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sciborg2 02-17-07, 12:28 AM	sports teams? (or any nonviolent competitions between alignments) hip-hop? (any music we might describe as subversive/revolutionary...not that rap is like that now...) movies? (after all, they could have better special effects)
Dastari 02-17-07, 12:42 AM	sports teams? (or any nonviolent competitions between alignments) hip-hop? (any music we might describe as subversive/revolutionary...not that rap is like that now...) movies? (after all, they could have better special effects) I'm a little confused of what you're asking for. Are you asking what planes remind us of certain sports teams or to make planes around certain sport teams, music forms, and movies?
Millenia 02-17-07, 12:49 AM	For sports teams... all I can think of are the "Hell Hounds"... ^^;;
ripvanwormer 02-17-07, 12:54 AM	sports teams? (or any nonviolent competitions between alignments) Archons and eladrins used to play soccer, but the eladrins couldn't seem to grasp the concept of not touching the ball with their hands. Or they did grasp the concept, and just didn't like it. Archons, modrons, formians, inevitables, buseni, maugs, and baatezu, on the other hand, play soccer regularly. Also, the occasional game of Quiddich. Asuras, eladrins, slaadi, and tanar'ri occasionally meet to play a kind of rugby with absolutely no rules. Actually, it's more like bloody warfare, but they call it rugby. It's nonviolent among the good and neutral races, usually ending when everyone gets tired and never having a clear victor. The tanar'ri show up when they feel like it, and then it usually stops being what anyone could charitably call a game. Rilmani, yugoloths, quesars, hordlings, diakkas, angels, concordant killers, and guardinals can play in either the lawful or chaotic leagues, but the lawful and chaotic leagues never play with one another anymore. The contrast between "let's set up a clear set of rules so that we know who wins" and "it doesn't matter if you win or lose, as long as everyone has fun - or someone dies, whichever happens first" is too great. hip-hop? (any music we might describe as subversive/revolutionary...not that rap is like that now...) Lawful children dismay their parents by listening to discordant, arrhythmic sounds. Chaotic children rebel by listening to harmonious chords and predictable beats. movies? (after all, they could have better special effects) Recorder stones!
Rickiel 02-17-07, 02:00 AM	In Sigil, we liked to play a lil game that might be considered 'stick ball'. Of course there were only three bases, the rules changed regularly from faction to faction, and the bases were situated on a ring (not a diamond). The Hardheads didn't like it when I knocked the ball into their lil ole prisoner cart.
sciborg2 02-17-07, 03:27 AM	I'm a little confused of what you're asking for. Pretty much what the two above posters said. Rickiel, what are the rules per faction? Very curious... The contrast between "let's set up a clear set of rules so that we know who wins" and "it doesn't matter if you win or lose, as long as everyone has fun - or someone dies, whichever happens first" is too great. Hmmm...I almost feel there is a connection between this and infinite vs finite games, but not sure...("infinite games are about continuing the game" vs "finite games are about winning") Lawful children dismay their parents by listening to discordant, arrhythmic sounds. Chaotic children rebel by listening to harmonious chords and predictable beats. :D Recorder stones! But these are real experiences. I was thinking of it this way -- sometimes we enjoy violence/sex/etc vicariously through fiction. We watch things we'd never do, and in some cases this distance from reality makes it bearable, even enjoyable. (a tame example is all the cool ways the villains died in Die Hard 1-3) Surely the planars of Sigil and other areas would enjoy this is well? After all, their lives in some sense are as hapless and random as ours and a dose of good fiction and the recognizable order it brings must be healthy right?
ripvanwormer 02-17-07, 03:48 AM	Surely the planars of Sigil and other areas would enjoy this is well? After all, their lives in some sense are as hapless and random as ours and a dose of good fiction and the recognizable order it brings must be healthy right? There's a place in Sylvania, kind of a virtual reality bar using illusion magic, that lets you experience life as a deity. It's popular among Signers, Sensates, and Godsmen. Other sports in the planes include Githzerai Transformation Tag (transforming the raw soup into places to hide-and-go-seek in, helping to train young githzerai in chaos-shaping) and Bariaur Portal Polo.
The Venerable Archmage 02-17-07, 04:05 AM	Could you modify the experiences in a recorder stone to make them more like a work of fiction than a true experience? Perhaps there are professional misremembrancers, who make a living from acting out scenes for these stories, then having modify memory cast on themselves, and the resultant special effects laden stories recorded. I imagine some of the sensate might be a bit snotty about these fake memories for not being real experiences, although most are less uptight, and would just enjoy them.
Bob the Efreet 02-17-07, 02:11 PM	Archons, modrons, formians, inevitables, buseni, maugs, and baatezu, on the other hand, play soccer regularly. Also, the occasional game of Quiddich. Oh, so that's what my maug figure (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/BW_Gallery/26.jpg) is doing. I've been trying to figure that out since October.
PunkRockBard 02-18-07, 12:09 AM	Hip-hop is big in the Outer Planes, but is especially loved by the Dao. They got some major bling. Demons, Devils, and Yugoloths have their own favorite Nine Inch Nails song. Demons like "Head Like a Hole"...Devils prefer "Happiness in Slavery"....Yugoloths' fav is "Hurt". Eladrin love Kate Bush, almost too much. All their cds are totally worn out. Modrons, in their own way, love classical music. Slaad, in their own way, love it also. Any song that encourages the greater good is good enough for Archons. Guardinals love Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Bruce Springsteen, and other folk heroes. The Five Companion secretly own a Martika CD. They fight over it.
navar100 02-19-07, 03:05 AM	We all know the gods love to bowl.
Bob the Efreet 02-19-07, 03:29 AM	Demons, Devils, and Yugoloths have their own favorite Nine Inch Nails song. Demons like "Head Like a Hole"...Devils prefer "Happiness in Slavery"....Yugoloths' fav is "Hurt". There's a radical movement among some arcanaloths to espouse "Sin" as their favourite NIN song. Proponents claim that acceptance of this song as the best one leads to faster promotion to an ultroloth. Chant is that one actually succeeded, although nobody seems to be able to come up with this 'fast' ultroloth.
PunkRockBard 02-19-07, 05:04 PM	Yes Bob the Efreet... Instead of opal eyes and blank faces, the newly formed ultraloths get stringy black hair, pale skin, and their flesh turns into black leather and buckles (!@!@!!)
sciborg2 02-19-07, 05:11 PM	Hip-hop is big in the Outer Planes, but is especially loved by the Dao. They got some major bling. I would say this is a sad but accurate commentary on the state of affairs of the genre.:weep:
Wyvern76 02-20-07, 06:16 PM	hip-hop? (any music we might describe as subversive/revolutionary...not that rap is like that now...)Before hip-hop there was rock & roll... before rock & roll there was jazz... before jazz there was...? (Did you know that Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" caused a riot the first time it was performed in concert?) But these are real experiences. I was thinking of it this way -- sometimes we enjoy violence/sex/etc vicariously through fiction. We watch things we'd never do, and in some cases this distance from reality makes it bearable, even enjoyable. (a tame example is all the cool ways the villains died in Die Hard 1-3) Surely the planars of Sigil and other areas would enjoy this is well? After all, their lives in some sense are as hapless and random as ours and a dose of good fiction and the recognizable order it brings must be healthy right?I think you're looking at this from the wrong end. Instead of asking "What would be the planar equivalent of these modern forms of entertainment?" think about what the real-life predecessors to those entertainments were, and then consider how those predecessors could be altered with the use of magic. Watch Jim Henson's "Storyteller" and imagine a bard using illusion magic to "bring his stories to life" -- and a clever wizard creating a magic item similar to a music box, which performs the same function. Watch "A Knight's Tale" and imagine jousting tournaments between angels and demons. Watch Disney's "Hunchback of Notre Dame" and fast-forward to the song "Topsy Turvy", paying special attention to the lyrics -- then read up on the tradition of Carnival (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival). Asuras, eladrins, slaadi, and tanar'ri occasionally meet to play a kind of rugby with absolutely no rules. Actually, it's more like bloody warfare, but they call it rugby.I once played a game of water polo with no rules. It was called "murderball". In Sigil, we liked to play a lil game that might be considered 'stick ball'. Of course there were only three bases, the rules changed regularly from faction to faction, and the bases were situated on a ring (not a diamond).See also rounders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounders). Modrons, in their own way, love classical music. Slaad, in their own way, love it also.I bet slaad would love "Rite of Spring". Wyvern
aushlo 02-22-07, 01:26 PM	On the streets of Sigil, I use Cat Ball as a Hive ward goblin sport-the ball is made of whatever animal hides they can find, often cats (partially because goblins there often eat them). Originally it was Headbone, but eventually the powers that be took exception to the different goblin gangs using rivals' severed heads as soccer balls. More or less like Brazilian street soccer. Also, Dwarves and Goblins primarily compete at Gut-Barging (google it) in the Lower Ward. The current Worlds Gut-Barging Champion is "Mad Maurice", a dwarf Reaping Mauler. The goblin organizers are confident that their own champion, Grool (at nearly five feet tall and reputedly weighing at least 300 pounds, rumored to be half-nalfeshnee), will end Maurice's five-year winning streak. The sport was opened to the Gobs by order of the Guvners, who saw it as a way to keep open bloodshed in check while still allowing the traditional enemies to pound the tar out of each other (the fans are rabid, think rugby). Planar Gypsies play eerie and captivating traditional tunes (along the lines of klezmer) to huge crowds in the Market Ward, and especially the Great Bazaar. They're supposed to have pretty srong ties to the Free League and word has it the Revolutionary league. They're songs of loss and displacement, but also of pride and resistance. The Hardheads would like to see them shut down (not least because the Gypsy children are rumored to be superb pickpockets, but it's not exactly the safest place to make a move. I know it's all Sigil stuff, but maybe it'll be of some use.
JoAT 02-22-07, 01:47 PM	Modrons, in their own way, love classical music. Written, of course, and never played. The musical notations contain the pure, undiluted notes - sweaty people beating on skins, filling copper tubes with spittle and scraping catgut would just be disgusting, and the errors and changes from each performance to the next would ruin the whole thing.
Doom_Linnorm 02-22-07, 02:52 PM	Don't Modrons use special sound recording devices (Wonderous item that involves a Ghost Sound spell) to make sure it always sounds with the same perfection? It produces a pure musical melody based on the written music used, the instrument ofcourse is a xylophone. I also remember quite clearly that Slaadi enjoy good games of Casperball.:cool: (better known as Calvinball.. he's called Casper in the dutch version (which admittedly is less funny (Though only very very very very very very slightly, cus its hard to make Calvin less funny)) (If you do not get this reference you have never read some of the best comic books in existance.):P
ripvanwormer 02-22-07, 08:20 PM	Casperball sounds a lot like Calvinball (http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/2990/cb_rules.htm).
Doom_Linnorm 02-23-07, 03:11 AM	Sorry mixed up english and dutch names. Seems I missed out a few rules aswell, ah well... its been to long since I read them I gues. *Hurries of to his bookcase, hilarity ensues.*
Flame_Drake 02-23-07, 03:35 PM	Asuras, eladrins, slaadi, and tanar'ri occasionally meet to play a kind of rugby with absolutely no rules. Actually, it's more like bloody warfare, but they call it rugby. It's nonviolent among the good and neutral races, usually ending when everyone gets tired and never having a clear victor. The tanar'ri show up when they feel like it, and then it usually stops being what anyone could charitably call a game. Sooo.... Aussie rules then? :D Drake
Fabius Maximus 02-23-07, 05:31 PM	Written, of course, and never played. The musical notations contain the pure, undiluted notes - sweaty people beating on skins, filling copper tubes with spittle and scraping catgut would just be disgusting, and the errors and changes from each performance to the next would ruin the whole thing. I knew Vetinari wasn't human.
PunkRockBard 02-23-07, 11:07 PM	I forgot the Rilmani! They love ambient music. Brian Eno...select Aphex Twin works.
Wyvern76 02-24-07, 11:45 PM	Edit: Surprisingly there are rules to casperball, but the Slaadi can live with these. 1: Other then rule 1 and 2, players are supposed to constantly add, remove, change or break rules. 2: Casperball may never be played the same way more then once. The game usualy involves a ball.Heh. The first rule (http://metaphilm.com/philm.php?id=29_0_2_0) of Calvinball is... Wyvern
primemover003 02-25-07, 09:00 AM	Well I would imagine that Kesto Brighteyes daily spiel would almost be considered movies... if you like anti-religious propaganda films. I'm sure Harys Hatchis regular uses illusions to promote new events and products in the city, so we've at least got commercials if not movies!
Singer_of_the_Song 02-25-07, 10:14 PM	The Slaad play Calvinball. I hope at least someone gets this.
ripvanwormer 02-26-07, 12:04 AM	The Slaad play Calvinball. I hope at least someone gets this. I'm willing to bet the authors of posts 18, 19, and 24 in this thread do.
Singer_of_the_Song 02-26-07, 12:10 AM	Foolish me failing to read the thread from the beginning...
Shemeska the Marauder 02-27-07, 12:50 AM	I had a xaositect tiefling have far too much fun with oil of slippery'ness: Bowling for Hardheads I think she called it. And then there was the lego set that Yrsinius the Younger plays with. Except the legos scream, and they're not legos, they're pieces of petitioners. Not a pleasant fellow. But that's not exactly a sport now is it.