Help figuring out unarmed damage. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Help figuring out unarmed damage. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Alyri
05-22-07, 12:32 PM We have a new player coming into our campaign(13 people now, 4 dms). The Dms are having a hard time trying to agree on what the damage on the new players unarmed attacks will be once he gets done(only level one but he plotted out what he will be doing).

Anyways;
3 fighter/3 barbarian/3 fist of the forest/5 frostrager.
3 lvl fist of the forest gives d10 damage.
5 lvl frozen beserker gives d8 damage(+d6cold)

Now the Dms have argued a number of different things from;
it's a d10 + the d6 cold
it's either d10 or the d8+d6 your choice
they stack equaling 2d6 + d6

Anyone else have any insight on how these prc will interact?
Frugal
05-22-07, 01:01 PM What book is fist of the forest from?

I think you mean frostrager (from Frostburn) for the 2nd class. I can't remember off hand (away from books) but doesn't that involve the fists freezing over and dealing different damage (slashing) as well as the cold? If that's the case then I'd say treat them as becoming a whole new weapon, meaning you have to choose between the 1d10 unarmed or 1d8 + 1d6 cold.
Dethro
05-22-07, 11:18 PM I'm AFB right now, but IIRC, if you have existing unarmed damage when you pick up the Fist of the Forest (it's from Complete Champion BTW), then it increases it by one step. Now, if Frostrager gives you a d8 unarmed damage, then it doesn't matter that you picked it up beforehand, just like it wouldn't matter if you picked up the monk class afterwards. Therefore, the base damage is d8, bumped up by 2 steps for the FotF class, then plus the 1d6.

Personally I'd tell the player to just pick up superior unarmed strike and be done with it. Makes it much easier.

Please note: I could be not 100% right on this one.
Alyri
05-23-07, 02:02 AM Superior Unarmed Combat? Where's that located?
calronmoonflower
05-23-07, 04:24 AM Superior Unarmed Strike is from Tome of Battle.
Alyri
05-23-07, 12:25 PM Oh.

Well that counts that feat(?) out then. We don't use that book.
Phrennzy
05-23-07, 04:29 PM Since he gets 1d10 in unarmed combat, and 1d8 + 1d6 cold in unarmed combat, I would rule that he does 1d12 + 1d6 cold.

Reason:

Seperately, each increases the hand to hand damage.

You are improving an improvement.

While normally, like bonuses don't stack, I'd let them in this case simply because there are multiple levels involved.

Reason for d12: No one uses a d12 and it's lonely.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Alyri 05-22-07, 12:32 PM	We have a new player coming into our campaign(13 people now, 4 dms). The Dms are having a hard time trying to agree on what the damage on the new players unarmed attacks will be once he gets done(only level one but he plotted out what he will be doing). Anyways; 3 fighter/3 barbarian/3 fist of the forest/5 frostrager. 3 lvl fist of the forest gives d10 damage. 5 lvl frozen beserker gives d8 damage(+d6cold) Now the Dms have argued a number of different things from; it's a d10 + the d6 cold it's either d10 or the d8+d6 your choice they stack equaling 2d6 + d6 Anyone else have any insight on how these prc will interact?
Frugal 05-22-07, 01:01 PM	What book is fist of the forest from? I think you mean frostrager (from Frostburn) for the 2nd class. I can't remember off hand (away from books) but doesn't that involve the fists freezing over and dealing different damage (slashing) as well as the cold? If that's the case then I'd say treat them as becoming a whole new weapon, meaning you have to choose between the 1d10 unarmed or 1d8 + 1d6 cold.
Dethro 05-22-07, 11:18 PM	I'm AFB right now, but IIRC, if you have existing unarmed damage when you pick up the Fist of the Forest (it's from Complete Champion BTW), then it increases it by one step. Now, if Frostrager gives you a d8 unarmed damage, then it doesn't matter that you picked it up beforehand, just like it wouldn't matter if you picked up the monk class afterwards. Therefore, the base damage is d8, bumped up by 2 steps for the FotF class, then plus the 1d6. Personally I'd tell the player to just pick up superior unarmed strike and be done with it. Makes it much easier. Please note: I could be not 100% right on this one.
Alyri 05-23-07, 02:02 AM	Superior Unarmed Combat? Where's that located?
calronmoonflower 05-23-07, 04:24 AM	Superior Unarmed Strike is from Tome of Battle.
Alyri 05-23-07, 12:25 PM	Oh. Well that counts that feat(?) out then. We don't use that book.
Phrennzy 05-23-07, 04:29 PM	Since he gets 1d10 in unarmed combat, and 1d8 + 1d6 cold in unarmed combat, I would rule that he does 1d12 + 1d6 cold. Reason: Seperately, each increases the hand to hand damage. You are improving an improvement. While normally, like bonuses don't stack, I'd let them in this case simply because there are multiple levels involved. Reason for d12: No one uses a d12 and it's lonely.