"Splitting" weapon SA from CoR = SNEAK CANNON [Archive] - Wizards Community

"Splitting" weapon SA from CoR = SNEAK CANNON [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
demetri0us
04-09-08, 04:17 PM Hey folks,

Here is a quick question for the DM's out there. Two questions in one really:

Would you allow the "Splitting" weapon special ability from Champions of Ruin? If so, would you allow sneak/skirmish damage to be added to every arrow?

Just in case you don't know the SA, here is the short version:
+3 enhancement - causes the ammunition to split into two, striking the same target but using two separate attack rolls. Basically allowing 3-4 arrow shots to be 6-8 per round.

Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
Malcaor
04-09-08, 05:28 PM about halfway down the page, I posted the same question.

Apparently it does allow the SA on both. Check it out for the reasoning.
demetri0us
04-09-08, 06:02 PM oops!

thanx!
archerpwr
04-13-08, 01:37 AM Hey folks,

Here is a quick question for the DM's out there. Two questions in one really:

Would you allow the "Splitting" weapon special ability from Champions of Ruin? If so, would you allow sneak/skirmish damage to be added to every arrow?

Just in case you don't know the SA, here is the short version:
+3 enhancement - causes the ammunition to split into two, striking the same target but using two separate attack rolls. Basically allowing 3-4 arrow shots to be 6-8 per round.

Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
I wouldn't allow it at a +3 bonus in my games. It's simply too strong. At a +6 bonus (without using epic pricing) it'd be much more reasonable for the effect.
wraithstrike
04-13-08, 03:43 AM I would never allow it in my games. It is completely broken. Imagine having improved manyshot or rapid shot which gets you 4 or 5 arrows then splitting them, and then getting skirmish or sneak attack on every arrow + whatever extra abilities your weapons has, and on top of that arrow can be enchanted so that is even more nonsense, and I almost forgot poison on every arrow. At higher levels monsters are very good at fort saves, but if you make them roll enough times the law of averages eventually forces a nat 1. I ban it for my PC's sake, because if they can do it to my NPC's then my NPC's can do it to them(cuts down on SoD spells).
runestar
04-13-08, 03:50 AM I definitely find it too strong. Consider the speed weapon property, which at +3, just grants you 1 extra attack (and I must still use the full attack option).

At the same price, splitting doubles my normal allotment of attacks (and to top it off, I do not use any extra arrows!). Easily +6 at least (and I am not sure if I should impose epic pricing or not).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
demetri0us 04-09-08, 04:17 PM	Hey folks, Here is a quick question for the DM's out there. Two questions in one really: Would you allow the "Splitting" weapon special ability from Champions of Ruin? If so, would you allow sneak/skirmish damage to be added to every arrow? Just in case you don't know the SA, here is the short version: +3 enhancement - causes the ammunition to split into two, striking the same target but using two separate attack rolls. Basically allowing 3-4 arrow shots to be 6-8 per round. Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
Malcaor 04-09-08, 05:28 PM	about halfway down the page, I posted the same question. Apparently it does allow the SA on both. Check it out for the reasoning.
demetri0us 04-09-08, 06:02 PM	oops! thanx!
archerpwr 04-13-08, 01:37 AM	Hey folks, Here is a quick question for the DM's out there. Two questions in one really: Would you allow the "Splitting" weapon special ability from Champions of Ruin? If so, would you allow sneak/skirmish damage to be added to every arrow? Just in case you don't know the SA, here is the short version: +3 enhancement - causes the ammunition to split into two, striking the same target but using two separate attack rolls. Basically allowing 3-4 arrow shots to be 6-8 per round. Thoughts? Thanks in advance! I wouldn't allow it at a +3 bonus in my games. It's simply too strong. At a +6 bonus (without using epic pricing) it'd be much more reasonable for the effect.
wraithstrike 04-13-08, 03:43 AM	I would never allow it in my games. It is completely broken. Imagine having improved manyshot or rapid shot which gets you 4 or 5 arrows then splitting them, and then getting skirmish or sneak attack on every arrow + whatever extra abilities your weapons has, and on top of that arrow can be enchanted so that is even more nonsense, and I almost forgot poison on every arrow. At higher levels monsters are very good at fort saves, but if you make them roll enough times the law of averages eventually forces a nat 1. I ban it for my PC's sake, because if they can do it to my NPC's then my NPC's can do it to them(cuts down on SoD spells).
runestar 04-13-08, 03:50 AM	I definitely find it too strong. Consider the speed weapon property, which at +3, just grants you 1 extra attack (and I must still use the full attack option). At the same price, splitting doubles my normal allotment of attacks (and to top it off, I do not use any extra arrows!). Easily +6 at least (and I am not sure if I should impose epic pricing or not).