungus bread, made from flour which is composed of the various fungi which grow in this damp underbelly.

The Trains
The trains will take you anywhere, as long as its not out.

Necropolis Railway - When the graveyards burst there banks, and the dead walked the streets a new way to manage the constant flood of the dead that now rotted in the streets.
So the necropolis railway was devised. Taking the dead across the wastelands, through Necropolis, and then into the elemental plane of Graves.

Mistway Express - Will take you anywhere in the demiplae of dread, just remember to pay your fare.

People of Rune

The Anonymous - Humonoids, who all look the same. There faces but a faint memory, there skin stretched over there heads, removing any sign which can tell them apart. They are the Anonymous, and they are legion.
The Anonymous, are a CN undead creature. Each one used to be another. But now fail to do so, left to wander the streets and the wastelands as the servants of the trainmaster. Your naighbor may disapear one day, and the next you see one more anonymous then usual. Both a reward and a punishment, for those who displease the lord.

Sometimes one will gain themselves again, and break free from the hive. But are left permently scarred, left without a face, and a life. Most go mad, wearing the skullls of animals to gain some sense of individuality.

(they are my anti dabus)

Influences are: Chatter from hellraiser, mr smith from matrix, the borg, faction paradox

Name: Mayour Grubwich III
Age: 64
Occupation: Mayor
Bio: The Mayour of Rune is a greedy pussball of a man, corrupted and fed by the money which endlessly flows into his pockets, from taxes and from his employer and master.
He runs the town for the trainmaster, provides a face, somthing to fool the poulace that they as a group have some control over the running of the city.He is Glutunnous as he is greedy, and often has food stains covering his shirt, his belly rasing obesisity new hieghts (and widths).

Name: Margret Lodd
Age: Unknown
Occupation: Pie Maker
Bio: In times long gone, she was a succubus, as beutifull and beguiling as the rest of her kin. But cursed by the dark powers she was. Stripped of her beauty, and power, forced to take the form of a hag.
Now she makes fine pies which are known throughtout the demiplane of dread, one may even be tempeted to be trapped in the demiplane just to taste one of her legendary pies.
Using her remain powers to drain the fear, the desire, and the despair from her victims, using the esscence of there soul as flavourings for her famous gourmet pies.
They say she has baked at least one of everything in a pie at one time or another.
Kensan_Oni
08-16-07, 10:06 AM I like this idea... and there is the idea that I would like to put the 'phantom train terminal and city" into a horror game, the city that doesn't exist, that has trains that nobody rides cause they have been broken down/track removed for years.

However, the only thought that I have... and this just might be me, and not really relevant to your game, is is this going to be a get around for the Lords of Ravensloft to get around their land binding rule? It seems to me things would get pretty chaotic if that indeed was the case.

Otherwise, it seems neat. I'd probably play around with the concept in a horror style thing unrelated.
Naderion
08-16-07, 11:05 AM Cities almost always are in two possible locations: Where resources are and where trade is, and any crossroad means big trade. That's the reason sigil is that huge and crowded.
Mirtek
08-16-07, 11:09 AM An anti-sigil? Maybe a city without doors which is actually boring and empty because no one can go in.

Well, the gods can get in, somehow all gods can get in, but they don't bother because it's uninteressting for them to controll the city without doors. :D
Sigurd van Norhusen
08-16-07, 12:59 PM 1) Take Union.
2) Add a couple of prominent Gehreleths.
3) Add a council of greater gods who collectively rule this place in the open.

There you go.
ChaosVirus
08-17-07, 12:59 PM When I mean Anti, I dont mean oppisite, more a dark reflection. A shadow of what sigil is.

The city of endless platforms, taking you to the greatest cage of all the demiplane of dread.

A city that powers itself on the mists itself, in a mockery of steam technology.

One that grows, despite the walls that border it never moving.

Whole towns dissapearing in the prime material, becoming but another twistred abstraction within the city, whole places taken by the trains.
ChaosVirus
08-17-07, 01:07 PM When I mean Anti, I dont mean oppisite, more a dark reflection. A shadow of what sigil is.

The city of endless platforms, taking you to the greatest cage of all the demiplane of dread.

A city that powers itself on the mists itself, in a mockery of steam technology.

One that grows, despite the walls that border it never moving.

Whole towns dissapearing in the prime material, becoming but another twistred abstraction within the city, whole places taken by the trains.
Joni-san
08-17-07, 08:22 PM A Sigil like place from where no-one can escape?

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8268/1180658406030mg0.jpg
ChaosVirus
08-18-07, 05:51 AM Instead of a place, which can take you everywhere.

A place which takes you from everywhere, to a place you cant leave from.

But mainly I mean in theme, a more darker, more grittier perversion of the themes of sigil, reflected in the demiplane of dread.
JulesCARV
08-18-07, 06:52 AM Some variant of factions would be good, I think. In Rune, though, the factions (maybe call them "cabals" or something instead) would all be rather twisted. Some would have a superficial resemblance to the "nice" factions of Sigil, but they would all be, at the core, dreadful. For instance, the equivalent of the Transcendent Order would be the Seekers of the Beast, a group which advocates eradication of rational thought in favor of instinct, with members who aspire to become amoral, bestial beings living purely on instinct, etc.
ChaosVirus
08-18-07, 09:29 AM I like the idea of Cabals. Another idea I am considering is that the person that controls the city, unlike the lady does not make her anger known. He does it in more subtle ways, dispite when she is lawfull neutral, he will be chaotic neutral.

Also no one knows if he exists. He is no more then a myth.
sicsemperjohn
08-18-07, 07:55 PM Man. The lady isn't lawful neutral.
*grumble mumble*
ChaosVirus
08-21-07, 08:38 AM I thought she was =/.....yey more wrong info in wikipedia
LordofNightmares
08-21-07, 09:01 AM The Anonymous - Humonoids, who all look the same. There faces but a faint memory, there skin stretched over there heads, removing any sign which can tell them apart. They are the Anonymous, and they are legion.
The Anonymous, are a CN undead creature. Each one used to be another. But now fail to do so, left to wander the streets and the wastelands as the servants of the trainmaster. Your naighbor may disapear one day, and the next you see one more anonymous then usual. Both a reward and a punishment, for those who displease the lord.

> They are the Anonymous, and they are legion.

I roffeled so hard at this. Some may understand why. I have one question... does their stretched out face skin have a green pigmentation?

P.S. Joni-san, you just made my day! xD
Ornum
08-22-07, 12:45 PM I thought she was =/.....yey more wrong info in wikipedia

It not technically wrong information. One of the WotC sources (MotP? Planar Handbook?) listed Her alignment as LN. Most ignore the reference, though and believe that She should either be TN, or that Her alignment should be left as a mystery.
Starmage21
08-22-07, 02:59 PM 1) Take Union.
2) Add a couple of prominent Gehreleths.
3) Add a council of greater gods who collectively rule this place in the open.

There you go.

I ran an adventure in the city of Union once, where there were several gods playing an active role(as in showing up personally via avatars) in a secret war contained within the temple district.
I say "secret" war because all the powers involved had churches within the district, and did not want them to be removed from one of the most prominent planar metropoli(metropolises?). The primary powers being Heironeous and Hextor.
Arilou_skiff
08-27-07, 08:17 AM Sounds a bit like China Mievilles' New Crobuzon....

I like the idea of the crossroads-city with the trains who no one rides...

In some ways the "Anti-Sigil" would be the rural town everyone wants to get out of. That could be an idea: Instead of a sprawling metropolis it is a decaying, crumbling city whose glory has once faded. The industries that fuelled it has failed or moved on, the trains that used to harvest it's resources no longer pass by.... Make it a city of a hundred thousand but built for a million....

Would make a pretty neat post-industrial symbol/idea. Think what lies behind terms like "Rust Belt".

Everyone who can has already left, only the destitute, the desperate, or those who are prefer to be big fish in a small pond are left....
ORC_Paradox
08-27-07, 09:21 AM When I mean Anti, I dont mean oppisite, more a dark reflection. A shadow of what sigil is.

Drat, because I was going to suggest the Lady of Pleasure.
storm_wind
08-28-07, 01:00 AM Make it so the trains do actually connect to specific Ravenloft domains, or maybe even the prime material... BUT they only run if the borders are open. So if anti-sigil's darklord closes his borders, no trains run. If where the train goes has closed borders, it doesnt run...

One thing that could make things really creepy is have the city be built on platforms like you said, and have the entire city surrounded by the mists. No sun, no stars, just the mists. and have platforms that go off into the mists, fading away into the powers only know what. (ok, maybe that is only creepy to those who have spent a large amount of time in the demiplane of dread, but for those of us who do... ::shudders::)
Sleepwalker13666
08-28-07, 01:33 AM One of the people (Realms of Chaos) who contributed to the Tome of Secrets had a really awesome plane of shadow, I'll see if I can find the link, you might be able to cannibalize a few ideas for your city.

Found it Project Shadow (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=911018&page=2)
locustechpriest
08-28-07, 03:00 AM Drat, because I was going to suggest the Lady of Pleasure.

Pain is pleasure, silly! *cough* Um... don't draw any conclusions based on me saying that, okay?
ChaosVirus
09-02-07, 07:27 AM Make it so the trains do actually connect to specific Ravenloft domains, or maybe even the prime material... BUT they only run if the borders are open. So if anti-sigil's darklord closes his borders, no trains run. If where the train goes has closed borders, it doesnt run...

One thing that could make things really creepy is have the city be built on platforms like you said, and have the entire city surrounded by the mists. No sun, no stars, just the mists. and have platforms that go off into the mists, fading away into the powers only know what. (ok, maybe that is only creepy to those who have spent a large amount of time in the demiplane of dread, but for those of us who do... ::shudders::)

I like those ideas, another idea I want for the city, is that it is reminisant of the megastructure of Niheis Blame!. But more steampunk then cyberpunk.

Spaces that seem to stretch on forever, pipes pumping mist, odd beings crawlings down corridors. The anonymous watching every step you take.

Then outside the city, endless dessert, fields of black obsidian, wierd crawling mutants born from the mists and the magical poullution which has ransacked the area. With the only sight being the towering viaducts which carry the trains stretching over a mile above your heads.
Ornum
09-02-07, 07:51 PM I like those ideas, another idea I want for the city, is that it is reminisant of the megastructure of Niheis Blame!. But more steampunk then cyberpunk.

Spaces that seem to stretch on forever, pipes pumping mist, odd beings crawlings down corridors. The anonymous watching every step you take.

Then outside the city, endless dessert, fields of black obsidian, wierd crawling mutants born from the mists and the magical poullution which has ransacked the area. With the only sight being the towering viaducts which carry the trains stretching over a mile above your heads.

With that description, why am I suddenly reminded of the ride on Blaine the Monorail from Stephen King's Dark Tower III: The Wastelands?
Johngalt137
09-02-07, 09:47 PM OP: The anti-Sigil? easy to make. Well its in a big valley in the Inlands, there are no portals to anywhere. There is no permanent way into it. Deities are allowed in, and there are no people there (except for the Lady of Pleasure). :P
locustechpriest
09-03-07, 02:47 PM Deities are allowed in, and there are no people there (except for the Lady of Pleasure).

Don't you mean the Lord of Pleasure? lol, That almost makes me shudder.
storm_wind
09-06-07, 10:23 PM the wasteland would make for an excellent border. think about it, when the darklord closes the borders 1-the trains dont run and 2- if you try to leave the city on foot, you just end up going into an endless wasteland of horrors.

this sounds like an absolutely incredible idea. i honestly wish my DM had it for our ravenloft campaign.
Speech
09-07-07, 04:50 PM A plane that was created as a prison of sorts? Sounds like Ptolus to me-the world was created by the gods to contain (and trap) all of the evil demons/devils of the universe. There's much more to it than that...but I don't want to spoil it for those who adventure there and don't know the secrets.

It was made by Monte Cook and is the best campaign setting I have ever seen. The entire book mainly centers on a city (Ptolus itself) and is the most comprehensive setting I have come across.

Did I mention it's a great book?

:D
locustechpriest
09-07-07, 09:22 PM Monte Cook, wasn't he involved in Ebberon? *too lazy to look*

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ChaosVirus 08-16-07, 09:22 AM	I am trying to construct a city to be situated in the centre of a wasteland/dessert domain I am building for a ravenloft adventure. The idea is effectively an Anti Sigil. It will sport a trainstation, that is inside infinite, having platforms for trains that can in theroy go everywhere. But as the nature of this city and the demiplane itself is. The trains are in most cases one way. I am looking for critique and suggestions on how to make this almost psdeo sigil eberron dark steampunk city fit into ravenloft. Description The city was founded as New Glenwhich, but that was many many a year ago, and little if any of that once prosperus city remains. What is left is twisted and broken, to lie forver in the shadows of the beast which lies now at the cities centre. The very thing this city now takes its name, the train station, Grand Central. Some even mockingly call now this city Rune. It all changed when he came, though some even say he did not exist at all, just the collective name for a group of entrepreneurs. But there fools, and he did. Marcus Fleeting he was called, though I doubt that name was real. The Planar Consumption Engine he called it, it will change the world he said, and it did. It really did. The Districts The Shackled Gardens - Suspended by chains, held in place by the cities walls. Lies the most exlusive section of the city. The homes of the elites of scoiety, and the cities goverment. Constructed when the Infection ransacked the city, as an escape for the rich to avoid the diseases of the poor. Many a time servants are seen dropping from this paradise, due to the employers disatification with there service, or merely for there amusement. Unamed middle class section - The second level is in the daylight, and is a sprawing metropolis. It is the level most seen by visitors. It is filled with merchants, and workshops. The Maw - The lowest level, is a mixture of slums, and factories, and also serves as a water collection basin. It is located just above the sewers, but alot of these open up into this layer, so disease is run rife. It is the world of the slaves and the lower class, and as such many of the blind grey skinned orcs and morlocks (humans who have devolved over the genertions), with also many mutants and outcasts (there is also a civizilisation of drow down here, who usually live in luxury, and also organise the slaves, and also run alot of the criminal underbelly in grand central). The main food source down here is a special type of black rice made to grow in darkness, another lynchpin of there diet is fungus bread, made from flour which is composed of the various fungi which grow in this damp underbelly. The Trains The trains will take you anywhere, as long as its not out. Necropolis Railway - When the graveyards burst there banks, and the dead walked the streets a new way to manage the constant flood of the dead that now rotted in the streets. So the necropolis railway was devised. Taking the dead across the wastelands, through Necropolis, and then into the elemental plane of Graves. Mistway Express - Will take you anywhere in the demiplae of dread, just remember to pay your fare. People of Rune The Anonymous - Humonoids, who all look the same. There faces but a faint memory, there skin stretched over there heads, removing any sign which can tell them apart. They are the Anonymous, and they are legion. The Anonymous, are a CN undead creature. Each one used to be another. But now fail to do so, left to wander the streets and the wastelands as the servants of the trainmaster. Your naighbor may disapear one day, and the next you see one more anonymous then usual. Both a reward and a punishment, for those who displease the lord. Sometimes one will gain themselves again, and break free from the hive. But are left permently scarred, left without a face, and a life. Most go mad, wearing the skullls of animals to gain some sense of individuality. (they are my anti dabus) Influences are: Chatter from hellraiser, mr smith from matrix, the borg, faction paradox Name: Mayour Grubwich III Age: 64 Occupation: Mayor Bio: The Mayour of Rune is a greedy pussball of a man, corrupted and fed by the money which endlessly flows into his pockets, from taxes and from his employer and master. He runs the town for the trainmaster, provides a face, somthing to fool the poulace that they as a group have some control over the running of the city.He is Glutunnous as he is greedy, and often has food stains covering his shirt, his belly rasing obesisity new hieghts (and widths). Name: Margret Lodd Age: Unknown Occupation: Pie Maker Bio: In times long gone, she was a succubus, as beutifull and beguiling as the rest of her kin. But cursed by the dark powers she was. Stripped of her beauty, and power, forced to take the form of a hag. Now she makes fine pies which are known throughtout the demiplane of dread, one may even be tempeted to be trapped in the demiplane just to taste one of her legendary pies. Using her remain powers to drain the fear, the desire, and the despair from her victims, using the esscence of there soul as flavourings for her famous gourmet pies. They say she has baked at least one of everything in a pie at one time or another.
Kensan_Oni 08-16-07, 10:06 AM	I like this idea... and there is the idea that I would like to put the 'phantom train terminal and city" into a horror game, the city that doesn't exist, that has trains that nobody rides cause they have been broken down/track removed for years. However, the only thought that I have... and this just might be me, and not really relevant to your game, is is this going to be a get around for the Lords of Ravensloft to get around their land binding rule? It seems to me things would get pretty chaotic if that indeed was the case. Otherwise, it seems neat. I'd probably play around with the concept in a horror style thing unrelated.
Naderion 08-16-07, 11:05 AM	Cities almost always are in two possible locations: Where resources are and where trade is, and any crossroad means big trade. That's the reason sigil is that huge and crowded.
Mirtek 08-16-07, 11:09 AM	An anti-sigil? Maybe a city without doors which is actually boring and empty because no one can go in. Well, the gods can get in, somehow all gods can get in, but they don't bother because it's uninteressting for them to controll the city without doors. :D
Sigurd van Norhusen 08-16-07, 12:59 PM	1) Take Union. 2) Add a couple of prominent Gehreleths. 3) Add a council of greater gods who collectively rule this place in the open. There you go.
ChaosVirus 08-17-07, 12:59 PM	When I mean Anti, I dont mean oppisite, more a dark reflection. A shadow of what sigil is. The city of endless platforms, taking you to the greatest cage of all the demiplane of dread. A city that powers itself on the mists itself, in a mockery of steam technology. One that grows, despite the walls that border it never moving. Whole towns dissapearing in the prime material, becoming but another twistred abstraction within the city, whole places taken by the trains.
ChaosVirus 08-17-07, 01:07 PM	When I mean Anti, I dont mean oppisite, more a dark reflection. A shadow of what sigil is. The city of endless platforms, taking you to the greatest cage of all the demiplane of dread. A city that powers itself on the mists itself, in a mockery of steam technology. One that grows, despite the walls that border it never moving. Whole towns dissapearing in the prime material, becoming but another twistred abstraction within the city, whole places taken by the trains.
Joni-san 08-17-07, 08:22 PM	A Sigil like place from where no-one can escape? http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8268/1180658406030mg0.jpg
ChaosVirus 08-18-07, 05:51 AM	Instead of a place, which can take you everywhere. A place which takes you from everywhere, to a place you cant leave from. But mainly I mean in theme, a more darker, more grittier perversion of the themes of sigil, reflected in the demiplane of dread.
JulesCARV 08-18-07, 06:52 AM	Some variant of factions would be good, I think. In Rune, though, the factions (maybe call them "cabals" or something instead) would all be rather twisted. Some would have a superficial resemblance to the "nice" factions of Sigil, but they would all be, at the core, dreadful. For instance, the equivalent of the Transcendent Order would be the Seekers of the Beast, a group which advocates eradication of rational thought in favor of instinct, with members who aspire to become amoral, bestial beings living purely on instinct, etc.
ChaosVirus 08-18-07, 09:29 AM	I like the idea of Cabals. Another idea I am considering is that the person that controls the city, unlike the lady does not make her anger known. He does it in more subtle ways, dispite when she is lawfull neutral, he will be chaotic neutral. Also no one knows if he exists. He is no more then a myth.
sicsemperjohn 08-18-07, 07:55 PM	Man. The lady isn't lawful neutral. grumble mumble
ChaosVirus 08-21-07, 08:38 AM	I thought she was =/.....yey more wrong info in wikipedia
LordofNightmares 08-21-07, 09:01 AM	The Anonymous - Humonoids, who all look the same. There faces but a faint memory, there skin stretched over there heads, removing any sign which can tell them apart. They are the Anonymous, and they are legion. The Anonymous, are a CN undead creature. Each one used to be another. But now fail to do so, left to wander the streets and the wastelands as the servants of the trainmaster. Your naighbor may disapear one day, and the next you see one more anonymous then usual. Both a reward and a punishment, for those who displease the lord. > They are the Anonymous, and they are legion. I roffeled so hard at this. Some may understand why. I have one question... does their stretched out face skin have a green pigmentation? P.S. Joni-san, you just made my day! xD
Ornum 08-22-07, 12:45 PM	I thought she was =/.....yey more wrong info in wikipedia It not technically wrong information. One of the WotC sources (MotP? Planar Handbook?) listed Her alignment as LN. Most ignore the reference, though and believe that She should either be TN, or that Her alignment should be left as a mystery.
Starmage21 08-22-07, 02:59 PM	1) Take Union. 2) Add a couple of prominent Gehreleths. 3) Add a council of greater gods who collectively rule this place in the open. There you go. I ran an adventure in the city of Union once, where there were several gods playing an active role(as in showing up personally via avatars) in a secret war contained within the temple district. I say "secret" war because all the powers involved had churches within the district, and did not want them to be removed from one of the most prominent planar metropoli(metropolises?). The primary powers being Heironeous and Hextor.
Arilou_skiff 08-27-07, 08:17 AM	Sounds a bit like China Mievilles' New Crobuzon.... I like the idea of the crossroads-city with the trains who no one rides... In some ways the "Anti-Sigil" would be the rural town everyone wants to get out of. That could be an idea: Instead of a sprawling metropolis it is a decaying, crumbling city whose glory has once faded. The industries that fuelled it has failed or moved on, the trains that used to harvest it's resources no longer pass by.... Make it a city of a hundred thousand but built for a million.... Would make a pretty neat post-industrial symbol/idea. Think what lies behind terms like "Rust Belt". Everyone who can has already left, only the destitute, the desperate, or those who are prefer to be big fish in a small pond are left....
ORC_Paradox 08-27-07, 09:21 AM	When I mean Anti, I dont mean oppisite, more a dark reflection. A shadow of what sigil is. Drat, because I was going to suggest the Lady of Pleasure.
storm_wind 08-28-07, 01:00 AM	Make it so the trains do actually connect to specific Ravenloft domains, or maybe even the prime material... BUT they only run if the borders are open. So if anti-sigil's darklord closes his borders, no trains run. If where the train goes has closed borders, it doesnt run... One thing that could make things really creepy is have the city be built on platforms like you said, and have the entire city surrounded by the mists. No sun, no stars, just the mists. and have platforms that go off into the mists, fading away into the powers only know what. (ok, maybe that is only creepy to those who have spent a large amount of time in the demiplane of dread, but for those of us who do... ::shudders::)
Sleepwalker13666 08-28-07, 01:33 AM	One of the people (Realms of Chaos) who contributed to the Tome of Secrets had a really awesome plane of shadow, I'll see if I can find the link, you might be able to cannibalize a few ideas for your city. Found it Project Shadow (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=911018&page=2)
locustechpriest 08-28-07, 03:00 AM	Drat, because I was going to suggest the Lady of Pleasure. Pain is pleasure, silly! cough Um... don't draw any conclusions based on me saying that, okay?
ChaosVirus 09-02-07, 07:27 AM	Make it so the trains do actually connect to specific Ravenloft domains, or maybe even the prime material... BUT they only run if the borders are open. So if anti-sigil's darklord closes his borders, no trains run. If where the train goes has closed borders, it doesnt run... One thing that could make things really creepy is have the city be built on platforms like you said, and have the entire city surrounded by the mists. No sun, no stars, just the mists. and have platforms that go off into the mists, fading away into the powers only know what. (ok, maybe that is only creepy to those who have spent a large amount of time in the demiplane of dread, but for those of us who do... ::shudders::) I like those ideas, another idea I want for the city, is that it is reminisant of the megastructure of Niheis Blame!. But more steampunk then cyberpunk. Spaces that seem to stretch on forever, pipes pumping mist, odd beings crawlings down corridors. The anonymous watching every step you take. Then outside the city, endless dessert, fields of black obsidian, wierd crawling mutants born from the mists and the magical poullution which has ransacked the area. With the only sight being the towering viaducts which carry the trains stretching over a mile above your heads.
Ornum 09-02-07, 07:51 PM	I like those ideas, another idea I want for the city, is that it is reminisant of the megastructure of Niheis Blame!. But more steampunk then cyberpunk. Spaces that seem to stretch on forever, pipes pumping mist, odd beings crawlings down corridors. The anonymous watching every step you take. Then outside the city, endless dessert, fields of black obsidian, wierd crawling mutants born from the mists and the magical poullution which has ransacked the area. With the only sight being the towering viaducts which carry the trains stretching over a mile above your heads. With that description, why am I suddenly reminded of the ride on Blaine the Monorail from Stephen King's Dark Tower III: The Wastelands?
Johngalt137 09-02-07, 09:47 PM	OP: The anti-Sigil? easy to make. Well its in a big valley in the Inlands, there are no portals to anywhere. There is no permanent way into it. Deities are allowed in, and there are no people there (except for the Lady of Pleasure). :P
locustechpriest 09-03-07, 02:47 PM	Deities are allowed in, and there are no people there (except for the Lady of Pleasure). Don't you mean the Lord of Pleasure? lol, That almost makes me shudder.
storm_wind 09-06-07, 10:23 PM	the wasteland would make for an excellent border. think about it, when the darklord closes the borders 1-the trains dont run and 2- if you try to leave the city on foot, you just end up going into an endless wasteland of horrors. this sounds like an absolutely incredible idea. i honestly wish my DM had it for our ravenloft campaign.
Speech 09-07-07, 04:50 PM	A plane that was created as a prison of sorts? Sounds like Ptolus to me-the world was created by the gods to contain (and trap) all of the evil demons/devils of the universe. There's much more to it than that...but I don't want to spoil it for those who adventure there and don't know the secrets. It was made by Monte Cook and is the best campaign setting I have ever seen. The entire book mainly centers on a city (Ptolus itself) and is the most comprehensive setting I have come across. Did I mention it's a great book? :D
locustechpriest 09-07-07, 09:22 PM	Monte Cook, wasn't he involved in Ebberon? too lazy to look