Hill Giant Slam Attack [Archive] - Wizards Community

Hill Giant Slam Attack [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Sorath
07-31-07, 08:59 PM Is the slam attack of a Hill Giant considered its natural weapon? Or would it be an unarmed strike and thus provoking attacks of opportunity?

Thanks in advance.
Kouk
07-31-07, 09:23 PM "Slam" is a type of natural weapon. So, it is a natural weapon.
PenderGrass
08-01-07, 08:07 PM Just so you know, you can find the information in the back of the MM, v3.5 under Natural Weapons (or in the SRD online):

Natural weapons have types just as other weapons do. The most common are summarized below.

Bite: The creature attacks with its mouth, dealing piercing, slashing, and bludgeoning damage.
Claw or Talon: The creature rips with a sharp appendage, dealing piercing and slashing damage.
Gore: The creature spears the opponent with an antler, horn, or similar appendage, dealing piercing damage.
Slap or Slam: The creature batters opponents with an appendage, dealing bludgeoning damage.
Sting: The creature stabs with a stinger, dealing piercing damage. Sting attacks usually deal damage from poison in addition to hit point damage.
Tentacle: The creature flails at opponents with a powerful tentacle, dealing bludgeoning (and sometimes slashing) damage.

Emphasis is mine.

:dragon:
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Sorath
08-02-07, 03:26 PM Man is that cheesy. So just because he is a giant, he gets a natural weapon called slam that is in essence, no different than an unarmed attack? So if my monk was to get enlarged, what would be the difference?

I know its in the rules, but sometimes common sense should apply. Oh well, my DM wins this round, :)
weasel0
08-02-07, 04:06 PM size don't matter. Vampire's have the slam attack and are usually M sized. Most anything with tenticles have slams. Many of them are M, few could be S.
PenderGrass
08-02-07, 04:41 PM Man is that cheesy. So just because he is a giant, he gets a natural weapon called slam that is in essence, no different than an unarmed attack? So if my monk was to get enlarged, what would be the difference?

I know its in the rules, but sometimes common sense should apply. Oh well, my DM wins this round, :)
Think of it as a special Improved Unarmed Strike feat.

Not that big of a deal.

:dragon:
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Kouk
08-02-07, 06:29 PM Man is that cheesy. So just because he is a giant, he gets a natural weapon called slam that is in essence, no different than an unarmed attack? So if my monk was to get enlarged, what would be the difference?

I know its in the rules, but sometimes common sense should apply. Oh well, my DM wins this round, :)

Well... and he has nearly 30 STR... and knows how to use it (free IUS!).
Morwen
08-02-07, 07:54 PM So if my monk was to get enlarged, what would be the difference?

The unarmed strike of a Monk counts as a natural weapon, and doesn't provoke AoOs. So they would work the same way.
Sorath
08-04-07, 01:57 AM If the unarmed strike of a monk counts as a natural weapon (like a Hill Giants Slam), does that mean that I can attack with my manufactured weapons too as normal? Not that I would necessarily do that unless I had multi-attack or something.

I can live with thinking that slam is like them having IUS. I just never saw the difference between Fighter A using his fists without taking the feat IUS and a Hill Giant using his fists to pummel you. The fighter provokes AoO's, but the Hill Giant does not. I guess it is just the way it is. If the Hill Giant had a tail or something that it was slamming me with instead of a fist, I would be able to justify that in my head.

Oh well.
Mock26
08-04-07, 03:01 AM Which would be worse, getting caught amongst a bunch of slam dancing hill giants or a bunch of pogo-ing hill giants? And now, I can't get the image of some black haired, black clothed, 80's punk hair styled hill giants dancing to The Cure.
Marcus Majarra
08-04-07, 09:03 AM If the unarmed strike of a monk counts as a natural weapon (like a Hill Giants Slam), does that mean that I can attack with my manufactured weapons too as normal? Not that I would necessarily do that unless I had multi-attack or something.
No. The unarmed strike follows the combat rules for manufactured weapons: you can perform iterative attacks with it, and it combines with manufactured weapons through two-weapon fighting.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Sorath 07-31-07, 08:59 PM	Is the slam attack of a Hill Giant considered its natural weapon? Or would it be an unarmed strike and thus provoking attacks of opportunity? Thanks in advance.
Kouk 07-31-07, 09:23 PM	"Slam" is a type of natural weapon. So, it is a natural weapon.
PenderGrass 08-01-07, 08:07 PM	Just so you know, you can find the information in the back of the MM, v3.5 under Natural Weapons (or in the SRD online): Natural weapons have types just as other weapons do. The most common are summarized below. Bite: The creature attacks with its mouth, dealing piercing, slashing, and bludgeoning damage. Claw or Talon: The creature rips with a sharp appendage, dealing piercing and slashing damage. Gore: The creature spears the opponent with an antler, horn, or similar appendage, dealing piercing damage. Slap or Slam: The creature batters opponents with an appendage, dealing bludgeoning damage. Sting: The creature stabs with a stinger, dealing piercing damage. Sting attacks usually deal damage from poison in addition to hit point damage. Tentacle: The creature flails at opponents with a powerful tentacle, dealing bludgeoning (and sometimes slashing) damage. Emphasis is mine. :dragon: ****
Sorath 08-02-07, 03:26 PM	Man is that cheesy. So just because he is a giant, he gets a natural weapon called slam that is in essence, no different than an unarmed attack? So if my monk was to get enlarged, what would be the difference? I know its in the rules, but sometimes common sense should apply. Oh well, my DM wins this round, :)
weasel0 08-02-07, 04:06 PM	size don't matter. Vampire's have the slam attack and are usually M sized. Most anything with tenticles have slams. Many of them are M, few could be S.
PenderGrass 08-02-07, 04:41 PM	Man is that cheesy. So just because he is a giant, he gets a natural weapon called slam that is in essence, no different than an unarmed attack? So if my monk was to get enlarged, what would be the difference? I know its in the rules, but sometimes common sense should apply. Oh well, my DM wins this round, :) Think of it as a special Improved Unarmed Strike feat. Not that big of a deal. :dragon: ****
Kouk 08-02-07, 06:29 PM	Man is that cheesy. So just because he is a giant, he gets a natural weapon called slam that is in essence, no different than an unarmed attack? So if my monk was to get enlarged, what would be the difference? I know its in the rules, but sometimes common sense should apply. Oh well, my DM wins this round, :) Well... and he has nearly 30 STR... and knows how to use it (free IUS!).
Morwen 08-02-07, 07:54 PM	So if my monk was to get enlarged, what would be the difference? The unarmed strike of a Monk counts as a natural weapon, and doesn't provoke AoOs. So they would work the same way.
Sorath 08-04-07, 01:57 AM	If the unarmed strike of a monk counts as a natural weapon (like a Hill Giants Slam), does that mean that I can attack with my manufactured weapons too as normal? Not that I would necessarily do that unless I had multi-attack or something. I can live with thinking that slam is like them having IUS. I just never saw the difference between Fighter A using his fists without taking the feat IUS and a Hill Giant using his fists to pummel you. The fighter provokes AoO's, but the Hill Giant does not. I guess it is just the way it is. If the Hill Giant had a tail or something that it was slamming me with instead of a fist, I would be able to justify that in my head. Oh well.
Mock26 08-04-07, 03:01 AM	Which would be worse, getting caught amongst a bunch of slam dancing hill giants or a bunch of pogo-ing hill giants? And now, I can't get the image of some black haired, black clothed, 80's punk hair styled hill giants dancing to The Cure.
Marcus Majarra 08-04-07, 09:03 AM	If the unarmed strike of a monk counts as a natural weapon (like a Hill Giants Slam), does that mean that I can attack with my manufactured weapons too as normal? Not that I would necessarily do that unless I had multi-attack or something. No. The unarmed strike follows the combat rules for manufactured weapons: you can perform iterative attacks with it, and it combines with manufactured weapons through two-weapon fighting.