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Where will Sardior's followers go when they die? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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celestialkin
07-02-07, 05:02 AM Hey guys. My current character is a Psionic worshiper of Sardior (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20030124a) who is most likely going to die in my group's next gaming session, so I want to know where he will go once he dies. We are playing in The Forgotten Realms setting, and the group is currently on Sigil jumping from plane to plane in The Expedition to the Demon Web Pits adventure.

Right now there are a number of variables which I think might effect where his soul will go (I am not sure):

1) Sardior (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20030124a) is a relatively new deity according to his Mind's Eye article (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20030124a), and for some reason does not have his own plane. Instead he lives on a flying castle which orbits the Material Plane. Since he has no plane, I do not know where his followers, or my character are supposed to go.

2) He is not on Fearun, or any Material Plane which Sardior may be present on, so I am not sure if his soul will make it's way to wherever it should go. He is in fact in the Abyss at the moment, so I am not sure if this means his soul will be stuck there if he dies while there.

I probably won't even continue playing in this campaign, but I would still like to know the answer to this, because I plan on playing many more characters who will also worship this deity.

Thanks in advance for any help!

edit:
By the way, can anyone please tell me where the souls of followers of semideities would go when they die? I am also a big fan of The Catlord from The Epic Level Handbook, and I want to know where his followers would go once they die.
Gray Richardson
07-02-07, 08:57 AM In my campaign I placed Sardior's Ruby Castle floating around the skies of the plane of Dragon Eyrie.

Gem dragons have a long presence in Faerūn, so I feel Sardior must surely have a presence there.

Many of the Gem dragons take elemental deities as their patron. Grumbar seems especially appropriate. So those souls may end up in Grumbar's divine realm (called the Great Mountain) in the elemental plane of Earth when they die.
Taeldrin Laesrash
07-02-07, 01:06 PM Technically, I think they'd go to the Material Plane, probably to Sardior's castle (According to the Mind's Eye column). And it doesn't matter where they are on the Material Plane, it'll still get there unless the environment or world has specific conditions to block it. If it's the Abyss, I still think it'll still go back, but you're more at risk from losing your soul to a demon.
ripvanwormer
07-02-07, 07:33 PM According to Tales of the Lamp, Sardior's castle is on the Elemental Plane of Air.
Shemeska the Marauder
07-02-07, 09:37 PM edit:
By the way, can anyone please tell me where the souls of followers of semideities would go when they die? I am also a big fan of The Catlord from The Epic Level Handbook, and I want to know where his followers would go once they die.

As far as I know, only deities of demigod status or higher actually attract petitioners, or even have the potential of having a deific domain that would draw them in.

The ELH Catlord, as far as I know, (who has no relation to the being known as the Catlord who lives in the Beastlands) isn't divine in the first place (though they present the mechanical option in the ELH). The ELH "catlord" is a character that as far as I understand it, appears in Gary Gygax's "Gord the Rogue" novels, but otherwise he doesn't appear elsewhere, and not in any of the planar or deific material that developed in D&D post-Gygax.

If I absolutely had to place him into D&D as a whole as a deity, I'd have him on the prime material with no deific domain, with his petitioners either bound to him, manifesting as cats, or reincarnated as various felines and set loose on the world at large.
celestialkin
07-04-07, 02:52 AM According to Tales of the Lamp, Sardior's castle is on the Elemental Plane of Air.

Can you please tell me where I can find this Tales of the Lamp? I have looked all over the net, but I can't find any reference to it. Is it a book, is it in a book, or is it published somewhere else?

Technically, I think they'd go to the Material Plane, probably to Sardior's castle (According to the Mind's Eye column). And it doesn't matter where they are on the Material Plane, it'll still get there unless the environment or world has specific conditions to block it. If it's the Abyss, I still think it'll still go back, but you're more at risk from losing your soul to a demon.

I like this idea, but could souls serve their afterlife in the Material Plane? I thought by law souls had to leave the Material Plane once they died, unless they were turned into ghosts or similar beings. And wouldn't a single castle have too little space to hold so many souls for eternity?

As far as I know, only deities of demigod status or higher actually attract petitioners, or even have the potential of having a deific domain that would draw them in.

The ELH Catlord, as far as I know, (who has no relation to the being known as the Catlord who lives in the Beastlands) isn't divine in the first place (though they present the mechanical option in the ELH). The ELH "catlord" is a character that as far as I understand it, appears in Gary Gygax's "Gord the Rogue" novels, but otherwise he doesn't appear elsewhere, and not in any of the planar or deific material that developed in D&D post-Gygax.

If I absolutely had to place him into D&D as a whole as a deity, I'd have him on the prime material with no deific domain, with his petitioners either bound to him, manifesting as cats, or reincarnated as various felines and set loose on the world at large.

Thanks for all the information.

As for the Cat Lord having follows, I thought he did because I read online he had some rogue and acrobat worshipers (Supposedly according to the Gord the Rogue series). In addition, the Tibbits in The Dragon Compendium worship him (I know it was made by the guys who make Dragon Magazine, but at least it's more accepted than other 3rd party stuff.).
caeruleus
07-04-07, 03:08 AM Can you please tell me where I can find this Tales of the Lamp? I have looked all over the net, but I can't find any reference to it. Is it a book, is it in a book, or is it published somewhere else?

Perhaps he meant Secrets of the Lamp (http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/aq/aq-alq4.htm), an Al-Qadim supplement. Sardior is mentioned in it.
Gray Richardson
07-04-07, 03:56 AM Can you please tell me where I can find this Tales of the Lamp? I have looked all over the net, but I can't find any reference to it. Is it a book, is it in a book, or is it published somewhere else?

Secrets of the Lamp (http://paizo.com/store/downloads/wizardsOfTheCoast/aDAndD2/alQadim/v5748btpy7mgw) was an Al-Qadim sourcebook, which is technically part of the Realms, but it's also one of the best books about genies and the elemental planes ever published.

http://paizo.com/store/downloads/wizardsOfTheCoast/aDAndD2/alQadim/v5748btpy7mgw (http://paizo.com/store/downloads/wizardsOfTheCoast/aDAndD2/alQadim/v5748btpy7mgw)
celestialkin
07-04-07, 04:50 AM Perhaps he meant Secrets of the Lamp (http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/aq/aq-alq4.htm), an Al-Qadim supplement. Sardior is mentioned in it.

Secrets of the Lamp (http://paizo.com/store/downloads/wizardsOfTheCoast/aDAndD2/alQadim/v5748btpy7mgw) was an Al-Qadim sourcebook, which is technically part of the Realms, but it's also one of the best books about genies and the elemental planes ever published.

http://paizo.com/store/downloads/wizardsOfTheCoast/aDAndD2/alQadim/v5748btpy7mgw (http://paizo.com/store/downloads/wizardsOfTheCoast/aDAndD2/alQadim/v5748btpy7mgw)

Thanks for the help and links. I looked into it, but sadly Sardior was only mentioned in a brief paragraph, and it only said he occasionally brought his castle to visit the djinn's royal court, so I am guessing it still normally resides in the Material Plane. However, just having him mentioned in an official D&D book is a real treat for me. Plus any new fluff on him is a good thing. :)

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celestialkin 07-02-07, 05:02 AM	Hey guys. My current character is a Psionic worshiper of Sardior (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20030124a) who is most likely going to die in my group's next gaming session, so I want to know where he will go once he dies. We are playing in The Forgotten Realms setting, and the group is currently on Sigil jumping from plane to plane in The Expedition to the Demon Web Pits adventure. Right now there are a number of variables which I think might effect where his soul will go (I am not sure): 1) Sardior (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20030124a) is a relatively new deity according to his Mind's Eye article (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20030124a), and for some reason does not have his own plane. Instead he lives on a flying castle which orbits the Material Plane. Since he has no plane, I do not know where his followers, or my character are supposed to go. 2) He is not on Fearun, or any Material Plane which Sardior may be present on, so I am not sure if his soul will make it's way to wherever it should go. He is in fact in the Abyss at the moment, so I am not sure if this means his soul will be stuck there if he dies while there. I probably won't even continue playing in this campaign, but I would still like to know the answer to this, because I plan on playing many more characters who will also worship this deity. Thanks in advance for any help! edit: By the way, can anyone please tell me where the souls of followers of semideities would go when they die? I am also a big fan of The Catlord from The Epic Level Handbook, and I want to know where his followers would go once they die.
Gray Richardson 07-02-07, 08:57 AM	In my campaign I placed Sardior's Ruby Castle floating around the skies of the plane of Dragon Eyrie. Gem dragons have a long presence in Faerūn, so I feel Sardior must surely have a presence there. Many of the Gem dragons take elemental deities as their patron. Grumbar seems especially appropriate. So those souls may end up in Grumbar's divine realm (called the Great Mountain) in the elemental plane of Earth when they die.
Taeldrin Laesrash 07-02-07, 01:06 PM	Technically, I think they'd go to the Material Plane, probably to Sardior's castle (According to the Mind's Eye column). And it doesn't matter where they are on the Material Plane, it'll still get there unless the environment or world has specific conditions to block it. If it's the Abyss, I still think it'll still go back, but you're more at risk from losing your soul to a demon.
ripvanwormer 07-02-07, 07:33 PM	According to Tales of the Lamp, Sardior's castle is on the Elemental Plane of Air.
Shemeska the Marauder 07-02-07, 09:37 PM	edit: By the way, can anyone please tell me where the souls of followers of semideities would go when they die? I am also a big fan of The Catlord from The Epic Level Handbook, and I want to know where his followers would go once they die. As far as I know, only deities of demigod status or higher actually attract petitioners, or even have the potential of having a deific domain that would draw them in. The ELH Catlord, as far as I know, (who has no relation to the being known as the Catlord who lives in the Beastlands) isn't divine in the first place (though they present the mechanical option in the ELH). The ELH "catlord" is a character that as far as I understand it, appears in Gary Gygax's "Gord the Rogue" novels, but otherwise he doesn't appear elsewhere, and not in any of the planar or deific material that developed in D&D post-Gygax. If I absolutely had to place him into D&D as a whole as a deity, I'd have him on the prime material with no deific domain, with his petitioners either bound to him, manifesting as cats, or reincarnated as various felines and set loose on the world at large.
celestialkin 07-04-07, 02:52 AM	According to Tales of the Lamp, Sardior's castle is on the Elemental Plane of Air. Can you please tell me where I can find this Tales of the Lamp? I have looked all over the net, but I can't find any reference to it. Is it a book, is it in a book, or is it published somewhere else? Technically, I think they'd go to the Material Plane, probably to Sardior's castle (According to the Mind's Eye column). And it doesn't matter where they are on the Material Plane, it'll still get there unless the environment or world has specific conditions to block it. If it's the Abyss, I still think it'll still go back, but you're more at risk from losing your soul to a demon. I like this idea, but could souls serve their afterlife in the Material Plane? I thought by law souls had to leave the Material Plane once they died, unless they were turned into ghosts or similar beings. And wouldn't a single castle have too little space to hold so many souls for eternity? As far as I know, only deities of demigod status or higher actually attract petitioners, or even have the potential of having a deific domain that would draw them in. The ELH Catlord, as far as I know, (who has no relation to the being known as the Catlord who lives in the Beastlands) isn't divine in the first place (though they present the mechanical option in the ELH). The ELH "catlord" is a character that as far as I understand it, appears in Gary Gygax's "Gord the Rogue" novels, but otherwise he doesn't appear elsewhere, and not in any of the planar or deific material that developed in D&D post-Gygax. If I absolutely had to place him into D&D as a whole as a deity, I'd have him on the prime material with no deific domain, with his petitioners either bound to him, manifesting as cats, or reincarnated as various felines and set loose on the world at large. Thanks for all the information. As for the Cat Lord having follows, I thought he did because I read online he had some rogue and acrobat worshipers (Supposedly according to the Gord the Rogue series). In addition, the Tibbits in The Dragon Compendium worship him (I know it was made by the guys who make Dragon Magazine, but at least it's more accepted than other 3rd party stuff.).
caeruleus 07-04-07, 03:08 AM	Can you please tell me where I can find this Tales of the Lamp? I have looked all over the net, but I can't find any reference to it. Is it a book, is it in a book, or is it published somewhere else? Perhaps he meant Secrets of the Lamp (http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/aq/aq-alq4.htm), an Al-Qadim supplement. Sardior is mentioned in it.
Gray Richardson 07-04-07, 03:56 AM	Can you please tell me where I can find this Tales of the Lamp? I have looked all over the net, but I can't find any reference to it. Is it a book, is it in a book, or is it published somewhere else? Secrets of the Lamp (http://paizo.com/store/downloads/wizardsOfTheCoast/aDAndD2/alQadim/v5748btpy7mgw) was an Al-Qadim sourcebook, which is technically part of the Realms, but it's also one of the best books about genies and the elemental planes ever published. http://paizo.com/store/downloads/wizardsOfTheCoast/aDAndD2/alQadim/v5748btpy7mgw (http://paizo.com/store/downloads/wizardsOfTheCoast/aDAndD2/alQadim/v5748btpy7mgw)
celestialkin 07-04-07, 04:50 AM	Perhaps he meant Secrets of the Lamp (http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/aq/aq-alq4.htm), an Al-Qadim supplement. Sardior is mentioned in it. Secrets of the Lamp (http://paizo.com/store/downloads/wizardsOfTheCoast/aDAndD2/alQadim/v5748btpy7mgw) was an Al-Qadim sourcebook, which is technically part of the Realms, but it's also one of the best books about genies and the elemental planes ever published. http://paizo.com/store/downloads/wizardsOfTheCoast/aDAndD2/alQadim/v5748btpy7mgw (http://paizo.com/store/downloads/wizardsOfTheCoast/aDAndD2/alQadim/v5748btpy7mgw) Thanks for the help and links. I looked into it, but sadly Sardior was only mentioned in a brief paragraph, and it only said he occasionally brought his castle to visit the djinn's royal court, so I am guessing it still normally resides in the Material Plane. However, just having him mentioned in an official D&D book is a real treat for me. Plus any new fluff on him is a good thing. :)