Artificer using infusions on a Monk's fists? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Artificer using infusions on a Monk's fists? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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CaptainPicard
04-05-07, 05:32 PM One of my players asked me if, since a monk's fists count as natural and manufactured weapons, an Artificer can use infusions to enhance them.

I don't really know Eberron or Artificers too well, so I wasn't sure. Can anyone help me?
catsclaw
04-05-07, 06:03 PM One of my players asked me if, since a monk's fists count as natural and manufactured weapons, an Artificer can use infusions to enhance them.You'll get more (and no doubt better) commentary on the Eberron boards, but the consensus seems to be no.

Infusions have a "Target: Object". Monk's fists may count as weapons, but they don't count as objects -- you can't shatter them, for instance. So they're not a valid target for the infusion.
NoldorForce
04-06-07, 03:21 AM Plus, Races of Eberron has a separate line of infusions that do the same line to natural weapons as the base ECS line you're talking about. Considering that artificers have access to their infusions at will, just use them.
Augurer
04-06-07, 05:43 PM Plus, Races of Eberron has a separate line of infusions that do the same line to natural weapons as the base ECS line you're talking about. Considering that artificers have access to their infusions at will, just use them.
This would suggest that, if you don't have that source book, that you can just use the standard infusions that target manufactured weapons on a Monk's fists. It's not really necessary to buy a sourcebook if all you want out of it are infusions you already have text for with a couple words changed.
tos_shai_hulud
04-06-07, 06:00 PM This would suggest that, if you don't have that source book, that you can just use the standard infusions that target manufactured weapons on a Monk's fists. It's not really necessary to buy a sourcebook if all you want out of it are infusions you already have text for with a couple words changed.

It is more than a couple of words. It is also the infusion level. I believe they increase the level of the infusion by one, but possibly by two in some cases (I don't have the book with me to check it out.)

As a general rule, if you want to use an infusion on natural weapons, your best bet is to increase the level of the infusion by at least one.
Marcus Majarra
04-08-07, 04:15 AM By definition, a monk's unarmed strike counts as a manufactured weapon. Just as the monk's unarmed strike can be targetted by a magic weapon spell, so can it be affected by any infusion that targets manufactured weapons, like personal weapon augmentation.
tos_shai_hulud
04-08-07, 10:54 AM By definition, a monk's unarmed strike counts as a manufactured weapon. Just as the monk's unarmed strike can be targetted by a magic weapon spell, so can it be affected by any infusion that targets manufactured weapons, like personal weapon augmentation.

You are correct. After catsclaw's post, I didn't bother to check on it. All of the weapon augmentation infusions say Target: Weapon Touched, not Target: Object.
NoldorForce
04-08-07, 01:38 PM It is more than a couple of words. It is also the infusion level. I believe they increase the level of the infusion by one, but possibly by two in some cases (I don't have the book with me to check it out.)

As a general rule, if you want to use an infusion on natural weapons, your best bet is to increase the level of the infusion by at least one.Except for the natural/manufactured weapons distinction, they're nearly identical.* Plus, the Natural Weapon Augmentation line only affects a single natural weapon, making it weaker in all cases except for the unarmed strike. And even then, as above, the Weapon Augmentation line can be used as well.

*Personal NWA has a shorter duration than Personal WA, and warforged get +1 CL when using the NWA line.
catsclaw
04-09-07, 02:46 PM You are correct. After catsclaw's post, I didn't bother to check on it. All of the weapon augmentation infusions say Target: Weapon Touched, not Target: Object.Serves us both right. I pulled my info from http://boards1.wizards.com/archive/index.php/t-694485.html (which I could only get from Google's cache, as I never figured out how to get to the archived discussions from the Wizard's boards. Thanks, Wizards!)

And now, of course, it seems to have been scrubbed from Google as well. I don't know what Wizards did to their archive, but they've really seriously screwed it up.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
CaptainPicard 04-05-07, 05:32 PM	One of my players asked me if, since a monk's fists count as natural and manufactured weapons, an Artificer can use infusions to enhance them. I don't really know Eberron or Artificers too well, so I wasn't sure. Can anyone help me?
catsclaw 04-05-07, 06:03 PM	One of my players asked me if, since a monk's fists count as natural and manufactured weapons, an Artificer can use infusions to enhance them.You'll get more (and no doubt better) commentary on the Eberron boards, but the consensus seems to be no. Infusions have a "Target: Object". Monk's fists may count as weapons, but they don't count as objects -- you can't shatter them, for instance. So they're not a valid target for the infusion.
NoldorForce 04-06-07, 03:21 AM	Plus, Races of Eberron has a separate line of infusions that do the same line to natural weapons as the base ECS line you're talking about. Considering that artificers have access to their infusions at will, just use them.
Augurer 04-06-07, 05:43 PM	Plus, Races of Eberron has a separate line of infusions that do the same line to natural weapons as the base ECS line you're talking about. Considering that artificers have access to their infusions at will, just use them. This would suggest that, if you don't have that source book, that you can just use the standard infusions that target manufactured weapons on a Monk's fists. It's not really necessary to buy a sourcebook if all you want out of it are infusions you already have text for with a couple words changed.
tos_shai_hulud 04-06-07, 06:00 PM	This would suggest that, if you don't have that source book, that you can just use the standard infusions that target manufactured weapons on a Monk's fists. It's not really necessary to buy a sourcebook if all you want out of it are infusions you already have text for with a couple words changed. It is more than a couple of words. It is also the infusion level. I believe they increase the level of the infusion by one, but possibly by two in some cases (I don't have the book with me to check it out.) As a general rule, if you want to use an infusion on natural weapons, your best bet is to increase the level of the infusion by at least one.
Marcus Majarra 04-08-07, 04:15 AM	By definition, a monk's unarmed strike counts as a manufactured weapon. Just as the monk's unarmed strike can be targetted by a magic weapon spell, so can it be affected by any infusion that targets manufactured weapons, like personal weapon augmentation.
tos_shai_hulud 04-08-07, 10:54 AM	By definition, a monk's unarmed strike counts as a manufactured weapon. Just as the monk's unarmed strike can be targetted by a magic weapon spell, so can it be affected by any infusion that targets manufactured weapons, like personal weapon augmentation. You are correct. After catsclaw's post, I didn't bother to check on it. All of the weapon augmentation infusions say Target: Weapon Touched, not Target: Object.
NoldorForce 04-08-07, 01:38 PM	It is more than a couple of words. It is also the infusion level. I believe they increase the level of the infusion by one, but possibly by two in some cases (I don't have the book with me to check it out.) As a general rule, if you want to use an infusion on natural weapons, your best bet is to increase the level of the infusion by at least one.Except for the natural/manufactured weapons distinction, they're nearly identical.* Plus, the Natural Weapon Augmentation line only affects a single natural weapon, making it weaker in all cases except for the unarmed strike. And even then, as above, the Weapon Augmentation line can be used as well. *Personal NWA has a shorter duration than Personal WA, and warforged get +1 CL when using the NWA line.
catsclaw 04-09-07, 02:46 PM	You are correct. After catsclaw's post, I didn't bother to check on it. All of the weapon augmentation infusions say Target: Weapon Touched, not Target: Object.Serves us both right. I pulled my info from http://boards1.wizards.com/archive/index.php/t-694485.html (which I could only get from Google's cache, as I never figured out how to get to the archived discussions from the Wizard's boards. Thanks, Wizards!) And now, of course, it seems to have been scrubbed from Google as well. I don't know what Wizards did to their archive, but they've really seriously screwed it up.