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Arr MiHardies
06-14-07, 02:36 PM I saw in the stormwrack book that a scout who has a racial swim speed could instead apply his fast movement advancement to his swim speed. Is there any reason a race with a racial fly speed could not do the same?
TwiddleStootch
06-14-07, 03:29 PM That depends on the Fast Movement:

Barbarian:
"A barbarian’s land speed is faster than the norm for his race by +10 feet. "

So that only works for land speed.

Where as Haste Says:
"All of the hasted creature’s modes of movement (including land movement, burrow, climb, fly, and swim) increase by 30 feet, to a maximum of twice the subject’s normal speed using that form of movement. This increase counts as an enhancement bonus, and it affects the creature’s jumping distance as normal for increased speed."

So it depends on the wording of that version of Fast Movement.

Like the Monk:
"At 3rd level, a monk gains an enhancement bonus to her speed, as shown on Table: The Monk. "

That would be a increases to all speed, not just land.
Phrennzy
06-14-07, 03:40 PM If the race in question was a naturally aerial or aquatic race, I'd allow them to take the Barbarian class and apply the +10' to their fly/swim speed, as that is their normal mode of movement.

If it was just a human barbarian/wizard who cast alter self to give himself wings, I would not apply the +10' to his fly speed.
Arr MiHardies
06-14-07, 05:14 PM If the race in question was a naturally aerial or aquatic race, I'd allow them to take the Barbarian class and apply the +10' to their fly/swim speed, as that is their normal mode of movement.

If it was just a human barbarian/wizard who cast alter self to give himself wings, I would not apply the +10' to his fly speed.

The character in question is a raptoran scout, so we are talking about the scout version of fast movement, which, i believe is identical to the barbarian version in that it applies to land speed. The reason I bring this up, is that, as mentioned, I saw in the stormwrack book that races with natural swim speeds can choose to apply this increase to their swim speed. And though the cover of the stormwrack book says its a resource for wind and water (though I see very little about wind), I was just wondering why a race with a natural fly speed like a raptoran could not take this.

I would of course, require the raptoran to be capable of actual flight first (not just gliding) so the first increase to speed would have to be applied towards land speed, but subsequent ones after the raptoran had reached level five (and gained true flight, limited though it is until lvl 10) could be applied towards their flight speed.
Anathema
06-14-07, 09:06 PM Seems like this one would be up to the DM.

I would probably rule that as the Scout listing specifies 'land speed', then it is land speed that is increased; especially as there are other movement enhancements that specifically state it's any or every movement mode.

A rule being in Stormwrack that says a creature can take their bonus land speed improvement and apply it to other movement modes they have, this gives you a basis as a DM to allow it if you so choose. This is inherently an optional rule, however, and you're free to interpret it as you wish.
Borris
06-17-07, 04:42 AM Note that the rule in Stormwrack is some sort of alternate class feature. If you choose to apply the scout's fast movement bonus to your raptoran's flight speed, then you won't gain any increase to your land speed. And you won't be able to change that choice later.
Arr MiHardies
06-17-07, 12:02 PM Note that the rule in Stormwrack is some sort of alternate class feature. If you choose to apply the scout's fast movement bonus to your raptoran's flight speed, then you won't gain any increase to your land speed. And you won't be able to change that choice later.

That is completely understood, and I have no issue with that. Even with only the first one being applied to land, Im still faster than most my allies and enemies.
weasel0
06-20-07, 07:20 PM In theory, you could apply it to your future flight speed. It won't let you fly any sooner, but once you can fly(naturally) it'll already be faster.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Arr MiHardies 06-14-07, 02:36 PM	I saw in the stormwrack book that a scout who has a racial swim speed could instead apply his fast movement advancement to his swim speed. Is there any reason a race with a racial fly speed could not do the same?
TwiddleStootch 06-14-07, 03:29 PM	That depends on the Fast Movement: Barbarian: "A barbarian’s land speed is faster than the norm for his race by +10 feet. " So that only works for land speed. Where as Haste Says: "All of the hasted creature’s modes of movement (including land movement, burrow, climb, fly, and swim) increase by 30 feet, to a maximum of twice the subject’s normal speed using that form of movement. This increase counts as an enhancement bonus, and it affects the creature’s jumping distance as normal for increased speed." So it depends on the wording of that version of Fast Movement. Like the Monk: "At 3rd level, a monk gains an enhancement bonus to her speed, as shown on Table: The Monk. " That would be a increases to all speed, not just land.
Phrennzy 06-14-07, 03:40 PM	If the race in question was a naturally aerial or aquatic race, I'd allow them to take the Barbarian class and apply the +10' to their fly/swim speed, as that is their normal mode of movement. If it was just a human barbarian/wizard who cast alter self to give himself wings, I would not apply the +10' to his fly speed.
Arr MiHardies 06-14-07, 05:14 PM	If the race in question was a naturally aerial or aquatic race, I'd allow them to take the Barbarian class and apply the +10' to their fly/swim speed, as that is their normal mode of movement. If it was just a human barbarian/wizard who cast alter self to give himself wings, I would not apply the +10' to his fly speed. The character in question is a raptoran scout, so we are talking about the scout version of fast movement, which, i believe is identical to the barbarian version in that it applies to land speed. The reason I bring this up, is that, as mentioned, I saw in the stormwrack book that races with natural swim speeds can choose to apply this increase to their swim speed. And though the cover of the stormwrack book says its a resource for wind and water (though I see very little about wind), I was just wondering why a race with a natural fly speed like a raptoran could not take this. I would of course, require the raptoran to be capable of actual flight first (not just gliding) so the first increase to speed would have to be applied towards land speed, but subsequent ones after the raptoran had reached level five (and gained true flight, limited though it is until lvl 10) could be applied towards their flight speed.
Anathema 06-14-07, 09:06 PM	Seems like this one would be up to the DM. I would probably rule that as the Scout listing specifies 'land speed', then it is land speed that is increased; especially as there are other movement enhancements that specifically state it's any or every movement mode. A rule being in Stormwrack that says a creature can take their bonus land speed improvement and apply it to other movement modes they have, this gives you a basis as a DM to allow it if you so choose. This is inherently an optional rule, however, and you're free to interpret it as you wish.
Borris 06-17-07, 04:42 AM	Note that the rule in Stormwrack is some sort of alternate class feature. If you choose to apply the scout's fast movement bonus to your raptoran's flight speed, then you won't gain any increase to your land speed. And you won't be able to change that choice later.
Arr MiHardies 06-17-07, 12:02 PM	Note that the rule in Stormwrack is some sort of alternate class feature. If you choose to apply the scout's fast movement bonus to your raptoran's flight speed, then you won't gain any increase to your land speed. And you won't be able to change that choice later. That is completely understood, and I have no issue with that. Even with only the first one being applied to land, Im still faster than most my allies and enemies.
weasel0 06-20-07, 07:20 PM	In theory, you could apply it to your future flight speed. It won't let you fly any sooner, but once you can fly(naturally) it'll already be faster.