Chained Dispel and Ring of Counterspell [Archive] - Wizards Community

Chained Dispel and Ring of Counterspell [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Werebat
08-28-07, 08:35 PM (Asked on another forum but no one answered)

Wizard A is wearing a Ring of Counterspells with Greater Dispel Magic in it.

Wizard B casts a Chained Greater Dispel Magic on Fighter A, causing the spell to also leap to other people including Wizard A, who is wearing a Ring of Counterspells with Greater Dispel Magic in it.

What happens? Does the ring counter the entire chained spell so that it doesn't affect anyone else? Does it only counter the chain effect that targets Wizard A?

I'm not sure what the answer should be.

- Ron ^*^
StevenO
08-28-07, 10:40 PM First there is no question the chain ends with Wizard A as the ring counterspells the spell. My thought on the big picture is that because it is included in the spell effect, which triggers it, will cancel the entire thing. One of the vulnerabilities of metamagiced spells is they can still be countered by the basic version.
PhaedrusXY
08-29-07, 12:23 AM One of the vulnerabilities of metamagiced spells is they can still be countered by the basic version.Exactly. The entire spell is countered.
Werebat
08-29-07, 06:56 PM Exactly. The entire spell is countered.

OK, I guess I find it confusing because Chain spell specifically says that it chains AFTER hitting the primary target (the implication being that if the primary target isn't hit then the chained spell can't arc). Does this mean that the fighter is hit, then the dispel arcs to the wizard, who counters it, and then it arcs back to the fighter and UN-dispels his effects?

- Ron ^*^
StevenO
08-29-07, 09:19 PM That would certainly be one way of looking at it. "The chained spell lashes out at its intended target and arcs it way to the secondary targets. But wait, before the spell finishes its work something fights back from one of the secondary targets flowing back upstream to you ruining your entire spell." Dispel Magic all occurs intantaneously which means none of the effect goes before the entire thing gets ruined.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Werebat 08-28-07, 08:35 PM	(Asked on another forum but no one answered) Wizard A is wearing a Ring of Counterspells with Greater Dispel Magic in it. Wizard B casts a Chained Greater Dispel Magic on Fighter A, causing the spell to also leap to other people including Wizard A, who is wearing a Ring of Counterspells with Greater Dispel Magic in it. What happens? Does the ring counter the entire chained spell so that it doesn't affect anyone else? Does it only counter the chain effect that targets Wizard A? I'm not sure what the answer should be. - Ron ^*^
StevenO 08-28-07, 10:40 PM	First there is no question the chain ends with Wizard A as the ring counterspells the spell. My thought on the big picture is that because it is included in the spell effect, which triggers it, will cancel the entire thing. One of the vulnerabilities of metamagiced spells is they can still be countered by the basic version.
PhaedrusXY 08-29-07, 12:23 AM	One of the vulnerabilities of metamagiced spells is they can still be countered by the basic version.Exactly. The entire spell is countered.
Werebat 08-29-07, 06:56 PM	Exactly. The entire spell is countered. OK, I guess I find it confusing because Chain spell specifically says that it chains AFTER hitting the primary target (the implication being that if the primary target isn't hit then the chained spell can't arc). Does this mean that the fighter is hit, then the dispel arcs to the wizard, who counters it, and then it arcs back to the fighter and UN-dispels his effects? - Ron ^*^
StevenO 08-29-07, 09:19 PM	That would certainly be one way of looking at it. "The chained spell lashes out at its intended target and arcs it way to the secondary targets. But wait, before the spell finishes its work something fights back from one of the secondary targets flowing back upstream to you ruining your entire spell." Dispel Magic all occurs intantaneously which means none of the effect goes before the entire thing gets ruined.