Why don't Yugoloths have thier own language? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Why don't Yugoloths have thier own language? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Hammerhead
10-22-07, 05:32 PM Both demons and devils do so why not yugoloths? And what would it be called "yugolothic"? Also why are they not immune to fire if they live in a place full of lava?
Witch
10-22-07, 06:01 PM Why would creatures with telepathy use languages in verbal speech? Likely, they wouldn't ever. I see Abyssal (and to a lesser degree, Infernal) as languages spoken by the servants of such creatures, or those willing to deal with them, rather than something these creatures speak to one another. Hence, these languages would most often be used in written accounts. But ask yourself - what would a yugoloth win with written accounts? They're mostly evidence that one is lying. Avoiding written accounts as much as possible is quite helpful. There's no need to develop a language of their own for the fairly minor amount of time they write things down.
Taeldrin Laesrash
10-22-07, 06:41 PM They did have their own back in 2E. It's described in Faces of Evil as being full of double-speak, and a 'loth's command over the language increases with their rank. Mortals can learn it to, but supposedly they'll have to become 'loths to learn it completely.
Thegans
10-22-07, 07:13 PM Wouldn't the yuggoloth language probably be a form of the dark speech that regualr people need a feat to speak?
Taeldrin Laesrash
10-22-07, 08:45 PM The Dark Speech seems to be a wacky invention to try to make evil more evil. It's equivalent would be more like the truenames. The Yugoloth language is just that-a language (Though I could be wrong).
Thegans
10-22-07, 08:52 PM The Dark Speech seems to be a wacky invention to try to make evil more evil. It's equivalent would be more like the truenames. The Yugoloth language is just that-a language (Though I could be wrong).

So basically its a rip off of the dark speech in Lord of the Rings. Its just that it kind of seems reasonable sort of like how the archdevils according to the second Fiendish Codex have a language that only they can safely speak.
ArcTan
10-22-07, 09:07 PM Because the inclusion of Yugoloths is, from a 3e perspective, an afterthought.

This is annoying when it comes to things like Neutral Evil Fiendish Animals and what language they speak for the purpose of summoning.
Shemeska the Marauder
10-23-07, 12:36 AM A lot of outsiders had their own languages in 2e, but 3e in the name of simplification retconned many of them out. 3e had only one language for the upper planes, and only two for the lower planes, and apparently no languages for the more purely Lawful or Chaotic planes, or the TN outsiders, etc.

I still have them with their own language, and then older still, I have a specific baernaloth language (which existed in 2e). I treat the baern tongue as inherently magical, with "dark speech" being a broken, child-like use of bits and fragments of it.
Lobsopdoy
10-23-07, 09:45 AM A lot of outsiders had their own languages in 2e, but 3e in the name of simplification retconned many of them out. 3e had only one language for the upper planes, and only two for the lower planes, and apparently no languages for the more purely Lawful or Chaotic planes, or the TN outsiders, etc.

I still have them with their own language, and then older still, I have a specific baernaloth language (which existed in 2e). I treat the baern tongue as inherently magical, with "dark speech" being a broken, child-like use of bits and fragments of it.

I always figured that the LN language would be like binary code, personally.

Anyway, the Yuguloths probably don't need their own language because most of their culture revolves around interaction with other races and planes.
Deacon Liadon
10-23-07, 02:25 PM The yugoloth language is fun. It's verbal, physical, and telepathic all roled into one big messed up ball. Add in more doublethink and doublespeak than you get in "Paranoia", couple that with the fact that every word has a multitude of meanings and you get the yugoloth language. The only people fluent in it are Ultraloths.

They find it much easier to speak Planar Trade or some other language and so they usually do.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Hammerhead 10-22-07, 05:32 PM	Both demons and devils do so why not yugoloths? And what would it be called "yugolothic"? Also why are they not immune to fire if they live in a place full of lava?
Witch 10-22-07, 06:01 PM	Why would creatures with telepathy use languages in verbal speech? Likely, they wouldn't ever. I see Abyssal (and to a lesser degree, Infernal) as languages spoken by the servants of such creatures, or those willing to deal with them, rather than something these creatures speak to one another. Hence, these languages would most often be used in written accounts. But ask yourself - what would a yugoloth win with written accounts? They're mostly evidence that one is lying. Avoiding written accounts as much as possible is quite helpful. There's no need to develop a language of their own for the fairly minor amount of time they write things down.
Taeldrin Laesrash 10-22-07, 06:41 PM	They did have their own back in 2E. It's described in Faces of Evil as being full of double-speak, and a 'loth's command over the language increases with their rank. Mortals can learn it to, but supposedly they'll have to become 'loths to learn it completely.
Thegans 10-22-07, 07:13 PM	Wouldn't the yuggoloth language probably be a form of the dark speech that regualr people need a feat to speak?
Taeldrin Laesrash 10-22-07, 08:45 PM	The Dark Speech seems to be a wacky invention to try to make evil more evil. It's equivalent would be more like the truenames. The Yugoloth language is just that-a language (Though I could be wrong).
Thegans 10-22-07, 08:52 PM	The Dark Speech seems to be a wacky invention to try to make evil more evil. It's equivalent would be more like the truenames. The Yugoloth language is just that-a language (Though I could be wrong). So basically its a rip off of the dark speech in Lord of the Rings. Its just that it kind of seems reasonable sort of like how the archdevils according to the second Fiendish Codex have a language that only they can safely speak.
ArcTan 10-22-07, 09:07 PM	Because the inclusion of Yugoloths is, from a 3e perspective, an afterthought. This is annoying when it comes to things like Neutral Evil Fiendish Animals and what language they speak for the purpose of summoning.
Shemeska the Marauder 10-23-07, 12:36 AM	A lot of outsiders had their own languages in 2e, but 3e in the name of simplification retconned many of them out. 3e had only one language for the upper planes, and only two for the lower planes, and apparently no languages for the more purely Lawful or Chaotic planes, or the TN outsiders, etc. I still have them with their own language, and then older still, I have a specific baernaloth language (which existed in 2e). I treat the baern tongue as inherently magical, with "dark speech" being a broken, child-like use of bits and fragments of it.
Lobsopdoy 10-23-07, 09:45 AM	A lot of outsiders had their own languages in 2e, but 3e in the name of simplification retconned many of them out. 3e had only one language for the upper planes, and only two for the lower planes, and apparently no languages for the more purely Lawful or Chaotic planes, or the TN outsiders, etc. I still have them with their own language, and then older still, I have a specific baernaloth language (which existed in 2e). I treat the baern tongue as inherently magical, with "dark speech" being a broken, child-like use of bits and fragments of it. I always figured that the LN language would be like binary code, personally. Anyway, the Yuguloths probably don't need their own language because most of their culture revolves around interaction with other races and planes.
Deacon Liadon 10-23-07, 02:25 PM	The yugoloth language is fun. It's verbal, physical, and telepathic all roled into one big messed up ball. Add in more doublethink and doublespeak than you get in "Paranoia", couple that with the fact that every word has a multitude of meanings and you get the yugoloth language. The only people fluent in it are Ultraloths. They find it much easier to speak Planar Trade or some other language and so they usually do.