What's your destiny? Immortal by age? [Archive] - Wizards Community

What's your destiny? Immortal by age? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Lia The Sun Elf Wizard
02-25-08, 05:02 PM All PCs are would be heroes, that's the fun in D&D game. When i say hero, i'm not referring to the usual heroes, the ones who save the world from the evil. But quite the opposite, let's suppose you are playing with a Worshiper/disciple of a Lord of nine hells, a thrall of a demon. In fiendish codex II it's stating that most souls are tortured and then become lemures that forgot their previous lives in nine hells and almost the same process occur in the abyss (as stated in fiendish codex I). As a PC and as would be hero (or woul be anti-hero), what's your chances to be the exception? I mean, what's your chances to live in a layer forever as a mortal or not having the tragic end of most souls. If you could answer what's your chances to be something that other devils/demons respect in their own homeplanes and in the home place of the character, what you must do?
And a last question: how a human, halfling or any mortal race have to do to be immortal by age. Like Iggwilv or any other power wizard in any world of D&D? They WISHED to live forever? It was a MIRACLE? It was a great artifact they got? All ways i just said are correct? What did they do to live forever (other ways other than becoming a lich)?
Zousha_Omenohu
02-25-08, 10:06 PM All PCs are would be heroes, that's the fun in D&D game. When i say hero, i'm not referring to the usual heroes, the ones who save the world from the evil. But quite the opposite, let's suppose you are playing with a Worshiper/disciple of a Lord of nine hells, a thrall of a demon. In fiendish codex II it's stating that most souls are tortured and then become lemures that forgot their previous lives in nine hells and almost the same process occur in the abyss (as stated in fiendish codex I). As a PC and as would be hero (or woul be anti-hero), what's your chances to be the exception? I mean, what's your chances to live in a layer forever as a mortal or not having the tragic end of most souls. If you could answer what's your chances to be something that other devils/demons respect in their own homeplanes and in the home place of the character, what you must do?

Generally speaking, if you are an extremely evil servant of a fiend, they don't let your soul stay on in it's regular form, as far as I can tell. Instead, you skip the lowest rank and become a higher form of fiend right from the get-go. If you serve an evil deity, then you are claimed as one of their faithful and transported to their realm as a petitioner. Souls very rarely stay in their original form when they arrive in the Outer Planes, if I'm correct.

And a last question: how a human, halfling or any mortal race have to do to be immortal by age. Like Iggwilv or any other power wizard in any world of D&D? They WISHED to live forever? It was a MIRACLE? It was a great artifact they got? All ways i just said are correct? What did they do to live forever (other ways other than becoming a lich)?

Each immortal has different circumstances. Elminster gained his basically immortal status because of his service to Mystra (both in and out of the bedroom ;) ). Igglwilv was the captor and part-time lover of Graz'zt, and eventually became poweful enough that it would be plausible for her to persuade or bully Graz'zt into making her immortal. Raistlin became a god by killing Takhisis and taking her place. If you wish to get techinical, any high-level spellcaster can become immortal with a very carefully worded wish spell. In short, it's on a case-by-case basis.
Mister_Mxyztplk
02-26-08, 06:03 PM All PCs are would be heroes, that's the fun in D&D game. When i say hero, i'm not referring to the usual heroes, the ones who save the world from the evil. But quite the opposite, let's suppose you are playing with a Worshiper/disciple of a Lord of nine hells, a thrall of a demon. In fiendish codex II it's stating that most souls are tortured and then become lemures that forgot their previous lives in nine hells and almost the same process occur in the abyss (as stated in fiendish codex I). As a PC and as would be hero (or woul be anti-hero), what's your chances to be the exception? I mean, what's your chances to live in a layer forever as a mortal or not having the tragic end of most souls. If you could answer what's your chances to be something that other devils/demons respect in their own homeplanes and in the home place of the character, what you must do?
And a last question: how a human, halfling or any mortal race have to do to be immortal by age. Like Iggwilv or any other power wizard in any world of D&D? They WISHED to live forever? It was a MIRACLE? It was a great artifact they got? All ways i just said are correct? What did they do to live forever (other ways other than becoming a lich)?

In addition to the ways of not becoming a level and how to obtain immortality that Zousha already listed, here are a few more.

In life you may enter into a contract with a devil that condemns your soul to hell but transforms it into a higher form of devil than a lemure. In the forgotten realms a soul can also make a deal with a devil inKelemvor's realm while waiting to go onto its final destination. The souls of the demon prince Orcus go to his layer of the Abyss when they die and become demons that retain the memories of their mortal lives.

A deity may occasionally impart a small amount of its divinity to grant an especially faithful and usful servent the divine spark necessary to become a quasi-deity. Shar did this with her servant Volumvax (see Faiths and Pantheons). Some ancient magical empires developed potions that granted either longevity or even immortality. There is an artifact in the Forgotten Realms, a magical painting that grants immortality. Having the spell Narfiendom cast on you will turn you into a half-fiend and as a consequence of this greatly extend your lifespan. Becoming a Shade or a Dragonborn will extend your life by centuries. Aumvor the Undying created an epic level spell that allows the caster to turn others into a form of living zombie that suffers the effects of aging on the casters behalf. I believe their is also a spell in the book of vile darkness that allows one to drain the lifeforce of another to reverse a weeks worth of aging (would have to be cast on multiple subjects to grant imortality or even to regain lost youth). In an ancient abandoned Yuanti city there is a pool that stops aging as long as you remain in it.

I apologize if this is more information than you wanted, I got a bit carried away. :)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Lia The Sun Elf Wizard 02-25-08, 05:02 PM	All PCs are would be heroes, that's the fun in D&D game. When i say hero, i'm not referring to the usual heroes, the ones who save the world from the evil. But quite the opposite, let's suppose you are playing with a Worshiper/disciple of a Lord of nine hells, a thrall of a demon. In fiendish codex II it's stating that most souls are tortured and then become lemures that forgot their previous lives in nine hells and almost the same process occur in the abyss (as stated in fiendish codex I). As a PC and as would be hero (or woul be anti-hero), what's your chances to be the exception? I mean, what's your chances to live in a layer forever as a mortal or not having the tragic end of most souls. If you could answer what's your chances to be something that other devils/demons respect in their own homeplanes and in the home place of the character, what you must do? And a last question: how a human, halfling or any mortal race have to do to be immortal by age. Like Iggwilv or any other power wizard in any world of D&D? They WISHED to live forever? It was a MIRACLE? It was a great artifact they got? All ways i just said are correct? What did they do to live forever (other ways other than becoming a lich)?
Zousha_Omenohu 02-25-08, 10:06 PM	All PCs are would be heroes, that's the fun in D&D game. When i say hero, i'm not referring to the usual heroes, the ones who save the world from the evil. But quite the opposite, let's suppose you are playing with a Worshiper/disciple of a Lord of nine hells, a thrall of a demon. In fiendish codex II it's stating that most souls are tortured and then become lemures that forgot their previous lives in nine hells and almost the same process occur in the abyss (as stated in fiendish codex I). As a PC and as would be hero (or woul be anti-hero), what's your chances to be the exception? I mean, what's your chances to live in a layer forever as a mortal or not having the tragic end of most souls. If you could answer what's your chances to be something that other devils/demons respect in their own homeplanes and in the home place of the character, what you must do? Generally speaking, if you are an extremely evil servant of a fiend, they don't let your soul stay on in it's regular form, as far as I can tell. Instead, you skip the lowest rank and become a higher form of fiend right from the get-go. If you serve an evil deity, then you are claimed as one of their faithful and transported to their realm as a petitioner. Souls very rarely stay in their original form when they arrive in the Outer Planes, if I'm correct. And a last question: how a human, halfling or any mortal race have to do to be immortal by age. Like Iggwilv or any other power wizard in any world of D&D? They WISHED to live forever? It was a MIRACLE? It was a great artifact they got? All ways i just said are correct? What did they do to live forever (other ways other than becoming a lich)? Each immortal has different circumstances. Elminster gained his basically immortal status because of his service to Mystra (both in and out of the bedroom ;) ). Igglwilv was the captor and part-time lover of Graz'zt, and eventually became poweful enough that it would be plausible for her to persuade or bully Graz'zt into making her immortal. Raistlin became a god by killing Takhisis and taking her place. If you wish to get techinical, any high-level spellcaster can become immortal with a very carefully worded wish spell. In short, it's on a case-by-case basis.
Mister_Mxyztplk 02-26-08, 06:03 PM	All PCs are would be heroes, that's the fun in D&D game. When i say hero, i'm not referring to the usual heroes, the ones who save the world from the evil. But quite the opposite, let's suppose you are playing with a Worshiper/disciple of a Lord of nine hells, a thrall of a demon. In fiendish codex II it's stating that most souls are tortured and then become lemures that forgot their previous lives in nine hells and almost the same process occur in the abyss (as stated in fiendish codex I). As a PC and as would be hero (or woul be anti-hero), what's your chances to be the exception? I mean, what's your chances to live in a layer forever as a mortal or not having the tragic end of most souls. If you could answer what's your chances to be something that other devils/demons respect in their own homeplanes and in the home place of the character, what you must do? And a last question: how a human, halfling or any mortal race have to do to be immortal by age. Like Iggwilv or any other power wizard in any world of D&D? They WISHED to live forever? It was a MIRACLE? It was a great artifact they got? All ways i just said are correct? What did they do to live forever (other ways other than becoming a lich)? In addition to the ways of not becoming a level and how to obtain immortality that Zousha already listed, here are a few more. In life you may enter into a contract with a devil that condemns your soul to hell but transforms it into a higher form of devil than a lemure. In the forgotten realms a soul can also make a deal with a devil inKelemvor's realm while waiting to go onto its final destination. The souls of the demon prince Orcus go to his layer of the Abyss when they die and become demons that retain the memories of their mortal lives. A deity may occasionally impart a small amount of its divinity to grant an especially faithful and usful servent the divine spark necessary to become a quasi-deity. Shar did this with her servant Volumvax (see Faiths and Pantheons). Some ancient magical empires developed potions that granted either longevity or even immortality. There is an artifact in the Forgotten Realms, a magical painting that grants immortality. Having the spell Narfiendom cast on you will turn you into a half-fiend and as a consequence of this greatly extend your lifespan. Becoming a Shade or a Dragonborn will extend your life by centuries. Aumvor the Undying created an epic level spell that allows the caster to turn others into a form of living zombie that suffers the effects of aging on the casters behalf. I believe their is also a spell in the book of vile darkness that allows one to drain the lifeforce of another to reverse a weeks worth of aging (would have to be cast on multiple subjects to grant imortality or even to regain lost youth). In an ancient abandoned Yuanti city there is a pool that stops aging as long as you remain in it. I apologize if this is more information than you wanted, I got a bit carried away. :)