Extended Produce Flame, Vigor [Archive] - Wizards Community

Extended Produce Flame, Vigor [Archive] - Wizards Community

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pmurray@bigpond.com
03-12-08, 10:23 PM The amount of attacks you can make off a Produce Flame spell is taken from the time it lasts. Would an extended produce flame allow double the amount of attacks?

Would an extended Vigor heal twice the amount of damage?
Someone
03-13-08, 01:35 AM Yes, and yes.

Hm... persistent produce flame... that's 1440 shots! (technically, 1296 shots, as its going to take you over two hours to fire off all of them, thus leaving you with less consumable duration.)
deduke
03-13-08, 10:45 AM You can extend vigor but it has a maximum duration, that maximum duration won't double with extend spell.
The answer is in the FAQ

The vigor series of spells (found in Complete Divine)
raise an interesting question. Does the built-in maximum
duration of each spell limitation override the effect of the
Extend Spell feat?
Yes. Extend Spell still increases the spell’s duration, but
only up to the spell’s listed maximum duration. Use either the
normal maximum duration or the doubled duration, whichever
is less. If a 7th-level druid used Extend Spell on her vigor spell,
the duration could not increase beyond 25 rounds.
Merestil Haye
03-13-08, 10:52 AM The amount of attacks you can make off a Produce Flame spell is taken from the time it lasts. Would an extended produce flame allow double the amount of attacks?Yes. Produce Flame's remaining duration is reduced by 1 minute each time you make an attack. There's no cap on the number of minutes.

Would an extended Vigor heal twice the amount of damage?Maybe.

The Vigor line of spells have a duration (in rounds per level) and a cap on how long the spell lasts. An Extended Vigor has twice the duration, but not a doubled cap. If the Extended Vigor would last longer than the cap permits, the duration that exceeds the cap limit is lost.

For example, a Vigor cast by a 7th level cleric would last 17 rounds. An Extended vigor would normally last twice that, but Vigor has a cap of 25 rounds duration that is not doubled by Extend Spell. So the Extended Vigor would last only 25 rounds.

Since the spell heals the same damage each round it's easy to see that the Extended spell does not heal twice the damage of the regular one. Pretty much any Vigor spell runs up against this cap when Extended.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
pmurray@bigpond.com 03-12-08, 10:23 PM	The amount of attacks you can make off a Produce Flame spell is taken from the time it lasts. Would an extended produce flame allow double the amount of attacks? Would an extended Vigor heal twice the amount of damage?
Someone 03-13-08, 01:35 AM	Yes, and yes. Hm... persistent produce flame... that's 1440 shots! (technically, 1296 shots, as its going to take you over two hours to fire off all of them, thus leaving you with less consumable duration.)
deduke 03-13-08, 10:45 AM	You can extend vigor but it has a maximum duration, that maximum duration won't double with extend spell. The answer is in the FAQ The vigor series of spells (found in Complete Divine) raise an interesting question. Does the built-in maximum duration of each spell limitation override the effect of the Extend Spell feat? Yes. Extend Spell still increases the spell’s duration, but only up to the spell’s listed maximum duration. Use either the normal maximum duration or the doubled duration, whichever is less. If a 7th-level druid used Extend Spell on her vigor spell, the duration could not increase beyond 25 rounds.
Merestil Haye 03-13-08, 10:52 AM	The amount of attacks you can make off a Produce Flame spell is taken from the time it lasts. Would an extended produce flame allow double the amount of attacks?Yes. Produce Flame's remaining duration is reduced by 1 minute each time you make an attack. There's no cap on the number of minutes. Would an extended Vigor heal twice the amount of damage?Maybe. The Vigor line of spells have a duration (in rounds per level) and a cap on how long the spell lasts. An Extended Vigor has twice the duration, but not a doubled cap. If the Extended Vigor would last longer than the cap permits, the duration that exceeds the cap limit is lost. For example, a Vigor cast by a 7th level cleric would last 17 rounds. An Extended vigor would normally last twice that, but Vigor has a cap of 25 rounds duration that is not doubled by Extend Spell. So the Extended Vigor would last only 25 rounds. Since the spell heals the same damage each round it's easy to see that the Extended spell does not heal twice the damage of the regular one. Pretty much any Vigor spell runs up against this cap when Extended.