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Nilbog 06-10-07, 02:17 PM	We have the Greek pantheon in D&DG. But what about the Roman pantheon? The 'Olympian' gods should be similar to their Greek counterparts, with the following changes: Zeus/Jupiter = Alignment NG, replace Chaos domain with War domain Aphrodite/Venus = Alignment NG, replace Chaos domain with Protection domain, add Growth to portfolio. Venus covered many more aspects of life than Aphrodite, being associated with growth and success. Ares/Mars = Alignment CN, replace Evil domain with Plant domain. Mars was associated with agriculture (in fact, he was probably originally an agricultural deity). Hera/Juno = replace Trickery domain with Strength domain. (Juno was much more a proper queen than the capricious Hera.) Hestia/Vesta = Should probably be an Intermediate Deity (add 2 divine ranks and 3 SDAs - Energy Burst (fire), Gift of Life, Master Crafter. (Much more important than Greek Hestia). The more interesting thing to do are the vast numbers of numina - minor deities. It's difficult to imagine a campaign with literally thousands of quasi-deities and demi-gods. So, I'd say that in a Roman setting, Fey and Outsiders represent numina. (Nymphs were considered minor deities, for example.) Actual divine ranks are reserved for those deities who have an influence over a significant portfolio over a significant area. In a Roman setting, divine ascension should be possible, and not particularly rare. Many rulers have achieved DvR 0, and a few mighty heroes have reached demigod status. What do you think?
JollyRotten 06-10-07, 10:27 PM	Heres a list of some of there Gods I did a while back, and yes divine Emporers should be added as they make Great Villians http://worldsofimagination.com/twenty%20worlds%20atlantis%20patheons%20 practorian.htm
ElberethSilverleaf 06-10-07, 10:32 PM	A divine emperor can also be an adored father figure. (protector of the empire)
bayke 06-10-07, 10:39 PM	Ares/Mars = Alignment CN, replace Evil domain with Plant domain. Mars was associated with agriculture (in fact, he was probably originally an agricultural deity). I would say Mars would actually be more LN. BTW, it's a great idea. I believe an old series of Dragon Magazine did give stats for the Roman gods, including the deified emporers. Sometime in the early 80s.
Kursk 06-11-07, 04:33 PM	The 'Olympian' gods should be similar to their Greek counterparts, with the following changes: The "Olympian" gods ARE the Greek gods. Mt. Olympus (in Greece) is where they lived. The "Roman" gods were translated copies. Not really separate, just "ripped off" from the Greeks.
Wolfvyn 06-11-07, 04:55 PM	I wouldn't say that they were ripped off from the greeks. They adopted the same patheon. Just because someone decides to take up your faith doesn't mean that they are ripping you off, but even if you were to accept the notion that the Romans ripped off the Greek gods. You still would have several not accounted for. Like Janus for example. Who was a major god for the romans, after the adopted him from their neighbors the Etruchians when they conquered them.
Kursk 06-11-07, 05:05 PM	I wouldn't say that they were ripped off from the greeks. They adopted the same patheon. Just because someone decides to take up your faith doesn't mean that they are ripping you off, but even if you were to accept the notion that the Romans ripped off the Greek gods. You still would have several not accounted for. Like Janus for example. Who was a major god for the romans, after the adopted him from their neighbors the Etruchians when they conquered them. Ripped off, borrowed, adopted; "a rose by any other name." Oh, I forgot, they "borrowed" from others also. :D
Pitiless_Interfector 06-11-07, 05:56 PM	Ripped off, borrowed, adopted; "a rose by any other name." Oh, I forgot, they "borrowed" from others also. :D The Romans placed considerably less stock in the Greco-Roman deities than in local and household gods. All family residences had a shrine to the family gods (the lares) called a lararium, located in the corner of the main entrance hall (the atrium). These household gods were the spirits of revered ancestors, and watched over the family and the household. These 'personal' gods often had a much larger influence on life than the gods of the emperors and the festivals. Some other uniquely Roman gods included Silvanus, god of the forests (from whom we get terms such as sylvan and the name Sylvester), and Cloaca, god of the sewers (from whom the biological term for the urodefecatory flap--common to frogs, birds, and platypuses--derives). The Romans were originally an agricultural society. Their gods shared many elements with the Greek gods, and when they conquered them in the 200s-100s B.C.E. the Romans adopted many elements and ascribed them to their own gods. In fact, most of the great intellectual achievements of Rome were with the help of the Greeks; hence the phrase "Romani est Graecior quam Graeci." [The Romans are more Greek than the Greeks.]
Kursk 06-11-07, 06:02 PM	The Romans placed considerably less stock in the Greco-Roman deities than in local and household gods. If you read Ovid this shows in his writings.
PunkRockBard 06-12-07, 12:17 AM	Nonetheless...i think it is a very good idea to give the Roman Gods their own stats and flavor....just offer a point of view different from the chaotic, freewheeling greek gods. go for it!
ripvanwormer 06-12-07, 02:02 AM	Previous thread on the subject: Titans and Roman Gods-- A great many contributions here by Michel Andre. You'll have to wade through a great many titans to get to the Roman pantheon info, though. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=320234)
sciborg2 06-14-07, 04:40 AM	i was wondering where that went. :D
Hellsbells 06-14-07, 09:19 AM	What about the titan gods? I dont think thats been done in an official source yet. Kronos, Gaia, Uranus, Prometheus, Oceanus, etc. could someone stat them?
michel andre 06-15-07, 11:01 AM	What about the titan gods? I dont think thats been done in an official source yet. Kronos, Gaia, Uranus, Prometheus, Oceanus, etc. could someone stat them? Dicefreaks has some Titans stated. I, personally, do not agree with their interpretations. Check the Gods and Cosmic Entities section.
Flintlockhandmedown 06-15-07, 11:49 AM	Hey guys you know the Hecatoncheires from the ELH? It's actually from greek mythology. They're three giants who are the offspring of Gaia and Uranus. They were actually stronger than the titans and helped the normal Greek pantheon overthrow them.
Kursk 06-15-07, 12:17 PM	Hey guys you know the Hecatoncheires from the ELH? It's actually from greek mythology. They're three giants who are the offspring of Gaia and Uranus. They were actually stronger than the titans and helped the normal Greek pantheon overthrow them. Hecatoncheires means hundred handed one I believe...
Adrez Nesnsid 06-15-07, 06:55 PM	Here's a link to a potentially relevant thread: Eris/Discordia (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=116669) It has a lot about the ancient greco/roman goddess of disorder and petty bickering (who actually still has a small group of followers who focus primarily on the disorder aspect) ------------------------------------------------------------------ On a different note, what would Caligula's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caligula) stats be, (if we assume his grandiose claims to divinity to have been correct). And What would his horse's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitatus) stats be?
Nilbog 06-16-07, 06:09 PM	He had some military experience in his youth, but nothing spectacular or unusual. So, I'll make him a 2nd-level fighter. Using the elite array: Caligula: Medium humanoid, human male quasi-deity (DvR 0) Ftr2. AL CE; HD 2d10+2 (22 hp); Init +4; Spd 60 ft.; AC 15 (+4 chain shirt, +1 small shield); BaB/Grp +2/+4; Atk/Full Atk shortsword +4 melee (1d6+2); Sp/R 5 ft./5 ft.; SQ immortality, immunities; SV Fort +4, Ref +0, Will +0; Str 15, Con 13, Dex 10, Int 11, Wis 9, Cha 12. Skills and Feats: Bluff +3, Intimidate +5, Listen +1, Spot +6. Alertness, Improved Initiative, Persuasive, Weapon Focus (longsword) Incitatus: Heavy horse; hp 30; see Monster Manual. (I gave the horse maximum hit points.) ---- As for the Titans: Personally, I'd make the top 2 (Cronus & Rhea) Elder Titans from the ELH with 0 to 5 divine ranks. All the others in the original generation would be DvR 0 or 1 Titans, advanced 20 or more Hit Dice. Their children would be basic Titans.
Nilbog 06-16-07, 06:15 PM	More deified emperors (well, Julius wasn't technically an emperor...) Julius Caesar: Human male Fighter 12; HD 12d10; hp 120; Init +4; Spd 60 ft.; AC 17 (+5 +1 chain shirt, +2 +1 small shield), touch 10, flat-footed 17; BAB/Grp +12/+15; Atk +1 longsword +17 melee (1d8+6/19-20); Full Atk +1 longsword +17/+12/+7 melee (1d8+6/19-20); Space/Reach 5 ft./5 ft.; SQ immortality, immunities; SV Fort +10, Ref +4, Will +3; Str 16, Dex 11, Con 10, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 14. Skills and Feats: Climb +13, Jump +13, Swim +13. Feats: Blind-Fight, Cleave, Combat Expertise, Combat Reflexes, Deflect Arrows, Dodge, Great Cleave, Improved Initiative, Improved Unarmed Strike, Manyshot, Mobility, Weapon Focus (longsword), Weapon Specialization (longsword). Equipment: +1 longsword, +1 chain shirt, +1 small shield.
ArcTan 06-16-07, 06:44 PM	The "Olympian" gods ARE the Greek gods. Mt. Olympus (in Greece) is where they lived. The "Roman" gods were translated copies. Not really separate, just "ripped off" from the Greeks. Incorrect. All the Roman gods existed before the Greek gods. However, the Romans, who lacked the Greeks' interest in storytelling and mythology, saw the gods more as ritualized symbols of worship than characters in myth. They gave most of their gods the same stories attributed to them that the Greeks did when they took over Greek culture (so that when they heard a story about Zeus misbehaving himself they reattributed it to Jupiter), so most of the listed characteristics of the gods as *characters in myths* are the same between Greece and Rome. However, the gods were worshipped for a long time before Rome conquered Greece, and they kept their old personalities even after the new stories were brought in, at least in worship (later Roman writers, who were rapidly losing their respect for the gods, actually exaggerated a lot of the human foibles and failings the Greeks had given them). Mars is a positive and much revered deity, unlike the hated Greek Ares. Saturn is a highly beloved deity of joy and the golden age, while the Greek Cronus is a solely negative figure seen as an enemy of the gods. Etc.
ArcTan 06-16-07, 06:48 PM	Ripped off, borrowed, adopted; "a rose by any other name." Oh, I forgot, they "borrowed" from others also. :D Mars isn't "borrowed" from anything. Making Mars the same as Ares involves "borrowing" from the Greeks, but they also made Mars the same as many other native deities of various conquered countries -- that doesn't mean Mars was "ripped off" from those deities, it means the Romans took their *preexisting* deity and identified him with existing ones. Mars was, for instance, identified as being the same as the god Tyr by various Roman subjects in northern Europe, which is why in English we call the third day of the week "Tuesday" after Tyr while Romance languages name that day after Mars (Spanish "martes", French "mardi"). If you asked a Roman subject in the Norse lands or a Roman citizen who'd been stationed in the Norse lands they'd agree that the story of Tyr having his hand bitten off by the Fenris-wolf was a story "about Mars", although they might say it was a story about the "northmen's Mars" or a "northern story about Mars". None of that changes the fact that *before* they were conflated, both Tyr and Mars existed as distinct deities from distinct cultures.
ElberethSilverleaf 06-16-07, 09:49 PM	Don't forget Mithras, god of the morning and light, called Sol Invictus. His worship began about 4000 years ago in Persia. In the Roman empire he was a god of soldiers and merchants. His cult was a major rival of the Christian cult when it showed up on the scene. http://www.allinfoaboutmyths.com/mithras.html Isis was also a major god for the Romans after their acquisition of Egypt as a client state. She was seen as a fertility and earth goddess. Another goddess was Cybele, imported from Turkey in about 200 B.C.E., where she was considered the mother of the gods. Her worship, which included wild frenzied celebrations, shocked the sensibilities of the Roman establishment. Another thing that caused controversy was that to become a priest of Cybele, one had to castrate himself. She eventually became an officially sanctioned national goddess but by the time of Claudius the practice of castration was outlawed. (it still occured though)
Kursk 06-19-07, 03:55 PM	Incorrect. ...They gave most of their gods the same stories attributed to them that the Greeks did when they took over Greek culture (so that when they heard a story about Zeus misbehaving himself they reattributed it to Jupiter), so most of the listed characteristics of the gods as *characters in myths* are the same between Greece and Rome. Yes, like I said they ripped them off.
ArcTan 06-20-07, 06:25 AM	Yes, like I said they ripped them off. Only in the mythology. Mars has tons of rites and concepts associated with him that existed long before he "became" Ares.
Mindolin 06-20-07, 12:17 PM	You most likely won't agree with it, but Chronus is stated in the latest Dragon magazine, as a titan with 20 levels of barbarian and 10 levels of Legendary Dreadnought.
Skeptical Clown 06-20-07, 01:15 PM	"Ripping off" isn't really a term that has much meaning for ancient religion. It was completely normal for people who encountered different religious beliefs to incorporate and adapt them for their own usage. The Romans wouldn't have seen Zeus and Jupiter as two distinct beings, but as two different ways of looking at the same being. Had they encountered Indra, they would have believed the same of him. That's how polytheism works; when there isn't a singular god, then there's no problem with just adding more gods. If two gods are similar, it's easy to conflate them. And if one god has too many different concepts associated with them, it's also not a problem for them to be split into different entities. It wasn't until monotheism started catching on that heresy or differences of religious belief became significant problems for people. The Romans cared that people went through the motions of ritual and worship, because it represented loyalty to Rome. But there was nothing inherently wrong with new types of religious beings and worship popping up.
Erato 06-20-07, 06:54 PM	More deified emperors (well, Julius wasn't technically an emperor...) Julius Caesar: Human male Fighter 12; HD 12d10; hp 120; Init +4; Spd 60 ft.; AC 17 (+5 +1 chain shirt, +2 +1 small shield), touch 10, flat-footed 17; BAB/Grp +12/+15; Atk +1 longsword +17 melee (1d8+6/19-20); Full Atk +1 longsword +17/+12/+7 melee (1d8+6/19-20); Space/Reach 5 ft./5 ft.; SQ immortality, immunities; SV Fort +10, Ref +4, Will +3; Str 16, Dex 11, Con 10, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 14. Skills and Feats: Climb +13, Jump +13, Swim +13. Feats: Blind-Fight, Cleave, Combat Expertise, Combat Reflexes, Deflect Arrows, Dodge, Great Cleave, Improved Initiative, Improved Unarmed Strike, Manyshot, Mobility, Weapon Focus (longsword), Weapon Specialization (longsword). Equipment: +1 longsword, +1 chain shirt, +1 small shield. Hmm. I would have believed him to be smarter than that, but maybe it's just me.
ArcTan 06-21-07, 01:24 AM	You most likely won't agree with it, but Chronus is stated in the latest Dragon magazine, as a titan with 20 levels of barbarian and 10 levels of Legendary Dreadnought. Did he have Divine Rank? I don't really care about the other stuff -- Cronus wasn't that well-written-out a character in Greek myth anyway -- but a view of the Titans that makes them just the D&D monster "Titan" (i.e. an extraplanar Chaotic Giant) rather than beings akin to the gods and potentially greater than they does the whole concept no justice. By the way, Cronus is a Greek deity (or mythological character), not Roman. The Roman "equivalent" of Cronus was Saturn, but Saturn was incredibly different from Cronus, and probably the best example of a huge divergence between Greek and Roman myth. The Greek Cronus was solely a bad guy who devoured his children and had to be destroyed by heroic Zeus for the current world order to exist, while the Roman Saturn was a loving and peaceful god who represents a long-lost Golden Age, and whose festival was the origin of many of the customs now incorporated into Christmas. (Saturnalia was held near the winter solstice to symbolize Saturn's "rebirth" from death that brought the promise of spring, etc.)
sciborg2 06-21-07, 07:35 PM	I always though that the Titans with a capital T were the primordial, pregodly beings whose offspring include the Hecotenaires (sp?) and the more peaceful/good lesser titans. After all, the Olympians are really of the Titan race themselves...
XHereticX 06-21-07, 08:06 PM	I always though that the Titans with a capital T were the primordial, pregodly beings whose offspring include the Hecotenaires (sp?) and the more peaceful/good lesser titans. After all, the Olympians are really of the Titan race themselves... I would hardly call the Titans "good" and "peaceful." If anything, they were the ones who abused their siblings just because of their aesthetical deformities. Hmm, the new titans the spawn of the old? I don't see many similarities, the old ones are rotting in Carceri while the new are frolicking in Arborea.
ArcTan 06-22-07, 01:29 AM	I always though that the Titans with a capital T were the primordial, pregodly beings whose offspring include the Hecotenaires (sp?) and the more peaceful/good lesser titans. After all, the Olympians are really of the Titan race themselves... No. The Olympians are of the *divine* race, to which all of the first children of the universe belong. The term "Titan" refers to one particular generation of that race, the human-shaped children of Gaia and Ouranos that followed their uglier siblings, the Cyclopes and Hecatoncheires. The parents of all these beings are Gaia (Mother Earth) and Ouranos (Father Sky). The Titans were the first of their children to rule the world as gods, after Cronus kills his father Ouranos and takes his place. They continued to oppress their elder siblings the Hecatoncheires and Cyclopes, however, so Gaia helped Cronus' son Zeus rebel against his father and set up the Olympians in the Titans' place. Cronus himself was pretty much a villainous character -- though Zeus, after all, isn't any nicer to him than Cronus was to his elders, which is why Gaia sets Typhon and the other monsters on the Olympians -- but the other Titans weren't especially evil. Often the cycle of succession of the gods is seen as an amoral, unfortunate event in myth -- mirroring the real-life destruction of a previous civilization by the Greeks -- and one that would happen to Zeus himself when his successor came along (often cited as being the youngest Olympian, Dionysus). For instance, Prometheus, one of the "lesser Titans" (one who wasn't cited as having ruled the Earth as one of the Twelve Titan gods or fought in the war against Zeus) is the friend of Man and one of the most benevolent characters in Greek myth, with Zeus' punishment of Prometheus for giving fire to Man being one of Zeus' most unjust and reviled acts.
Nilbog 06-22-07, 10:52 AM	"Ripping off" isn't really a term that has much meaning for ancient religion. It was completely normal for people who encountered different religious beliefs to incorporate and adapt them for their own usage. The Romans wouldn't have seen Zeus and Jupiter as two distinct beings, but as two different ways of looking at the same being. Had they encountered Indra, they would have believed the same of him. That's how polytheism works; when there isn't a singular god, then there's no problem with just adding more gods. If two gods are similar, it's easy to conflate them. And if one god has too many different concepts associated with them, it's also not a problem for them to be split into different entities. It wasn't until monotheism started catching on that heresy or differences of religious belief became significant problems for people. The Romans cared that people went through the motions of ritual and worship, because it represented loyalty to Rome. But there was nothing inherently wrong with new types of religious beings and worship popping up. Exactly ... the only time Rome outlawed religions was when they were believed to threaten the stability of the state. (Cybele's worship and Christianity were both outlawed for a while, then accepted.)
michel andre 06-22-07, 11:20 AM	I always though that the Titans with a capital T were the primordial, pregodly beings whose offspring include the Hecotenaires (sp?) and the more peaceful/good lesser titans. After all, the Olympians are really of the Titan race themselves... To me, the difference in the divine generations is simply anthropomorphism and civilization. Ouranos, Kronos and Zeus are all divinities of Heaven and Time: Ouranos is Heaven and Time; Kronos is the Titan of Heaven and Time (focusing on the destructive nature of Time); Zeus is the Olympian of Heaven and Time (focusing on the King of Heaven aspect of his nature). To me, Ouranos is an elemental of Heaven and Time or, more simply, a Time Elemental. I imagine him as a being of black cloth with changing star-field pattern (to represent him as the fabric of time and space). Unlike Ouranos, Kronos and Zeus are more human in appearance and behavior. The major difference between this Father and Son is their degree of civilization. The Titan generation is more barbaric / less civilized than the Olympian generation. In my humble opinion, this is simply the nature of the Titans; they are one step away from raw elements. Of course, they view the laws of nature and the divine as more important than the laws and works of mortals. Also, the level of civilization of the Olympians is always open to debate, of course
ElberethSilverleaf 06-24-07, 03:06 AM	Borrowing gods and incorporating them also occurs in more modern religions. My faith, Judaism started out in a pantheistic society worshipping Yahweh, god of mountain tops lightning etc, Christianity borrowed my god and incorporated previous resurrection myths into their own resurrection myth. Islam borrows my god , the Christian messiah as a prophet and adds their own prophet as the ultimate messiah. Mormonism does a similiar thing with their myth of a lost tribe of Israel in the Americas. It goes on and on. Who knows what religions will look like a thousand years from now?
Adrez Nesnsid 06-24-07, 09:17 AM	Incitatus: Heavy horse; hp 30; see Monster Manual. (I gave the horse maximum hit points.) But Incitatus was also a priest.... :D
ElberethSilverleaf 06-24-07, 12:07 PM	But Incitatus was also a priest.... :D And wasn't he also made a Senator by Caligula (Germanicus), being the last straw as far as the Senate and the Praetorean Guard was concerned? lol
Kursk 06-26-07, 02:20 PM	The Greek Cronus was solely a bad guy who devoured his children and had to be destroyed by heroic Zeus for the current world order to exist, Zeus imprisoned him as he couldn't be destroyed. In Greek mythology deities couldn't be killed. Prometheus is an example of how Titans were also unkillable.
Wolfvyn 06-27-07, 12:13 AM	Oh they could be killed, but only with certain things. the most well known is hind's blood, but the other thing that kills gods was Gaia's rib. The one that Kronos used to kill his father and do another quite nasty thing before killing him. I think Jupiter/Zeus may of used it to not only kill Kronos, but cut him open so he could get his siblings out of his father's stomach after Kronos swallowed them whole so they could not over throw him.
Nilbog 06-27-07, 02:34 PM	Oh they could be killed, but only with certain things. the most well known is hind's blood, but the other thing that kills gods was Gaia's rib. The one that Kronos used to kill his father and do another quite nasty thing before killing him. I think Jupiter/Zeus may of used it to not only kill Kronos, but cut him open so he could get his siblings out of his father's stomach after Kronos swallowed them whole so they could not over throw him. Lesser, slightly divine 'gods' like nymphs and satyrs could die, but they weren't gods in D&D terms at all (no DvR). Kronos' sickle was adamant, not gods' bone, and he didn't actually kill Ouranus.
ArcTan 06-28-07, 12:00 AM	Zeus imprisoned him as he couldn't be destroyed. In Greek mythology deities couldn't be killed. Prometheus is an example of how Titans were also unkillable. "Killed", "sent to Tartarus", splitting hairs. If going to Tartarus doesn't count as being "killed", well, fine, but that means humans can't be "killed" either, since humans always go to Hades or somewhere else after they die rather than simply vanishing.
Adrez Nesnsid 06-28-07, 08:01 AM	"Killed", "sent to Tartarus", splitting hairs. If going to Tartarus doesn't count as being "killed", well, fine, but that means humans can't be "killed" either, since humans always go to Hades or somewhere else after they die rather than simply vanishing. There IS a difference, although it is a subtle one. In Christian terms it would be similar to the difference between being ascending into heaven and/or being "taken up" during the rapture, versus being killed and/or dying of old age or disease.
Kursk 06-28-07, 04:59 PM	"Killed", "sent to Tartarus", splitting hairs. If going to Tartarus doesn't count as being "killed", well, fine, but that means humans can't be "killed" either, since humans always go to Hades or somewhere else after they die rather than simply vanishing. No. Totally different. They didn't die and have their spirits go anywhere. If they were released they could go after the gods. That's a lot different from a spirit escaping Hades. They are in a prison and still a threat as they can't EVER be killed.
ArcTan 06-28-07, 05:23 PM	No. Totally different. They didn't die and have their spirits go anywhere. If they were released they could go after the gods. That's a lot different from a spirit escaping Hades. They are in a prison and still a threat as they can't EVER be killed. Er, people can and do escape from Hades, and if they genuinely do escape from Hades they get to be alive again. Hercules rescued his friend from Hades by brute force this way. Sisyphus got his way out of Hades by simple trickery this way (hence his special punishment). Comparing the difference between Hades and Tartarus to the difference between the Christian Rapture and death is silly. It's ascribing a level of theological consistency to the old myths that simply isn't there. For all intents and purposes the Titans *were* considered to be dead and Tartarus is talked about in the same way as Hades. The whole thing with the Titans being a constant threat who might escape one day is *not* authentic Greek mythology -- you tend to see it in modern reimaginings of Greek mythology like the God of War games.
Wolfvyn 06-28-07, 05:44 PM	Lesser, slightly divine 'gods' like nymphs and satyrs could die, but they weren't gods in D&D terms at all (no DvR). Kronos' sickle was adamant, not gods' bone, and he didn't actually kill Ouranus. I don't know where you got that, but Kronos and all his siblings where inside of Gaia and couldn't get out because His father was constantly on top. So he grabed on of her ribs, used it to cut open her side, climbed out, cut off his fathers manhood and then slew him with his mother's rib. ouranus was killed, just like kronos himself was killed by zeus who in turn cut his siblings out of his father's stomach after kronos swallowed them all whole so they couldn't be a threat to him.
Erato 06-29-07, 09:06 PM	I don't know where you got that, but Kronos and all his siblings where inside of Gaia and couldn't get out because His father was constantly on top. So he grabed on of her ribs, used it to cut open her side, climbed out, cut off his fathers manhood and then slew him with his mother's rib. ouranus was killed, just like kronos himself was killed by zeus who in turn cut his siblings out of his father's stomach after kronos swallowed them all whole so they couldn't be a threat to him. I never heard about the killing part before. Looked it up on Wiki, and they don't have it either. I guess the myths differ from eachother.
Adrez Nesnsid 06-29-07, 10:57 PM	But Incitatus was also a priest.... :D Incitatus (Caligula's horse) Large Animal? Male Light Warhorse Clr 4 Alignment: True neutral Abilities: Wis 17, cha 10, Int 2+1 (for being level 4) =3, Dex 15, Str 16, Con 18 Skills: Listen +6, Spot +6, Heal +5, Knowledge (Religion) -2, Knowledge (Nature) -2, Knowledge (History) -3, Diplomacy +1, Concentration +5 Feats: Endurence, Run,Open Minded Saves: Fort +11, Ref +6, Will +8 Full Attack: 2 Hooves +7 melee (1d4+3), and Bite +2 melee (1d3+1) OR ??? +7 melee Initiative: +2 Hit Dice: 3d8+4d8+28 ( 66 Hp) AC: 16 (-1 size, +2 dex, +4 natural, +1 sacred) Base Attack: +5 Dopmains: Animal, Nobility Spells Per Day: 5/4+1/3+1 Penelope (Caligula's Horse's "Wife") Female Light Warhorse Alignment: True Neutral Abilities: Str 16, Dex 14, Con 18, Int 2, Wis 14, Cha 10 Skills; Listen +5, Spot +5 initiative: +2 Saves: Fortitude +7, reflex +5, Willpower =[+3 Hit Dice: 3d8 +12 (27 HP) ....This time, I've given them amped up ability scores and made Incitatus a cleric.
Nilbog 06-30-07, 08:08 PM	Here are the Titans: Cronus, King of the Titans (Elder Titan Barbarian 10): Size/Type: Colossal Outsider (Extraplanar) Hit Dice: 70d8+10d12+820 (1,200 hp) Initiative: +0 Speed: 160 ft. Armor Class: 59 (-8 size, +1 Dex, +32 natural, +24 insight), touch 27, flat-footed 58 Base Attack/Grapple: +80/+113 Attack: +5 vorpal adamantine scythe +97 melee (6d6+30/19-20/x4 (+2d6 on critical hit)); or +5 javelin +80 ranged (4d6+22/19-20) Full Attack: +5 vorpal adamantine scythe +97/+92/+87/+82 melee (6d6+30/19-20/x4 (+2d6 on critical hit)); or +5 javelin +80/+75/+70/+65 ranged (4d6+22/19-20) Space/Reach: 30 ft./30 ft. Special Attacks: Devourer, rage, spell-like abilities, spells Special Qualities: DR 20/epic, improved uncanny dodge, SR 49, trap sense, uncanny dodge Saves: Fort +54, Ref +41, Will +53 Abilities: Str 45, Dex 12, Con 31, Int 33, Wis 37, Cha 26 Skills: Concentration +87, Craft (any five) +50, Decipher Script +89, Diplomacy +50, Gather Information +92, Intimidate +61, Jump +100, Knowledge (all) +66, Listen +96, Sense Motive +91, Speak Language (any five), Spellcraft +95, Spot +51 Feats: Blind-Fight, Cleave, Combat Expertise, Great Cleave, Improved Critical (scythe), Improved Critical (javelin), Improved Sunder, Maximize Spell, Power Attack, Silent Spell, Still Spell, Weapon Focus (scythe), Weapon Focus (javelin) Epic Feats: Automatic Silent Spell (0- through 9th level spells), Automatic Still Spell (0- through 9th level spells), Devastating Critical (scythe), Enhance Spell, Epic Spellcasting, Epic Toughness, Epic Weapon Focus (scythe), Epic Weapon Focus (javelin), Overwhelming Critical (scythe), Polyglot Environment: Any Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 38 Treasure: Standard Alignment: Always neutral Advancement: By character class Cronus, the King of all Titans and former Ruler of the Universe, appears as a 150-foot-tall towering humanoid, ancient and bearded. He is now imprisoned, overthrown by his son Zeus. Cronus’s natural weapons are treated as epic for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. Combat Devourer (Su): On a successful melee attack, Cronus can, as a free action, choose to consume the flesh or essence of the creature struck, inflicting 2d4 points of permanent ability drain to any ability of Cronus' choosing. Even gods are vulnerable to this ability. Spell-Like Abilities: At will—alter self, analyze dweomer, commune with nature, cure critical wounds, eyebite, freedom of movement, fly, fog cloud, produce flame, protection from energy, read magic, remove curse, sanctuary, sending, speak with animals, soften earth and stone, speak with plants, summon monster VI, greater teleport, wind wall; 3/day—antilife shell, astral projection, contact other plane, greater dispel magic, greater scrying, invisibility purge, plane shift. Caster level 29th; save DC 18 + spell level. The save DCs are Charisma-based. Spells: Cronus can use arcane spells as a 29th-level wizard or divine spells as a 29th-level cleric, from the cleric list and from the Knowledge and Magic domains. He knows the epic spells animus blizzard, hellball, and verdigris. Change Shape (Su):Cronus can assume the form of any Small to Huge humanoid or giant. Rage (Ex): Cronus can fly into a rage three times per day. In a rage, he temporarily gains a +4 bonus to Strength, a +4 bonus to Constitution, and a +2 morale bonus on Will saves, but he takes a -2 penalty to Armor Class. The increase in Constitution increases Cronus’s hit points by 160, but these hit points go away at the end of the rage when his Constitution score drops back to normal. Uncanny Dodge (Ex): Cronus retains his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) even if he is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. However, he still loses his Dexterity bonus to AC if immobilized. Trap Sense (Ex): Cronus gains a +3 bonus on Reflex saves made to avoid traps and a +3 dodge bonus to AC against attacks made by traps. Improved Uncanny Dodge (Ex): Cronus can't be flanked.
Nilbog 06-30-07, 10:49 PM	Rhea, Queen of the Titans (Elder Titan Cleric 5): Size/Type: Colossal Outsider (Extraplanar) Hit Dice: 70d8+5d8+750 (1,087 hp) Initiative: +0 Speed: 160 ft. Armor Class: 58 (-8 size, +32 natural, +24 insight), touch 26, flat-footed 58 Base Attack/Grapple: +72/+105 Attack: +5 longsword +90 melee (6d6+30/18-20(+2d6 on critical hit)); or +5 javelin +72 ranged (4d6+22/19-20) Full Attack: +5 longsword +90/+85/+80/+75 melee (6d6+30/19-20/x4 (+2d6 on critical hit)); or +5 javelin +72/+67/+62/+57 ranged (4d6+22/19-20) Space/Reach: 30 ft./30 ft. Special Attacks: Spell-like abilities, spells, turn undead Special Qualities: DR 20/epic, lifemother, SR 46 Saves: Fort +48, Ref +41, Will +54 Abilities: Str 45, Dex 11, Con 31, Int 33, Wis 37, Cha 26 Skills: Concentration +88, Craft (any five) +50, Decipher Script +89, Diplomacy +61, Gather Information +92, Intimidate +58, Jump +95, Knowledge (all) +66, Listen +91, Sense Motive +91, Speak Language (any five), Spellcraft +95, Spot +88 Feats: Blind-Fight, Cleave, Combat Expertise, Great Cleave, Improved Critical (longsword), Improved Critical (javelin), Improved Sunder, Maximize Spell, Power Attack, Silent Spell, Still Spell, Weapon Focus (longsword), Weapon Focus (javelin) Epic Feats: Automatic Silent Spell (0- through 9th level spells), Automatic Still Spell (0- through 9th level spells), Devastating Critical (longsword), Epic Spellcasting, Epic Weapon Focus (longsword), Epic Weapon Focus (javelin), Overwhelming Critical (longsword), Polyglot Environment: Any Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 36 Treasure: Standard Alignment: Always neutral Advancement: By character class Rhea, the Queen of all Titans and former co-ruler of the Universe, appears as a 120-foot-tall towering humanoid woman, broad and of middle age. She is now imprisoned with the other eleven Titan gods. Rhea's natural weapons are treated as epic for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. Combat Spell-Like Abilities: At will—alter self, analyze dweomer, commune with nature, cure critical wounds, eyebite, freedom of movement, fly, fog cloud, produce flame, protection from energy, read magic, remove curse, sanctuary, sending, speak with animals, soften earth and stone, speak with plants, summon monster VI, greater teleport, wind wall; 3/day—antilife shell, astral projection, contact other plane, greater dispel magic, greater scrying, invisibility purge, plane shift. Caster level 29th; save DC 18 + spell level. The save DCs are Charisma-based. Spells: Rhea can use arcane spells as a 29th-level wizard or divine spells as a 34th-level cleric, from the cleric list and from the Knowledge and Magic domains. She knows the epic spells let go of me, peripety, and verdigris. Turn Undead: Rhea can turn undead as a 5th-level cleric. Change Shape (Su):Rhea can assume the form of any Small to Huge humanoid or giant. Lifemother (Su): Rhea can create a creature of up to 6 HD (maximum CR 5) three times per day as a standard action. She can apply any templates to it, up to the maximum CR, but it cannot possess class levels. It appears adjacent to Rhea and acts under her command.
Adrez Nesnsid 10-10-07, 12:49 PM	:bump:
Zebppir 10-10-07, 01:10 PM	Here are the Titans: Cronus, King of the Titans (Elder Titan Barbarian 10): Size/Type: Colossal Outsider (Extraplanar) Hit Dice: 70d8+10d12+820 (1,200 hp) Initiative: +0 Speed: 160 ft. Armor Class: 59 (-8 size, +1 Dex, +32 natural, +24 insight), touch 27, flat-footed 58 Base Attack/Grapple: +80/+113 Attack: +5 vorpal adamantine scythe +97 melee (6d6+30/19-20/x4 (+2d6 on critical hit)); or +5 javelin +80 ranged (4d6+22/19-20) Full Attack: +5 vorpal adamantine scythe +97/+92/+87/+82 melee (6d6+30/19-20/x4 (+2d6 on critical hit)); or +5 javelin +80/+75/+70/+65 ranged (4d6+22/19-20) Space/Reach: 30 ft./30 ft. Special Attacks: Spell-like abilities, spells Special Qualities: DR 20/epic, SR 40 Saves: Fort +54, Ref +41, Will +53 Abilities: Str 45, Dex 12, Con 31, Int 33, Wis 37, Cha 26 Skills: Concentration +87, Craft (any five) +50, Decipher Script +89, Diplomacy +50, Gather Information +92, Intimidate +61, Jump +100, Knowledge (all) +66, Listen +96, Sense Motive +91, Speak Language (any five), Spellcraft +95, Spot +51 Feats: Blind-Fight, Cleave, Combat Expertise, Great Cleave, Improved Critical (scythe), Improved Critical (javelin), Improved Sunder, Maximize Spell, Power Attack, Silent Spell, Still Spell, Weapon Focus (scythe), Weapon Focus (javelin) Epic Feats: Automatic Silent Spell (0- through 9th level spells), Automatic Still Spell (0- through 9th level spells), Devastating Critical (scythe), Enhance Spell, Epic Spellcasting, Epic Toughness, Epic Weapon Focus (scythe), Epic Weapon Focus (javelin), Overwhelming Critical (scythe), Polyglot Environment: Any Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 35 Treasure: Standard Alignment: Always neutral Advancement: By character class Cronus, the King of all Titans and former Ruler of the Universe, appears as a 150-foot-tall towering humanoid, ancient and bearded. He is now imprisoned, overthrown by his son Zeus. Cronus’s natural weapons are treated as epic for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. Combat Spell-Like Abilities: At will—alter self, analyze dweomer, commune with nature, cure critical wounds, eyebite, freedom of movement, fly, fog cloud, produce flame, protection from energy, read magic, remove curse, sanctuary, sending, speak with animals, soften earth and stone, speak with plants, summon monster VI, greater teleport, wind wall; 3/day—antilife shell, astral projection, contact other plane, greater dispel magic, greater scrying, invisibility purge, plane shift. Caster level 29th; save DC 18 + spell level. The save DCs are Charisma-based. Spells: Cronus can use arcane spells as a 29th-level wizard or divine spells as a 29th-level cleric, from the cleric list and from the Knowledge and Magic domains. He knows the epic spells animus blizzard, hellball, and verdigris. Change Shape (Su):Cronus can assume the form of any Small to Huge humanoid or giant. Rage (Ex): Cronus can fly into a rage three times per day. In a rage, he temporarily gains a +4 bonus to Strength, a +4 bonus to Constitution, and a +2 morale bonus on Will saves, but he takes a -2 penalty to Armor Class. The increase in Constitution increases Cronus’s hit points by 160, but these hit points go away at the end of the rage when his Constitution score drops back to normal. Uncanny Dodge (Ex): Cronus retains his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) even if he is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. However, he still loses his Dexterity bonus to AC if immobilized. Trap Sense (Ex): Cronus gains a +3 bonus on Reflex saves made to avoid traps and a +3 dodge bonus to AC against attacks made by traps. Improved Uncanny Dodge (Ex): Cronus can't be flanked. the dragon version is CR 56 kinda blows this one out of the water as for Rhea nowhere in any myths I have come across is she imprisoned
Nilbog 10-19-07, 07:16 PM	Prometheus the Firebearer (Elder Titan Rogue 5): Size/Type: Colossal Outsider (Extraplanar) Hit Dice: 70d8+5d6+750 (1,082 hp) Initiative: +0 Speed: 160 ft. Armor Class: 59 (-8 size, +1 Dex, +32 natural, +24 insight), touch 27, flat-footed 58 Base Attack/Grapple: +80/+113 Attack: +5 vorpal adamantine longsword +97 melee (4d8+30/19-20/x4 (+2d6 on critical hit)); or +5 javelin +80 ranged (4d6+22/19-20) Full Attack: +5 vorpal adamantine longsword +97/+92/+87/+82 melee (4d8+30/19-20/x4 (+2d6 on critical hit)); or +5 javelin +80/+75/+70/+65 ranged (4d6+22/19-20) Space/Reach: 30 ft./30 ft. Special Attacks: Fireburst, spell-like abilities, spells, sneak attack +3d6 Special Qualities: DR 20/epic, evasion, SR 40, trap sense, uncanny dodge Saves: Fort +54, Ref +41, Will +53 Abilities: Str 45, Dex 12, Con 31, Int 33, Wis 37, Cha 26 Skills: Concentration +87, Craft (any five) +50, Decipher Script +89, Diplomacy +50, Gather Information +92, Intimidate +61, Jump +100, Knowledge (all) +66, Listen +96, Sense Motive +91, Speak Language (any five), Spellcraft +95, Spot +51 Feats: Blind-Fight, Cleave, Combat Expertise, Great Cleave, Improved Critical (scythe), Improved Critical (javelin), Improved Sunder, Maximize Spell, Power Attack, Silent Spell, Still Spell, Weapon Focus (scythe), Weapon Focus (javelin) Epic Feats: Automatic Silent Spell (0- through 9th level spells), Automatic Still Spell (0- through 9th level spells), Devastating Critical (longsword), Enhance Spell, Epic Spellcasting, Epic Toughness, Epic Weapon Focus (longsword), Epic Weapon Focus (javelin), Overwhelming Critical (longsword), Polyglot Environment: Any Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 35 Treasure: Standard Alignment: Always neutral good Advancement: By character class Prometheus is the bringer of fire to mankind. He was imprisoned by Zeus for 30,000 years. He appears as a young man about 70 feet in height. Cronus’s natural weapons are treated as epic for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. Combat Fireburst (Su): Three times per day, Prometheus can call upon the fires of heaven, scorching a 60-foot radius around himself. Every creature or object in that radius suffers 20d6 fire damage (Reflex DC 55 half). The save DC is Charisma-based. Spell-Like Abilities: At will—alter self, analyze dweomer, commune with nature, cure critical wounds, eyebite, freedom of movement, fly, fog cloud, produce flame, protection from energy, read magic, remove curse, sanctuary, sending, speak with animals, soften earth and stone, speak with plants, summon monster VI, greater teleport, wind wall; 3/day—antilife shell, astral projection, contact other plane, greater dispel magic, greater scrying, invisibility purge, plane shift. Caster level 29th; save DC 18 + spell level. The save DCs are Charisma-based. Spells: Prometheus can use arcane spells as a 29th-level wizard or divine spells as a 29th-level cleric, from the cleric list and from the Fire and Knowledge domains. He knows the epic spells hellball, living lightning, and peripety. Sneak Attack (Ex): Prometheus' sneak attack deals +3d6 damage. Change Shape (Su): Prometheus can assume the form of any Small to Huge humanoid or giant. Evasion (Ex): If Prometheus makes a successful Reflex saving throw against an attack that normally deals half damage on a successful save, he instead takes no damage. Evasion can be used only if Prometheus is wearing light armor or no armor and is not helpless. Uncanny Dodge (Ex): Prometheus retains his Dexterity bonus to AC even if he is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. However, he still loses his Dexterity bonus to AC if immobilized. Trap Sense (Ex): Prometheus gains a +1 bonus on Reflex saves made to avoid traps and a +1 dodge bonus to AC against attacks made by traps.
ArkhamInmate 11-08-07, 11:42 PM	the dragon version is CR 56 kinda blows this one out of the water as for Rhea nowhere in any myths I have come across is she imprisoned No if i remember correctly because she stopped kronos from eating Zeus, she was allowed to stay and live on olympus with the rest of the gods
Adrez Nesnsid 11-10-07, 07:35 AM	I'm not sure if I've posted a link to this on this thread before, but here (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=116669) is a link to an entire three page thread devoted to the, roman goddess Discordia (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=116669), (who has perhaps the most active modern following of any ancient roman deity). Here is that thread again (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=116669) For more information on Discordia, you can look: Here (http://www.23ae.com/) Here (http://discordia.loveshade.org/ek-sen-trik-kuh/) Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordia) and, of course Here (http://www.sjgames.com/search/index.html?cx=003530707483205316815%3Aww wuvwoyorc&cof=FORID%3A11%3BBIMG%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww .sjgames.com%2Fimg%2Fnewhome04%2Fgoldbk. jpg%3B&q=Principia+Discordia#915)
ArcTan 11-10-07, 02:27 PM	The wacky postmodern snarky Discordia has almost nothing to do with the actual Discordia from mythology (you know, the psychopath who likes starting wars and works for the god of war).
Adrez Nesnsid 11-10-07, 03:40 PM	The wacky postmodern snarky Discordia has almost nothing to do with the actual Discordia from mythology (you know, the psychopath who likes starting wars and works for the god of war). Actually, check out Liber 3167 (http://www.23ae.com/index.asp?post=8#), a Discordian text about reasons not to trust Discordia. Also, in the Illiad, it was Ares and Pallas Athene that presided over the actual war; Eris only presided over the petty bickering that eventually led up to it.
ArcTan 11-11-07, 02:25 AM	Yes, Eris *starts* wars, but is not herself the goddess of war. She's Ares' sister and his "companion", and cited as the cause of all earthly wars.