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Doom_Linnorm 04-06-07, 11:04 AM	Lets take a look on the flipside. How does a deity suddenly turn mortal? How many ways can a deity be stripped of his devine power? Also as a little forwarning: NO, PELOR CANNOT JUST INSTANTLY STRIP A DEITY OF HIS POWER. (I'm talking to you "P3l0r_m4n".)
Khadmus 04-06-07, 11:07 AM	Hey. That's copyrighted you know. And besides, I gave Mikhael the patent too. He may have something to say about that.
Reverend_Valek 04-06-07, 11:08 AM	Kill off 95% of his or her or its followers.
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-06-07, 11:08 AM	Actually, Pelor would petition to the ultra god. You know gods such as IO, Mecanus, Ao, Pelor, etc. Just to name a few. And yes, I do mind if you use that name to refer to me, draconic swine!
Khadmus 04-06-07, 11:10 AM	Gods gain their power from worshippers. Therefore, Pelor could declare a holy crusade against the followers of this god. If he (miraculously) succeeds, the god will...die? become mortal? I don't know. Overgod consent is always an option (Time of Troubles). The Maimed Lord finds it ironic that M1kh43l_p4r4d1s0 has a dragon avatar and is referrring to "draconic swine". Especially since your dragon looks to be red and the OP's dragon has a blueish tinge.
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-06-07, 11:12 AM	If he (miraculously) succeeds Ok, I just cast miracle a lot!
Doom_Linnorm 04-06-07, 11:19 AM	Apology for the name if it offends you, I thought you'd find it flattering actualy... and yes.. WHY THE HELL do you have a red dragon avatar if you're a pelor worshipper? CE=/=NG Options Kill lots of followers: Seems very true, becouse in most cases a deity does gain power from its worshippers. There's got to be more... Ancient relic maybe?
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-06-07, 11:32 AM	Apology for the name if it offends you, I thought you'd find it flattering actualy... and yes.. WHY THE HELL do you have a red dragon avatar if you're a pelor worshipper? CE=/=NG Options Kill lots of followers: Seems very true, becouse in most cases a deity does gain power from its worshippers. There's got to be more... Ancient relic maybe? No it doen't offend me, I was just joking. To answer your dragon pic question: because I am a "DM" and I love red dragons. Also go to a ultra deity.
Doom_Linnorm 04-06-07, 11:36 AM	Define "Ultra Deity" please. Becouse if I look at say... the Greek Pantheon. Zeus is the king of the gods, but he isn't so powerfull that he could strip the power from his sons/daughters/brothers/wife/sister etc. (That family is sooooooo messed up.) (Don't take this to seriously) How could a Pelorite love red dragons?!?! (Even if he is a DM, which by the way is an evil act... yes DMing is evil.) (I'm a DM aswell btw.) Why aren't you a Tiamat worshipper?!
Khadmus 04-06-07, 11:42 AM	DvR 25(?)+: Overdiety. These dieites do not grant spells...bla bla bla. It's a strictly business relation. And I don't mean the kind of business relation that harlots have. An actual business relation. Of course, I can't put words in the Pelorite's mouth.
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-06-07, 11:59 AM	(Don't take this to seriously) How could a Pelorite love red dragons?!?! (Even if he is a DM, which by the way is an evil act... yes DMing is evil.) (I'm a DM aswell btw.) Why aren't you a Tiamat worshipper?! As a DM I am actually a hextorian (yes, see earlier posts on my famous thread). But seeing how I rarly DM, most of the time I am strictly Pelorite.
MCage 04-06-07, 09:20 PM	The only way in my campaign that i allow a diety to be mortalized is by either killing its followers till their number is less then 1000 total (in my campaign world the planet is the size of Jupiter, its also not the only populated planet so this method is really sorta impossible) or an Overdiety, of which in my campaign there is only one and he doesnt do anything but sit there, there were two for a while back in 2nd ed, when we were all kinds of epic, but to quote a line from Payback "you go high enough and youll reach just one man"
Taeldrin Laesrash 04-06-07, 09:23 PM	I believe the only rules-stated way to demote a god is killing their followers. Overdeity intervention, artifacts, divine intervention, and powerful spells have all been invoked in D&D canon, but have never been detailed and explained.
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-06-07, 11:09 PM	I believe the only rules-stated way to demote a god is killing their followers. Overdeity intervention, artifacts, divine intervention, and powerful spells have all been invoked in D&D canon, but have never been detailed and explained. You forgot the righteousness of Pelor!
Starmage21 04-06-07, 11:30 PM	I believe the only rules-stated way to demote a god is killing their followers. Overdeity intervention, artifacts, divine intervention, and powerful spells have all been invoked in D&D canon, but have never been detailed and explained. Even the mass slaughter of followers isnt necessarily a win. Some dieties do not gain power from their worshippers at all(greek/roman), but rather its completely innate. Faerûn's dieties are 50/50 portfolio to worshipper power, and they used to be 100% portfolio based until the Time of Troubles Ao changed it.
sciborg2 04-06-07, 11:32 PM	core gods are not worshipper dependent.
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-06-07, 11:43 PM	Pelor!
Alpha_Moose 04-07-07, 12:06 AM	If a god dies and you bring it back to life (via Raise Dead), does it retain its divine status?
DrMorganes 04-07-07, 12:31 AM	Gods and demons! where did I read about this? In one of the many discussions on Mortal to Godhood (perhaps here, perhaps in some sourcebook or web supplement) the idea was put forth that a deity's godhead (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=godhead) was actually invested in some object (or perhaps within an idea). If a mortal could come to possess this object (or somehow objectify the idea), then he would rob the deity of its power and in effect become that deity. The concept is illustrated somewhat in Neil Gaiman's The Sandman (Footnote 1) and, now that I think of it, even better in Piers Anthony's Incarnations of Immortality (http://www.piers-anthony.com/incarnations.html) series of novels. Of course, there is precedent in real-world religion for divinity setting aside that divinity in favor of mortal flesh. We're all familiar with that story on some level or other. I won't go into it here, other than to note the timing of the OP's question... So if a mortal possesses the godhead and takes over the "office" of a deity, he becomes divine. What, then, happens to the entity who held that "office"? One could argue that the former entity is absorbed into the godhead and ceases to exist. If you use the rules for pact magic presented in the Tome of Magic, perhaps the former entity becomes a vestige. Or... The entity, separated from the power of the godhead, is stripped of his power and returned to the state it possessed immediately prior to ascending to divine rank. That is, they are returned to mortal status. Perhaps they recall their former power and would seek to reclaim the godhead. Perhaps they become entirely mortal once again (Footnote 2). All they would recall are echoes of divinity from half-remembered dreams. Or maybe, just maybe, the two entities switch places in some manner (c.f., Freaky Friday). Now "Pelor" has a slightly different personality. There may be a change in his portfolio over time to reflect this. And the mortal who stole the godhead doesn't appear that much different, but exhibits slightly different attitudes and beliefs than before - evidence that something has changed on a fundamental level. Footnote 1: Specifically the ending story arc The Wake. When one aspect of the Endless dies (an oxymoron in and of itself), a wake is held to mourn the loss and herald the arrival of the new aspect. In the series, the aspect of Dream more commonly known as Morpheus gives himself to his sister Death, essentially committing suicide. Following the wake, one of the Morpheus' followers addresses the new aspect as Lord Morpheus and is corrected along the lines of "I know not of this Morpheus. I am Dream." Footnote 2: John Daker in Moorcock's Eternal Champion series, beginning with The Eternal Champion, in which "mortal" John Daker takes on the "divine" mantle of the Champion Eternal, and ending with The Dragon in the Sword, which ends with John Daker setting aside the identity of the Champion Eternal and returning to his mortal life in London.
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-07-07, 12:37 AM	Ummm... Pelor?!?
vampymage 04-07-07, 11:32 AM	Ummm... Pelor?!? No Wee Jas, but nice try :)
Archangel62 04-07-07, 11:42 AM	Well, we had a campaign in which one of the players had the idea of playing the incarnation of a deposed god. He called himself Ron, cleric of Ron. During the course of the campaign Ron eventually reascended and told us that if we ever needed him to call him and he would appear no matter what. This led to some running gags, the church of Ron called us Heretics because of our comments on Ron and his nature. So we had to call him to us to stop the mob. So suddenly Ron appeared, in a bathrobe, showercap, and rubber ducky in tow asking why this always happened when he was going to take a bath. Though worse was when we were brought before the Pope of Ron who thought that we were trying to destroy the religion with our heretical words on their grand deity. So we called on Ron again to straighten things out...sadly this time Ron showed up angrily saying that he didn't appreciate us contacting him while he was on the john.
Kursk 04-07-07, 12:32 PM	I use the Olympian pantheon. They are unkillable and can't be made mortal. Solves a lot of these types of questions from PCs.
ArcTan 04-07-07, 02:45 PM	Lord Ao apparently did it just by snapping his fingers, or whatever, so it can't be that hard.
Witch 04-07-07, 03:00 PM	How would Pelor make a deity mortal? Let's, for example, look at Heironeous. Pelor would obviously organise a genocide to accomplish this goal - eh voila, Heironeous is mortal. :chicken:
Fencerboy 04-07-07, 03:51 PM	How would Pelor make a deity mortal? Let's, for example, look at Heironeous. Pelor would obviously organise a genocide to accomplish this goal - eh voila, Heironeous is mortal. :chicken: I fail to see the reason for the :chicken:... Or are you just going to end all your posts with it until someone tells you 9and the rest of the world) what it means? :D
Fencerboy 04-07-07, 03:53 PM	Did I mention that in one campaign, I slew Pelor? He later came back, and I killed him again. Got his mace too...
Andorxor 04-07-07, 04:05 PM	And than Pelor will join him,because as a god with paladins he should be held to the same standards as them.And genocide of LG people should make him fall from godhood.
Witch 04-07-07, 04:24 PM	And than Pelor will join him,because as a god with paladins he should be held to the same standards as them.And genocide of LG people should make him fall from godhood. Ah, but we have forgotten that Pelor is a fraud! Pelor, after all, allowed a vampire to suck dry a paladin's family, and then refused to help the paladin on destroying the vampire. (BoED, p188) Also note this quote: “Take him, my slaves! Drag his soul back to your dark masters!” —Argyll Te’Shea, servant of Pelor and malconvoker (Complete Scoundrel, p48) At the same page, you'll find that Pelor encourages the summoning of fiends by non-evil entities. He's obviously masquerading as a good god, in order to corrupt more good souls. Also note: ELH, p119: 84- The Lord High Priest of Pelor denounces her Deity and faith (...) 90-The secret texts of a prominent religion, recently discovered, call into question the church's real goal, its actual origin, and the agenda of its god. Unrelated? I think not. (Forgive me for revealing this hideous truth on this board as well.)
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-07-07, 05:17 PM	Did I mention that in one campaign, I slew Pelor? He later came back, and I killed him again. Got his mace too... No... You... DIDN'T!!!!! Ah, but we have forgotten that Pelor is a fraud! Pelor, after all, allowed a vampire to suck dry a paladin's family, and then refused to help the paladin on destroying the vampire. (BoED, p188) Also note this quote: “Take him, my slaves! Drag his soul back to your dark masters!” —Argyll Te’Shea, servant of Pelor and malconvoker (Complete Scoundrel, p48) At the same page, you'll find that Pelor encourages the summoning of fiends by non-evil entities. He's obviously masquerading as a good god, in order to corrupt more good souls. Also note: ELH, p119: Unrelated? I think not. (Forgive me for revealing this hideous truth on this board as well.) Friends, troll this Heritic!
Taeldrin Laesrash 04-07-07, 08:41 PM	Ah, but we have forgotten that Pelor is a fraud! Pelor, after all, allowed a vampire to suck dry a paladin's family, and then refused to help the paladin on destroying the vampire. (BoED, p188) Also note this quote: “Take him, my slaves! Drag his soul back to your dark masters!” —Argyll Te’Shea, servant of Pelor and malconvoker (Complete Scoundrel, p48) At the same page, you'll find that Pelor encourages the summoning of fiends by non-evil entities. He's obviously masquerading as a good god, in order to corrupt more good souls. Also note: ELH, p119: Unrelated? I think not. (Forgive me for revealing this hideous truth on this board as well.) I think the god's got good intentions at heart. I blame the malevolent overpowers J'ames-Wi'att and M'ike Mc'Ar-Tor for manipulating him, among others.
Witch 04-07-07, 08:48 PM	I think the god's got good intentions at heart. I blame the malevolent overpowers J'ames-Wi'att and M'ike Mc'Ar-Tor for manipulating him, among others. This is exactly what Pelor wants you to think - he wants to play the innocent, the victim, the simple guy, so that noone will ever suspect him. But recently, he has revealed fragments of his true nature. His secretive causing of sunburn, skin cancer and killing insects with magnifying glasses will not remain veiled for much longer. The fact that the Shining Hate has hid this for so long is what makes him brilliant in his lies.
Doom_Linnorm 04-08-07, 03:48 AM	If that's the case, Pelor reminds of Saint Evans from Breath of Fire 2. Basicly throughout the game you persue the origin of all these demons only to find out the the church where you can save you game (though I always saved at the dragon statues) is infact a big fasade for a demonic entity that through this benevolent religion corrupts the souls of millions to feed his slowly regenerating form. The similarity is uncanny..... damn.. I gues that makes him slightly cooler on some fronts... but also slightly lamer on others... posing as a good religion just isn't cool. Hextor is atleast open and honest but his vile-ness.
Khadmus 04-08-07, 06:35 AM	So P3l0r pwns you all. Even though Linnorm denies this, the Brilliance is cool. He is allied with the Maimed Lord, and also with his "enemy", Nerull.
Faithkeep 04-08-07, 02:24 PM	Ah, but we have forgotten that Pelor is a fraud! Pelor, after all, allowed a vampire to suck dry a paladin's family, and then refused to help the paladin on destroying the vampire. (BoED, p188) Also note this quote: “Take him, my slaves! Drag his soul back to your dark masters!” —Argyll Te’Shea, servant of Pelor and malconvoker (Complete Scoundrel, p48) At the same page, you'll find that Pelor encourages the summoning of fiends by non-evil entities. He's obviously masquerading as a good god, in order to corrupt more good souls. Also note: ELH, p119: Unrelated? I think not. (Forgive me for revealing this hideous truth on this board as well.) :eek: :eek: :eek: This is exactly what Pelor wants you to think - he wants to play the innocent, the victim, the simple guy, so that noone will ever suspect him. But recently, he has revealed fragments of his true nature. His secretive causing of sunburn, skin cancer and killing insects with magnifying glasses will not remain veiled for much longer. The fact that the Shining Hate has hid this for so long is what makes him brilliant in his lies. :eek: :eek: :eek: A crusade!!! A crusade!!! Pelor wills it!!! :tantrum:
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-08-07, 02:26 PM	Yes, a crusade to change these heritics from there way of life.
Faithkeep 04-08-07, 02:27 PM	Yes, a crusade to change these heritics from there way of life. Pelor wills it!!! :tantrum: (Kingdom of Heaven... :D )
Witch 04-08-07, 03:24 PM	See? This is exactly Pelor's style. Instead of trying to rationally disprove arguments, he insteads immediately heads off into a crusade in order to silence those who disagree with him. Need I say more?
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-08-07, 11:39 PM	We did not say silence. We said change your ways from the darkness. Now change or be silenced.
Soltares 04-09-07, 01:32 AM	If you *kill* the god, well then, obviously, he's become 'mortal,' retroactively, since, by definition, if he was *immortal,* he wouldn't have died... So smash him with your mace until he stops moving!
AngelDust Anderson 04-09-07, 01:53 AM	See? This is exactly Pelor's style. Instead of trying to rationally disprove arguments, he insteads immediately heads off into a crusade in order to silence those who disagree with him. Need I say more? BURN THE WITCH! Seriously, on topic. The only ways a god could lose their godhood are: Striped by an Overgod, Voluntarily give it up, Loose to many followers (Campaign Setting Specific) or loose it to keep the balance (Paladine and Takharis)
Taeldrin Laesrash 04-09-07, 08:12 PM	On followers and divinity: I believe Planescape (with its 'belief is power' theme) stated several times that gods without followers will die (For example, the Mesopotamian god Enki is canonically deceased; there's also Lathander's previous divine incarnation). I guess the attitude has now changed in 3rd Edition. On a less serious note, I'll hire myself as Pelor's laywer and try to disprove Witch's arguements (Though the Dicefreaks guys seem to be pretty fanatical about their view). Pelor, after all, allowed a vampire to suck dry a paladin's family, and then refused to help the paladin on destroying the vampire. (BoED, p188) Remember what Yoda said: Anger leads to fear, fear leads to hate, hate leads to suffering, and suffering leads to the Dark Side. I recall reading that passage; the paladin seemed really anxious to kick that vampire's teeth in. “Take him, my slaves! Drag his soul back to your dark masters!” —Argyll Te’Shea, servant of Pelor and malconvoker (Complete Scoundrel, p48) Taken out of context, I say! The Malconvoker is a silly concept usuable by all deties and people without reason. I deem this as the result of poor PR. Also note: ELH, p119: 84- The Lord High Priest of Pelor denounces her Deity and faith (...) 90-The secret texts of a prominent religion, recently discovered, call into question the church's real goal, its actual origin, and the agenda of its god. Unrelated? I think not. Clearly, there is no easily discernible link. There are far more suspicious deities amok: For example, Erythnul has had no real identity as a god, being identical to many demon lords. We suspect him of becoming a god as a major publicity stunt.
Witch 04-09-07, 08:18 PM	Taken out of context, I say! The Malconvoker is a silly concept usuable by all deties and people without reason. I deem this as the result of poor PR. Yet obviously, Hated Pelor is associated even more with them - unlike other deities, whom we know little about in specific, it is clear to us that Pelor condones the behavior. Remember what Yoda said: Anger leads to fear, fear leads to hate, hate leads to suffering, and suffering leads to the Dark Side. I recall reading that passage; the paladin seemed really anxious to kick that vampire's teeth in. Which is precisely why the Shining Hatred should have done it himself, instead of doing nothing, in which case the paladin will crack and fall. Pelor obviously enjoys seeing a servant of good suffer and abandon his principles. On a less serious note, I'll hire myself as Pelor's laywer and try to disprove Witch's arguements (Though the Dicefreaks guys seem to be pretty fanatical about their view). We wish to warn everyone of this grave threat to their Pelor-worshipping characters.
Singer_of_the_Song 04-09-07, 09:12 PM	Wake up a Hecatoncheires. Maybe that will scare the god into mortality.
Faithkeep 04-09-07, 11:58 PM	On a less serious note, I'll hire myself as Pelor's laywer and try to disprove Witch's arguements (Though the Dicefreaks guys seem to be pretty fanatical about their view). Cookie! :cookie: :w00t:
LeuktheSavior 04-10-07, 06:33 AM	Pelor is a schmuk. I've always wanted to say that. Gods gain their powers because they have followers who have faith in them, or their intangible ideal. Death is intangible, Death is an idea and a philsophy. If a god is a god of death, and people have faith in his Philosophy, he gains power because his philosophy is part of the general consensus of reality. If a god governs a part of reality because the majority of people believe in it, that is their source of power. For a god to lose their divinity, that intangible concept they are tied with must be assoicated with something else (another god, perhaps) or their intangible concept dies off and is forgotten. Now, in all my campaigns I have an overdeity named Leuk, or the Iron Priest, and he is essentially in charge of the why behind everything. Fate, Kismet, whatever you call it, he is its representation, the physical manisfestation of the wheel, Ka, destiny, God's Will, etc. etc. etc. Those abstract things that philosophers ponder and people speculate over and kill each other over, is essentially what Leuk derives his power over. If you believe in a god, you believe in Leuk. God's dont worship Leuk, but they pay homage because he was there first, or at least his underlying concept was, the only true absolute thing in existence. but nobody likes an omnipotent being with no flair or character, so Leuk is actualy 7/10 times a comic relief of sorts, coming to the players in his favored appearances of the Masked Iron Priest, toting along the Unwritten (his book), or a big, onery buzzard. humor aside, Leuk has the capability to sever God's of their power. Its a violently swift, debilitatingly painful process for the god, and it usually messes up alot of stuff on the material plane. If, for instance, Leuk felt like snuffing Pelor out, the repercussions would be disgusting. I havent really sat down to think about it, because the only god he snuffed out in any of the stories were some intermediary gods that shared portfolios with stronger gods, so their importance to the conceptual design of the multiverse wasnt that imperative. But, If someone like Pelor got his divine powers stripped of him, I imagine that the sun would probably just go out temporarily, at least until the power vacuum was filled up.
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-10-07, 04:32 PM	I too would like to be Pelor's lawyer, and will start with my Chewbacca defense: Why would Chewbacca, a 7 ft tall wookie ive with 3 foot tall Ewoks. It doesn't make sense.
Tectorman 04-10-07, 04:43 PM	Hi, I'm the guy who recently started the Mortal to Deity thread (you know, the one that this thread is insulting). I am not here to say it's offensive or anything along those lines (whether it is or not, I'd be a hypocrite to raise Cain over that issue). I will, however, say that I honestly didn't see the point of doing that (it wasn't funny, it didn't seem to reinforce any points made in the original post). Just throwing that out there.
Phantom Llama 04-10-07, 06:16 PM	This thread isn't insulting anything. It's just playing off an existing thread title to create its own.
Rickiel 04-10-07, 06:32 PM	I'm certain that this thread was not meant to insult your own thread Tectorman, especially since you would hardly be the first one to have a thread that asked about mortals becoming deities. The flip side of the coin is only briefly spoken of and thus I believe that Doom Linnorm's thread is entirely reasonable. The catch line that, "Mortal to Deity? Boring!" simply implies that the topic of mortal transcendence has become too common-place and he wanted to discuss it's opposing number. And on that repeated note, I think that if ANYONE has a chance of becoming mortal, it's Erythnul. That schizo needs a time out!
Tequila_Sunrise 04-10-07, 08:02 PM	A god loses some kind of game in which the penalty is mortality. A god is cursed by a group of gods, a group of mortals or an overgod to suffer mortality for a certain amount of time or until he/she accomplishes some task.
Arturius1 04-11-07, 12:03 AM	Lets take a look on the flipside. How does a deity suddenly turn mortal? How many ways can a deity be stripped of his devine power? The thread kind of got off-topic (presuming it had serious intentions in the first place). You could always pull a Kratos: pouring your divinity into an item and be deprived of it. A god might also give up their divinity for some great reason, like pursuing a mate or saving the multiverse.
Doom_Linnorm 04-11-07, 04:56 AM	I too would like to be Pelor's lawyer, and will start with my? Chewbacca defense: Why would Chewbacca, a 8 ft tall wookie live with 2 foot tall Ewoks. It does not make sense. That southpark episode is brilliant. For the reference, the link below will explain, its a short fragment from that very episode, it is comedy gold. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU-tZy3NIS4 Also thank you Arturius for you suggestions. And as usual Raz has both sensible and funny things to say, congrats. Also I did not mean to insult your thread, it was just a spinoff, infact you should consider it a compliment that your thread inspired me to actualy stop and think of something like this.
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-12-07, 12:17 AM	It doesn't make sense!
Rickiel 04-12-07, 12:41 AM	What doesn't make sense :confused:
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-12-07, 12:44 AM	Chewbacca!
Rickiel 04-12-07, 12:47 AM	Well when you put it that way, it may not make sense at first... But take this into consideration. Chewbacca, is fuzzy and tall. Ewoks are fuzzy and short. Correlation, they are both fuzzy and speak funny. Thus: Chewbacca is their deity who has descended from the heavens to lead the ewoks! It was just a mistake when C-3PO ended up being useful.
Doom_Linnorm 04-12-07, 03:16 AM	We've found the awnser!!! may we burn her?! Whoops, wrong movie quote.
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-12-07, 04:10 PM	YES! I helped derail a thread!
Doom_Linnorm 04-14-07, 10:13 AM	Derailing a thread is a chaptic neutral or chaotic evil act, it is not a way a worshipper of Pelor should act. Shame on you for casting aside the teaching of the radiant one! (What I would say if I was a Pelor worshipper.) Good job, you should do that more often. (What I truthfully support from a CN perspective.) Not bad, but it could have been more manipulative and less pointless... gratz on the reference of the american court system. (What I would say if I was a Tiamat worshipper.)
Rickiel 04-14-07, 12:12 PM	gah! wrong thread!
turalisj 04-14-07, 11:41 PM	Define "Ultra Deity" please. Becouse if I look at say... the Greek Pantheon. Zeus is the king of the gods, but he isn't so powerfull that he could strip the power from his sons/daughters/brothers/wife/sister etc. (That family is sooooooo messed up.) (Don't take this to seriously) How could a Pelorite love red dragons?!?! (Even if he is a DM, which by the way is an evil act... yes DMing is evil.) (I'm a DM aswell btw.) Why aren't you a Tiamat worshipper?! Actualy, there is a whole list of dieties older and more powerfull than Zeus. Such as the Primordial dieties (Chaos, Ophion, etc), who existed long before even the titans.
Prak, the Mad 04-17-07, 01:00 AM	If a god dies and you bring it back to life (via Raise Dead), does it retain its divine status? actually, make that a wish and a lot of XP... most deities are outsiders and thus cannot be raised through the usual spells. The only deities that can work on, as far as I know, are Bahamut, Tiamat and Apep.
CONMAN2469 04-17-07, 05:06 PM	A diety has the ability to "give" his divine rank to a mortal (or a rat), so all you need is an epic Bard who can charm gods to bestow their divine rank to a bunch of lower beings. Essentially making him mortal. Am I right? Did I win? What do I win?
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-17-07, 05:17 PM	You win the shining graces of Pelor!
DoveArrow 04-17-07, 07:04 PM	One idea I had for a Player Character actually involved this concept. The character is all that remains of the former God of Melancholy; a deity who lost his divine status when all of his followers committed suicide. Now, either through some fluke of magic, or by the aid of some arcane ritual, a sliver of the deity's personality has returned as a 1st level character. He is now going through the unenviable process of working his way back up to divine status in order to spread melancholy across the world again. I also imagine the character talking like Marvin the Robot. Thoughts?
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-17-07, 07:50 PM	Well, your character probably won't survive long. I wouldn't really care about a person who is constantly depressed, mortal or god.
DoveArrow 04-18-07, 12:07 PM	Well, your character probably won't survive long. I wouldn't really care about a person who is constantly depressed, mortal or god. True. Still, I thought it was a funny idea.
setekh 04-18-07, 05:46 PM	Define "Ultra Deity" please. Becouse if I look at say... the Greek Pantheon. Zeus is the king of the gods, but he isn't so powerfull that he could strip the power from his sons/daughters/brothers/wife/sister etc. (That family is sooooooo messed up.) (Don't take this to seriously) How could a Pelorite love red dragons?!?! (Even if he is a DM, which by the way is an evil act... yes DMing is evil.) (I'm a DM aswell btw.) Why aren't you a Tiamat worshipper?! Greek Pantheon I'd imagine the Elder Titans had the Power (Gaea deffinetly, maybe Ouranos and Okeanos as well -although I don't now there D&D names)
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 04-19-07, 12:03 AM	True. Still, I thought it was a funny idea. Don't get me wrong, it is interesting,but I think you could do better.
Slayer_5 04-19-07, 04:23 AM	http://www.w3bdevil.com/forums/Needs-More-Wookie.jpg