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Bort333
04-22-07, 03:16 PM A couple of rules questions regarding mounted combat.

1. If your mounted on a dragon can you use spirited charge and have your mount do a fly by attack?

2. a. If you do a ride by attack or spirited charge but your mount does not do an attack can an AoO be done against the mount?

2. b. If you do a ride by attack or spirited charge and have a passanger on the back of the horse/dragon can the creatue make an AoO on the passanger?

3. Can you make a ride check to protect a passanger on your mount like you would to protect your mount by using your ride check for AC?
tos_shai_hulud
04-22-07, 03:24 PM 1. Yes, the mount will earn an attack of opportunity, as normal for Flyby Attack. The spirited charge would be adjudicated as normal.

2a. Since Ride-By Attack does not provoke an attack of opportunity, no, the opponent cannot take an attack of opportunity against either of you.

2b. Yes, your passenger's movement is not protected by any feats that you may have. Combat is resolved separately for him.

3. While this does make sense, and I would allow it, by the RAW, no, you may not. Mounted Combat only allows you to protect your mount from a potentially deadly blow, not any passengers. In fact, fighting with passengers may be difficult, as you are trying not to knock them off during the heat of battle.
Bort333
04-22-07, 03:54 PM Thanks for the quick answers!

3. While this does make sense, and I would allow it, by the RAW, no, you may not. Mounted Combat only allows you to protect your mount from a potentially deadly blow, not any passengers. In fact, fighting with passengers may be difficult, as you are trying not to knock them off during the heat of battle.

Hmm maybe adding +5 to the DC of all ride checks while you have a passanger would be a good house rule?

As for allowing the protection of the passanger, I think I'll allow that but if they use there ride skill to do AC instead there be a -5 penalty or -10 penalty to do it.
tos_shai_hulud
04-22-07, 04:03 PM You might even be getting into the squeezing rules of combat (since you are both occupying the same space on the mount). This would impose a -4 to attack and a -4 to AC for both rider and passenger.

+5 is a rather severe penalty. Looking at other penalties, +2 is a normal one. +5 is used for extreme penalties. I am not certain how much more difficult it would be to ride with a passenger as without. Fight, yes, ride, I'm not sure.
Marcus Majarra
04-22-07, 04:52 PM 1. If your mounted on a dragon can you use spirited charge and have your mount do a fly by attack?

2. a. If you do a ride by attack or spirited charge but your mount does not do an attack can an AoO be done against the mount?

2. b. If you do a ride by attack or spirited charge and have a passanger on the back of the horse/dragon can the creatue make an AoO on the passanger?

3. Can you make a ride check to protect a passanger on your mount like you would to protect your mount by using your ride check for AC?

1. The Fly-by Attack feat is of no importance in this scenario, as it pertains to taking a standard action while taking a move action. When you're charging, you're not taking move actions at all. When you're mounted and you want to charge, it's basically your mount charging. At the end of its charge, both the mount and yourself can make the attack and gain the benefits of the charge. If the rider has the Ride-by Attack feat, he can make his attack during the course of the mount's movement. The rules are not clear as to whether the mount is also allowed to make its attack in the middle of movement. It's safer to assume that it doesn't.

2a. There's no such thing as making a Ride-by Attack or a Spirited Charge. These are simply two feats that mostly benefit the rider. When you're mounted, your mount is charging and both of you can attack at the end of the charge. With Ride-by Attack, the rider is allowed to attack an opponent while the mount is still moving, and neither the rider or the mount provokes AoOs for movement from this opponent.

2b. According to the RAW, yes, the passenger provokes an attack of opportunity from the opponent attacked. Technically, there's no such thing as a passenger on a mount; only additional riders. If the "passenger" had the Ride-by Attack feat, he wouldn't provoke the AoO.

3. No, you cannot protect another rider with your own feats. The other rider can attempt to protect himself, however. He can use the mount for cover, for example.
tos_shai_hulud
04-22-07, 05:28 PM 1. The Fly-by Attack feat is of no importance in this scenario, as it pertains to taking a standard action while taking a move action. When you're charging, you're not taking move actions at all. When you're mounted and you want to charge, it's basically your mount charging. At the end of its charge, both the mount and yourself can make the attack and gain the benefits of the charge. If the rider has the Ride-by Attack feat, he can make his attack during the course of the mount's movement. The rules are not clear as to whether the mount is also allowed to make its attack in the middle of movement. It's safer to assume that it doesn't.

Marcus Majarra brings up good points here. I would have to agree with him. Except for the part about the Mount not being able to make an attack. From the text of Ride-by Attack:

When you are mounted and use the charge action, you may move and attack as if with a standard charge and then move again (continuing the straight line of the charge). Your total movement for the round can’t exceed double your mounted speed. You and your mount do not provoke an attack of opportunity from the opponent that you attack.

The portion I emphasized indicates that it is treated as a standard charge, which as Marcus explained, the rider AND mount may make attacks.
MarkB
04-22-07, 06:38 PM The portion I emphasized indicates that it is treated as a standard charge, which as Marcus explained, the rider AND mount may make attacks.
Except that it says you may move and attack as if with a standard charge, not you and your mount may do so.
tos_shai_hulud
04-22-07, 06:48 PM Except that it says you may move and attack as if with a standard charge, not you and your mount may do so.

True, but that may be implied:

Your mount acts on your initiative count as you direct it.

If you are directing it to attack, I see no reason why it shouldn't. Directing your mount to attack at the end of your charge is something that you would be able to do on a standard charge. And if you treat the change as a standard charge, your mount may, as well, automatically. This is where it gets into grey area. It is really up to the DM whether to allow it or not. I would allow it if the mount had spring attack or fly-by attack (for aerial combat).
Marcus Majarra
04-22-07, 07:17 PM Except that you're not directing your mount to attack at the end of your charge. You're directing your mount to simply charge (which implies an attack at the end of movement), and you're reaping the benefits by making an attack at the end of your mount's charge, as written under mounted combat.

In any case, Ride-by Attack is already wonky enough in that it's virtually impossible to perform such a charge. Remember that when you charge, you move in a straight line towards your target. To use Ride-by Attack, you need to be able to continue your movement after striking your target, which is rather unfeasible if you're moving straight towards your target (unless you can somehow move through your target's squares).
tos_shai_hulud
04-22-07, 07:39 PM If the mount has spring attack or fly-by attack (for aerial attacks), I see no reason why it could not make an attack during a charge action (as I stated above).

When using the attack action with a melee weapon, you can move both before and after the attack, provided that your total distance moved is not greater than your speed. Moving in this way does not provoke an attack of opportunity from the defender you attack, though it might provoke attacks of opportunity from other creatures, if appropriate. You can’t use this feat if you are wearing heavy armor.

Nothing in the Spring Attack feat would inhibit the mount's ability to make an attack during the charge (unless the mount moved beyond one time its movement).
Icewraith
04-22-07, 08:10 PM When charging you have to move in a straight line towards the closest corner of the opponent's square. If you have reach you don't have to charge quite as close, which is one of the beauties of the lance (and longspear, to a lesser extent)
Marcus Majarra
04-22-07, 11:47 PM Nothing in the Spring Attack feat would inhibit the mount's ability to make an attack during the charge (unless the mount moved beyond one time its movement).

Nothing... except the fact that the mount is not taking the attack action. The attack action is a standard action, as described in the RAW. Charging, is a full-round action, and while it does incorporate making an attack, it is not the attack action. It's not like any character with Spring Attack can make a charge and attack an opponent mid-movement.
tos_shai_hulud
04-23-07, 02:03 AM Perhaps you should point that out to the FAQ people:

Suppose you have a flying mount: a griffon. What do you have to do to use the ride-by tactic in the air or in swooping down on a target? Do you need to take the Flyby Attack feat? Or does the Ride-By Attack feat cover flying mounts as well? For the mount to make a single attack when riding or flying by, does it also need to somehow gain a feat? If so, which one?
If the example rider wants to make attacks while flying by foes, she needs the Ride-By Attack feat and needs to charge (and fly) in a straight line (see the next question). For the mount to attack in the same situation, it would need the Flyby Attack feat. The rider’s Ride-By Attack feat won’t help the mount attack, and the mount’s Flyby Attack feat does not help the rider attack.

So, a flying mount with the Fly-by attack with a rider with the Ride-by attack would allow both the rider and the mount to make attacks during the charge. While you may be correct by the RAW, the RAI (rules as intended) clearly allow it.
Marcus Majarra
04-23-07, 02:18 AM Actually, I do not believe you interpreted the entry correctly. The FAQ entry deals with ride-by tactics, not with how Ride-by Attack and Fly-by Attack interact with one another (in fact, the Sage clearly indicates the lack of synergy between both feats in the last sentence). The situation the Sage presents is as follows:

Making attacks while flying by foes.

1) In order for the rider to attack in this kind of situation, he needs the Ride-by Attack feat and needs to charge (and fly) in a straight line).

2) In order for the mount to attack in this kind of situation, it needs the Fly-by Attack feat. The "same situation" in this part of the entry refers to this kind of statement: "if the example mount wants to make attacks while flying by foes, it would need the Fly-by Attack feat."

Both of these statements are consistent with the RAW.

Now, if the feats were somehow compatible with one another, both mount and rider could use ride-by tactics. Unfortunately, by definition, the use of both of these feats is mutually exclusive (one requires a charge, the other requires a move and a standard action). What I'm wondering is whether or not Spring Attack would apply while mounted. If so, a rider with Spring Attack, along with a mount with Fly-by Attack could both make an attack mid-flight. It wouldn't be a charge, however.
tos_shai_hulud
04-23-07, 02:38 AM Actually, I believe it is you who is misinterpreting the response. The last part of the question asked what feats would allow both rider and mount to attack during a ride-by attack. The answer was that the mount could attack with Fly-by attack and the rider could attack with Ride-by attack. This allows them both to attack. Nothing was said about them not being able to attack in the same turn, indicating that the RAI intended for this to be allowed.
Marcus Majarra
04-23-07, 10:40 AM Actually, the last part of the question never addresses both rider and mount attacking while riding or flying by:

"For the mount to make a single attack when riding or flying by, does it also need to somehow gain a feat?"

There's never any mention of both rider and mount attacking. I don't see how you can interpret this in any other way.

You should examine the question more closely. The main question is about which feat a rider needs in order to make an attack while riding a flying mount. The secondary question is about which feat a mount needs in order to make an attack while riding or flying by. There's never any issue of both rider and mount attacking at the same time.
tos_shai_hulud
04-23-07, 11:49 AM The word "also" means "also". It means in addition to the rider using either Fly-by attack or Ride-by attack, what does the mount need to ALSO make an attack.
tos_shai_hulud
04-23-07, 05:43 PM I posed the question to WotC Customer Service:

If a player has Ride-by attack and the mount has Spring attack (or a flying mount has Fly-by attack), can both rider and mount attack during a charge? The FAQ p.77 says that the rider needs Ride-by attack to attack during movement, but Ride-by attack specifies a charge attack specifically. The FAQ p.77 also says that a flying mount needs Fly-by attack to attack during movement, but Fly-by attack specifies that it requires a standard action taken during a move action (the charge is technically a full round action, which encompasses a move action and a standard action). By the RAW (rules as written), it seems like these two feats are incompatible, but by the answer given, it seems like it may have been intended to allow the feats to combine, one for rider, one for mount.

Their response:
Strictly speaking, a character or mount can't actually charge as part of a spring attack, as spring attack only allows you to use it as an attack action. Now, this may be a weak spot in the rules as it looks like it should be able to be used with Ride-by attack or Fly-by attack, but the Dungeon Master will have to look over the rules and make sure he/she is okay with combining the two feats, as the language is unfortunately different.

While the SRD entry does indicate that they cannot be used together, Customer Service agrees that it looks like they should be able to be used together. So, the RAI, supported by the FAQ, indicates that they probably should work together.
Bort333
04-23-07, 10:38 PM Hmmm

So Spirited Charge requires a charge therefore no flyby, since you can't fly with a charge?

Well thats... silly.

My idea is an evil guy riding a black dragon (to use the DDM model) Spirited Charge whack, Dragon bites as he goes by, now they are hundred + feet away.

What combination of feats (core or third party) would enable someone to do this?
Marcus Majarra
04-24-07, 12:50 AM At least you're conceding the idea that the RAW do not allow this. The main problem with this is that Ride-by Attack requires that the mount charge. This all wouldn't be an issue if Ride-by Attack only required that the mount move no more than twice its speed in a straight line in order for the rider to attack mid-ride (and the rider's attack would be considered a charge). At this point, any mount with Spring Attack or Fly-by Attack could also make an attack mid-ride as long as the total distance moved doesn't go beyond its speed.

This "fix" actually solves many more issues, notably the actual feasability of making a charge and continue moving in a straight line (which is what Ride-by Attack works on and what actually makes using this feat outright impossible).

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Bort333 04-22-07, 03:16 PM	A couple of rules questions regarding mounted combat. 1. If your mounted on a dragon can you use spirited charge and have your mount do a fly by attack? 2. a. If you do a ride by attack or spirited charge but your mount does not do an attack can an AoO be done against the mount? 2. b. If you do a ride by attack or spirited charge and have a passanger on the back of the horse/dragon can the creatue make an AoO on the passanger? 3. Can you make a ride check to protect a passanger on your mount like you would to protect your mount by using your ride check for AC?
tos_shai_hulud 04-22-07, 03:24 PM	1. Yes, the mount will earn an attack of opportunity, as normal for Flyby Attack. The spirited charge would be adjudicated as normal. 2a. Since Ride-By Attack does not provoke an attack of opportunity, no, the opponent cannot take an attack of opportunity against either of you. 2b. Yes, your passenger's movement is not protected by any feats that you may have. Combat is resolved separately for him. 3. While this does make sense, and I would allow it, by the RAW, no, you may not. Mounted Combat only allows you to protect your mount from a potentially deadly blow, not any passengers. In fact, fighting with passengers may be difficult, as you are trying not to knock them off during the heat of battle.
Bort333 04-22-07, 03:54 PM	Thanks for the quick answers! 3. While this does make sense, and I would allow it, by the RAW, no, you may not. Mounted Combat only allows you to protect your mount from a potentially deadly blow, not any passengers. In fact, fighting with passengers may be difficult, as you are trying not to knock them off during the heat of battle. Hmm maybe adding +5 to the DC of all ride checks while you have a passanger would be a good house rule? As for allowing the protection of the passanger, I think I'll allow that but if they use there ride skill to do AC instead there be a -5 penalty or -10 penalty to do it.
tos_shai_hulud 04-22-07, 04:03 PM	You might even be getting into the squeezing rules of combat (since you are both occupying the same space on the mount). This would impose a -4 to attack and a -4 to AC for both rider and passenger. +5 is a rather severe penalty. Looking at other penalties, +2 is a normal one. +5 is used for extreme penalties. I am not certain how much more difficult it would be to ride with a passenger as without. Fight, yes, ride, I'm not sure.
Marcus Majarra 04-22-07, 04:52 PM	1. If your mounted on a dragon can you use spirited charge and have your mount do a fly by attack? 2. a. If you do a ride by attack or spirited charge but your mount does not do an attack can an AoO be done against the mount? 2. b. If you do a ride by attack or spirited charge and have a passanger on the back of the horse/dragon can the creatue make an AoO on the passanger? 3. Can you make a ride check to protect a passanger on your mount like you would to protect your mount by using your ride check for AC? 1. The Fly-by Attack feat is of no importance in this scenario, as it pertains to taking a standard action while taking a move action. When you're charging, you're not taking move actions at all. When you're mounted and you want to charge, it's basically your mount charging. At the end of its charge, both the mount and yourself can make the attack and gain the benefits of the charge. If the rider has the Ride-by Attack feat, he can make his attack during the course of the mount's movement. The rules are not clear as to whether the mount is also allowed to make its attack in the middle of movement. It's safer to assume that it doesn't. 2a. There's no such thing as making a Ride-by Attack or a Spirited Charge. These are simply two feats that mostly benefit the rider. When you're mounted, your mount is charging and both of you can attack at the end of the charge. With Ride-by Attack, the rider is allowed to attack an opponent while the mount is still moving, and neither the rider or the mount provokes AoOs for movement from this opponent. 2b. According to the RAW, yes, the passenger provokes an attack of opportunity from the opponent attacked. Technically, there's no such thing as a passenger on a mount; only additional riders. If the "passenger" had the Ride-by Attack feat, he wouldn't provoke the AoO. 3. No, you cannot protect another rider with your own feats. The other rider can attempt to protect himself, however. He can use the mount for cover, for example.
tos_shai_hulud 04-22-07, 05:28 PM	1. The Fly-by Attack feat is of no importance in this scenario, as it pertains to taking a standard action while taking a move action. When you're charging, you're not taking move actions at all. When you're mounted and you want to charge, it's basically your mount charging. At the end of its charge, both the mount and yourself can make the attack and gain the benefits of the charge. If the rider has the Ride-by Attack feat, he can make his attack during the course of the mount's movement. The rules are not clear as to whether the mount is also allowed to make its attack in the middle of movement. It's safer to assume that it doesn't. Marcus Majarra brings up good points here. I would have to agree with him. Except for the part about the Mount not being able to make an attack. From the text of Ride-by Attack: When you are mounted and use the charge action, you may move and attack as if with a standard charge and then move again (continuing the straight line of the charge). Your total movement for the round can’t exceed double your mounted speed. You and your mount do not provoke an attack of opportunity from the opponent that you attack. The portion I emphasized indicates that it is treated as a standard charge, which as Marcus explained, the rider AND mount may make attacks.
MarkB 04-22-07, 06:38 PM	The portion I emphasized indicates that it is treated as a standard charge, which as Marcus explained, the rider AND mount may make attacks. Except that it says you may move and attack as if with a standard charge, not you and your mount may do so.
tos_shai_hulud 04-22-07, 06:48 PM	Except that it says you may move and attack as if with a standard charge, not you and your mount may do so. True, but that may be implied: Your mount acts on your initiative count as you direct it. If you are directing it to attack, I see no reason why it shouldn't. Directing your mount to attack at the end of your charge is something that you would be able to do on a standard charge. And if you treat the change as a standard charge, your mount may, as well, automatically. This is where it gets into grey area. It is really up to the DM whether to allow it or not. I would allow it if the mount had spring attack or fly-by attack (for aerial combat).
Marcus Majarra 04-22-07, 07:17 PM	Except that you're not directing your mount to attack at the end of your charge. You're directing your mount to simply charge (which implies an attack at the end of movement), and you're reaping the benefits by making an attack at the end of your mount's charge, as written under mounted combat. In any case, Ride-by Attack is already wonky enough in that it's virtually impossible to perform such a charge. Remember that when you charge, you move in a straight line towards your target. To use Ride-by Attack, you need to be able to continue your movement after striking your target, which is rather unfeasible if you're moving straight towards your target (unless you can somehow move through your target's squares).
tos_shai_hulud 04-22-07, 07:39 PM	If the mount has spring attack or fly-by attack (for aerial attacks), I see no reason why it could not make an attack during a charge action (as I stated above). When using the attack action with a melee weapon, you can move both before and after the attack, provided that your total distance moved is not greater than your speed. Moving in this way does not provoke an attack of opportunity from the defender you attack, though it might provoke attacks of opportunity from other creatures, if appropriate. You can’t use this feat if you are wearing heavy armor. Nothing in the Spring Attack feat would inhibit the mount's ability to make an attack during the charge (unless the mount moved beyond one time its movement).
Icewraith 04-22-07, 08:10 PM	When charging you have to move in a straight line towards the closest corner of the opponent's square. If you have reach you don't have to charge quite as close, which is one of the beauties of the lance (and longspear, to a lesser extent)
Marcus Majarra 04-22-07, 11:47 PM	Nothing in the Spring Attack feat would inhibit the mount's ability to make an attack during the charge (unless the mount moved beyond one time its movement). Nothing... except the fact that the mount is not taking the attack action. The attack action is a standard action, as described in the RAW. Charging, is a full-round action, and while it does incorporate making an attack, it is not the attack action. It's not like any character with Spring Attack can make a charge and attack an opponent mid-movement.
tos_shai_hulud 04-23-07, 02:03 AM	Perhaps you should point that out to the FAQ people: Suppose you have a flying mount: a griffon. What do you have to do to use the ride-by tactic in the air or in swooping down on a target? Do you need to take the Flyby Attack feat? Or does the Ride-By Attack feat cover flying mounts as well? For the mount to make a single attack when riding or flying by, does it also need to somehow gain a feat? If so, which one? If the example rider wants to make attacks while flying by foes, she needs the Ride-By Attack feat and needs to charge (and fly) in a straight line (see the next question). For the mount to attack in the same situation, it would need the Flyby Attack feat. The rider’s Ride-By Attack feat won’t help the mount attack, and the mount’s Flyby Attack feat does not help the rider attack. So, a flying mount with the Fly-by attack with a rider with the Ride-by attack would allow both the rider and the mount to make attacks during the charge. While you may be correct by the RAW, the RAI (rules as intended) clearly allow it.
Marcus Majarra 04-23-07, 02:18 AM	Actually, I do not believe you interpreted the entry correctly. The FAQ entry deals with ride-by tactics, not with how Ride-by Attack and Fly-by Attack interact with one another (in fact, the Sage clearly indicates the lack of synergy between both feats in the last sentence). The situation the Sage presents is as follows: Making attacks while flying by foes. 1) In order for the rider to attack in this kind of situation, he needs the Ride-by Attack feat and needs to charge (and fly) in a straight line). 2) In order for the mount to attack in this kind of situation, it needs the Fly-by Attack feat. The "same situation" in this part of the entry refers to this kind of statement: "if the example mount wants to make attacks while flying by foes, it would need the Fly-by Attack feat." Both of these statements are consistent with the RAW. Now, if the feats were somehow compatible with one another, both mount and rider could use ride-by tactics. Unfortunately, by definition, the use of both of these feats is mutually exclusive (one requires a charge, the other requires a move and a standard action). What I'm wondering is whether or not Spring Attack would apply while mounted. If so, a rider with Spring Attack, along with a mount with Fly-by Attack could both make an attack mid-flight. It wouldn't be a charge, however.
tos_shai_hulud 04-23-07, 02:38 AM	Actually, I believe it is you who is misinterpreting the response. The last part of the question asked what feats would allow both rider and mount to attack during a ride-by attack. The answer was that the mount could attack with Fly-by attack and the rider could attack with Ride-by attack. This allows them both to attack. Nothing was said about them not being able to attack in the same turn, indicating that the RAI intended for this to be allowed.
Marcus Majarra 04-23-07, 10:40 AM	Actually, the last part of the question never addresses both rider and mount attacking while riding or flying by: "For the mount to make a single attack when riding or flying by, does it also need to somehow gain a feat?" There's never any mention of both rider and mount attacking. I don't see how you can interpret this in any other way. You should examine the question more closely. The main question is about which feat a rider needs in order to make an attack while riding a flying mount. The secondary question is about which feat a mount needs in order to make an attack while riding or flying by. There's never any issue of both rider and mount attacking at the same time.
tos_shai_hulud 04-23-07, 11:49 AM	The word "also" means "also". It means in addition to the rider using either Fly-by attack or Ride-by attack, what does the mount need to ALSO make an attack.
tos_shai_hulud 04-23-07, 05:43 PM	I posed the question to WotC Customer Service: If a player has Ride-by attack and the mount has Spring attack (or a flying mount has Fly-by attack), can both rider and mount attack during a charge? The FAQ p.77 says that the rider needs Ride-by attack to attack during movement, but Ride-by attack specifies a charge attack specifically. The FAQ p.77 also says that a flying mount needs Fly-by attack to attack during movement, but Fly-by attack specifies that it requires a standard action taken during a move action (the charge is technically a full round action, which encompasses a move action and a standard action). By the RAW (rules as written), it seems like these two feats are incompatible, but by the answer given, it seems like it may have been intended to allow the feats to combine, one for rider, one for mount. Their response: Strictly speaking, a character or mount can't actually charge as part of a spring attack, as spring attack only allows you to use it as an attack action. Now, this may be a weak spot in the rules as it looks like it should be able to be used with Ride-by attack or Fly-by attack, but the Dungeon Master will have to look over the rules and make sure he/she is okay with combining the two feats, as the language is unfortunately different. While the SRD entry does indicate that they cannot be used together, Customer Service agrees that it looks like they should be able to be used together. So, the RAI, supported by the FAQ, indicates that they probably should work together.
Bort333 04-23-07, 10:38 PM	Hmmm So Spirited Charge requires a charge therefore no flyby, since you can't fly with a charge? Well thats... silly. My idea is an evil guy riding a black dragon (to use the DDM model) Spirited Charge whack, Dragon bites as he goes by, now they are hundred + feet away. What combination of feats (core or third party) would enable someone to do this?
Marcus Majarra 04-24-07, 12:50 AM	At least you're conceding the idea that the RAW do not allow this. The main problem with this is that Ride-by Attack requires that the mount charge. This all wouldn't be an issue if Ride-by Attack only required that the mount move no more than twice its speed in a straight line in order for the rider to attack mid-ride (and the rider's attack would be considered a charge). At this point, any mount with Spring Attack or Fly-by Attack could also make an attack mid-ride as long as the total distance moved doesn't go beyond its speed. This "fix" actually solves many more issues, notably the actual feasability of making a charge and continue moving in a straight line (which is what Ride-by Attack works on and what actually makes using this feat outright impossible).