Post/Author/DateTime	Post
sblaxman 04-16-08, 07:46 PM	Simple question, should be easily answerable... When attacking, and a critical hit is rolled, but the roll would not hit the target, is it a miss, or do you roll to confirm a crit? On a 20, it's a hit either way (if you are playing Nat20 = hit). However, w/ feats and some weapons, you can get a large crit range (14-20). Example. PC Bob needs to roll a 18 to hit BBEG. His weapon has a 14-20 crit range. He rolls a 17. This is in the crit range, but outside of the hit range. 99% sure it's a swing and a miss, but wanted to check. Thanks
Wih 04-16-08, 08:07 PM	Simple question, should be easily answerable... When attacking, and a critical hit is rolled, but the roll would not hit the target, is it a miss, or do you roll to confirm a crit? On a 20, it's a hit either way (if you are playing Nat20 = hit). However, w/ feats and some weapons, you can get a large crit range (14-20). Example. PC Bob needs to roll a 18 to hit BBEG. His weapon has a 14-20 crit range. He rolls a 17. This is in the crit range, but outside of the hit range. 99% sure it's a swing and a miss, but wanted to check. Thanks His attack roll misses, and the potential critical threat is wasted. This is why large threat ranges aren't technically as good as large crit nubmers - you still have to be able to hit them on the lower threat numbers.
sblaxman 04-16-08, 11:28 PM	Hehe, I figured. Ususally just use the ad&d 20 crit only style play. I was 99.9% sure, but that 0.1% bugged me.
Lilinthra 04-17-08, 09:36 AM	When attacking, and a critical hit is rolled, but the roll would not hit the target, is it a miss, or do you roll to confirm a crit? On a 20, it's a hit either way (if you are playing Nat20 = hit). However, w/ feats and some weapons, you can get a large crit range (14-20). Just confirming, what was the weapon and crit range extension here? This probably should be 15-20.
sblaxman 04-17-08, 02:16 PM	Perhaps, the situation was hypothetical
Half_Dragon_Infernal 04-17-08, 11:29 PM	It's actually impossible for a 14-20. Lets count the numbers: 14,15,16,17,18,19,20 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 numbers All effects that increase the crit range on a weapon double it. Maximum base crit range is 3. Odd numbers x 2 = Even numbers, which exclude 7. As far as I know, no effects known to men on earth, the solar system, milky way galaxy, local galaxy cluster, vergo supercluster that increase crit range stack anyways.
Wih 04-18-08, 12:04 AM	It's actually impossible for a 14-20. Lets count the numbers: 14,15,16,17,18,19,20 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 numbers All effects that increase the crit range on a weapon double it. Maximum base crit range is 3. Odd numbers x 2 = Even numbers, which exclude 7. As far as I know, no effects known to men on earth, the solar system, milky way galaxy, local galaxy cluster, vergo supercluster that increase crit range stack anyways. There are effects out there that add an extra 1 to the crit range, such as Psionic Weapon Master.
Lilinthra 04-18-08, 07:20 AM	Perhaps, the situation was hypothetical Fair enough. I figured that since you were using keen/improved critical/whatever in the example that it was from an actual player's weapon.
sblaxman 04-18-08, 06:35 PM	Honestly I just wrote down a range, it wasn't a character or anything is specific, just a general situation. Thanks for the reply though, answered the question.
Half_Dragon_Infernal 04-18-08, 07:25 PM	And the range you wrote down is possible with a keen scimitar wielded by a person manifesting psionic weapon.