EL to CR to XP [Archive] - Wizards Community

EL to CR to XP [Archive] - Wizards Community

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RossMills
02-26-08, 01:36 PM I have the table for single monster challenge ratings and their XP.
I have the table for multiple monster challenge ratings and their encounter level.
Where's the table for XP based on Encounter Level, especially if it's a non-combat encounter, such as those in bought adventures?
Merestil Haye
02-26-08, 03:18 PM I have the table for single monster challenge ratings and their XP.
I have the table for multiple monster challenge ratings and their encounter level.
Where's the table for XP based on Encounter Level, especially if it's a non-combat encounter, such as those in bought adventures?There is no such table.

All XP calculations are made on the basis of each single challenge overcome. If the PCs defeat a CR8 and a CR10, you don't give them xp for overcoming an EL 11 challenge. You give them the xp for overcoming a CR10 challenge and a CR8 challenge.
RossMills
02-26-08, 03:22 PM There is no such table.

All XP calculations are made on the basis of each single challenge overcome. If the PCs defeat a CR8 and a CR10, you don't give them xp for overcoming an EL 11 challenge. You give them the xp for overcoming a CR10 challenge and a CR8 challenge.

What if there is no monster?

For example, the first encounter in "Shadows of the Last War" is EL1, but there is not a single monster to be fought, nor trap overcome. It is simply a roleplay mystery.
Heros_Backpack
02-26-08, 03:45 PM What if there is no monster?

For example, the first encounter in "Shadows of the Last War" is EL1, but there is not a single monster to be fought, nor trap overcome. It is simply a roleplay mystery.

For published adventures, in the encounters that the PCs are expected to earn xp from, you will usually see a small section that says something like:

AD-HOC XP AWARD - if the party does or achieves XXX, award them experience as if they had defeated a CR X creature.

Otherwise, how much experience the PCs earn from a non-combat encounter is up to the DM running that encounter.
Run51101
02-26-08, 03:51 PM IMHO:

Its up to you. I've always been a little upset that WotC didn't give any suggestions on how to reward xp to roleplaying encounters. In the end you have to set up your own system on how you will reward the players with xp for their non combat encounters and stick with that system the reminder of the time you play with that group. (Consistency is very important in D&D rules.)

I suggest thinking about these items in to consideration:
1. How hard did they work to accomplish what ever it is they are trying to to.
Did they use skills such as bluff and disguise to trick the Orc guard into letting them into the Orc Temple or did they bribe the city guard to look the other way so they could ambush a group of kobolds for starting a fight with them in the local tavern?

2.Did they do things you never saw coming or did they take the easy way out by doing the obvious.

3. Did they stick to their alignment while dealing with NPCs, each other and monsters,

Those are just a few ideas on what you can do to gauge what a xp reward from rolplaying could be.

As I said, thats just MHO.. That's what I like to do, but everybody does things differently, especially the stuff in the gray areas of D&D.
StevenO
02-26-08, 04:44 PM What if there is no monster?

For example, the first encounter in "Shadows of the Last War" is EL1, but there is not a single monster to be fought, nor trap overcome. It is simply a roleplay mystery.
In addition to the EL an encounter would have a CR and often times the non-moster/trap portion of the EL counts as a CR to make up the difference. With an encounter that is just assigned an EL you should assume the CR is the same and award XP accordingly.

There may be no universal way to determine the CR of what is normally considered a "role playing" encounter but it should be determined based on the difficulty of any rolls needed to overcome it. I don't know what such a table would look like but if the PCs need to overcome a DC X that should count as some CR x and as the DC goes up so would the assigned CR. I'd guess a DC 20 requirement may merit a low CR (1 or less) with the CR going up slowly as the DC increases.
deduke
02-29-08, 03:43 AM If the book lists an EL 1 social encounter i would award them XP for overcomming a CR 1 creature. From my experience this goed pretty well when running printed adventures.

I would not let the dc of some check dictate how much xp the group gets, the important part is if they overcome the encounter, if they get the required xp from the npc they get full xp, if they only get partial information they might get half xp.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
RossMills 02-26-08, 01:36 PM	I have the table for single monster challenge ratings and their XP. I have the table for multiple monster challenge ratings and their encounter level. Where's the table for XP based on Encounter Level, especially if it's a non-combat encounter, such as those in bought adventures?
Merestil Haye 02-26-08, 03:18 PM	I have the table for single monster challenge ratings and their XP. I have the table for multiple monster challenge ratings and their encounter level. Where's the table for XP based on Encounter Level, especially if it's a non-combat encounter, such as those in bought adventures?There is no such table. All XP calculations are made on the basis of each single challenge overcome. If the PCs defeat a CR8 and a CR10, you don't give them xp for overcoming an EL 11 challenge. You give them the xp for overcoming a CR10 challenge and a CR8 challenge.
RossMills 02-26-08, 03:22 PM	There is no such table. All XP calculations are made on the basis of each single challenge overcome. If the PCs defeat a CR8 and a CR10, you don't give them xp for overcoming an EL 11 challenge. You give them the xp for overcoming a CR10 challenge and a CR8 challenge. What if there is no monster? For example, the first encounter in "Shadows of the Last War" is EL1, but there is not a single monster to be fought, nor trap overcome. It is simply a roleplay mystery.
Heros_Backpack 02-26-08, 03:45 PM	What if there is no monster? For example, the first encounter in "Shadows of the Last War" is EL1, but there is not a single monster to be fought, nor trap overcome. It is simply a roleplay mystery. For published adventures, in the encounters that the PCs are expected to earn xp from, you will usually see a small section that says something like: AD-HOC XP AWARD - if the party does or achieves XXX, award them experience as if they had defeated a CR X creature. Otherwise, how much experience the PCs earn from a non-combat encounter is up to the DM running that encounter.
Run51101 02-26-08, 03:51 PM	IMHO: Its up to you. I've always been a little upset that WotC didn't give any suggestions on how to reward xp to roleplaying encounters. In the end you have to set up your own system on how you will reward the players with xp for their non combat encounters and stick with that system the reminder of the time you play with that group. (Consistency is very important in D&D rules.) I suggest thinking about these items in to consideration: 1. How hard did they work to accomplish what ever it is they are trying to to. Did they use skills such as bluff and disguise to trick the Orc guard into letting them into the Orc Temple or did they bribe the city guard to look the other way so they could ambush a group of kobolds for starting a fight with them in the local tavern? 2.Did they do things you never saw coming or did they take the easy way out by doing the obvious. 3. Did they stick to their alignment while dealing with NPCs, each other and monsters, Those are just a few ideas on what you can do to gauge what a xp reward from rolplaying could be. As I said, thats just MHO.. That's what I like to do, but everybody does things differently, especially the stuff in the gray areas of D&D.
StevenO 02-26-08, 04:44 PM	What if there is no monster? For example, the first encounter in "Shadows of the Last War" is EL1, but there is not a single monster to be fought, nor trap overcome. It is simply a roleplay mystery. In addition to the EL an encounter would have a CR and often times the non-moster/trap portion of the EL counts as a CR to make up the difference. With an encounter that is just assigned an EL you should assume the CR is the same and award XP accordingly. There may be no universal way to determine the CR of what is normally considered a "role playing" encounter but it should be determined based on the difficulty of any rolls needed to overcome it. I don't know what such a table would look like but if the PCs need to overcome a DC X that should count as some CR x and as the DC goes up so would the assigned CR. I'd guess a DC 20 requirement may merit a low CR (1 or less) with the CR going up slowly as the DC increases.
deduke 02-29-08, 03:43 AM	If the book lists an EL 1 social encounter i would award them XP for overcomming a CR 1 creature. From my experience this goed pretty well when running printed adventures. I would not let the dc of some check dictate how much xp the group gets, the important part is if they overcome the encounter, if they get the required xp from the npc they get full xp, if they only get partial information they might get half xp.