On Invisibility and different size categories. [Archive] - Wizards Community

On Invisibility and different size categories. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Sunic_Flames
06-01-07, 02:33 PM Say there's a human, a Medium sized creature and with him in some way so as to be hidden is a housecat, a Tiny creature. His wizard buddy casts Invisiblity on him so that he can sneak about. Obviously him and the objects he carries vanish from sight. But what about the cat? Without Invisiblity actually being cast upon it but hidden in say... a backpack is the cat also invisible? Or is there a visible floating cat for no reason? :rofl:

Obviously if the former if the cat were to poke its head out of the pack or something it wouldn't be invisible anymore, and of course ending the spell would end the invisibility (though the pack would still conceal it from sight if in it).
Light_Colonel
06-01-07, 03:08 PM I believe as long as the cat remains inside the backpack, it is invisible.
TwiddleStootch
06-01-07, 04:18 PM Yep, I would say as long as it is in a container, it would remain invisible.
goawayugh
06-04-07, 10:15 AM Invisibility (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/invisibility.htm)
items picked up disappear if tucked into the clothing or pouches worn by the creature.

This can get interpreted two ways.

1: The cat is not an "item" and therefore will not disappear.

2: The cat will disappear because saying that he is not an "item" is getting just too technical.

I'd say it's up to the DM.
mvincent
06-05-07, 04:30 PM From the Rules of the Game (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040914a) (if desired):
"The rules are unclear about exactly what happens to other creatures that you might hold or carry when you become invisible. In general, you should treat each creature as a separate individual when you consider how any spell or magical effect works. The invisibility and greater invisibility spells affect one creature only, as does a ring of invisibility (which works just like the spell). It's reasonable to make an exception for creatures you carry tucked into your clothing (or that you pick up and tuck into your clothing), and that can include a familiar, cohort, or animal companion if the creature is small enough to fit into your clothing. Of course, if a familiar, cohort, or animal companion has the share spells ability and you (the master) cast an invisibility spell on yourself, you can share that spell with the creature."
Sunic_Flames
06-08-07, 02:58 PM From the Rules of the Game (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040914a) (if desired):
"The rules are unclear about exactly what happens to other creatures that you might hold or carry when you become invisible. In general, you should treat each creature as a separate individual when you consider how any spell or magical effect works. The invisibility and greater invisibility spells affect one creature only, as does a ring of invisibility (which works just like the spell). It's reasonable to make an exception for creatures you carry tucked into your clothing (or that you pick up and tuck into your clothing), and that can include a familiar, cohort, or animal companion if the creature is small enough to fit into your clothing. Of course, if a familiar, cohort, or animal companion has the share spells ability and you (the master) cast an invisibility spell on yourself, you can share that spell with the creature."

It says clothing or pouches... doesn't mention say... a backpack though. Weird.
fukifino
06-08-07, 06:59 PM It says clothing or pouches... doesn't mention say... a backpack though. Weird.

That's nitpicking..a backpack is just a type of pouch.
weasel0
06-09-07, 02:36 AM I would say anything in the possesion of the recepiant of the spell. Once separated from the original target, the <whatever> loses the effect of invisibility. And no, a M sized human can't have a hill giant in his possesion(normally).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Sunic_Flames 06-01-07, 02:33 PM	Say there's a human, a Medium sized creature and with him in some way so as to be hidden is a housecat, a Tiny creature. His wizard buddy casts Invisiblity on him so that he can sneak about. Obviously him and the objects he carries vanish from sight. But what about the cat? Without Invisiblity actually being cast upon it but hidden in say... a backpack is the cat also invisible? Or is there a visible floating cat for no reason? :rofl: Obviously if the former if the cat were to poke its head out of the pack or something it wouldn't be invisible anymore, and of course ending the spell would end the invisibility (though the pack would still conceal it from sight if in it).
Light_Colonel 06-01-07, 03:08 PM	I believe as long as the cat remains inside the backpack, it is invisible.
TwiddleStootch 06-01-07, 04:18 PM	Yep, I would say as long as it is in a container, it would remain invisible.
goawayugh 06-04-07, 10:15 AM	Invisibility (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/invisibility.htm) items picked up disappear if tucked into the clothing or pouches worn by the creature. This can get interpreted two ways. 1: The cat is not an "item" and therefore will not disappear. 2: The cat will disappear because saying that he is not an "item" is getting just too technical. I'd say it's up to the DM.
mvincent 06-05-07, 04:30 PM	From the Rules of the Game (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040914a) (if desired): "The rules are unclear about exactly what happens to other creatures that you might hold or carry when you become invisible. In general, you should treat each creature as a separate individual when you consider how any spell or magical effect works. The invisibility and greater invisibility spells affect one creature only, as does a ring of invisibility (which works just like the spell). It's reasonable to make an exception for creatures you carry tucked into your clothing (or that you pick up and tuck into your clothing), and that can include a familiar, cohort, or animal companion if the creature is small enough to fit into your clothing. Of course, if a familiar, cohort, or animal companion has the share spells ability and you (the master) cast an invisibility spell on yourself, you can share that spell with the creature."
Sunic_Flames 06-08-07, 02:58 PM	From the Rules of the Game (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040914a) (if desired): "The rules are unclear about exactly what happens to other creatures that you might hold or carry when you become invisible. In general, you should treat each creature as a separate individual when you consider how any spell or magical effect works. The invisibility and greater invisibility spells affect one creature only, as does a ring of invisibility (which works just like the spell). It's reasonable to make an exception for creatures you carry tucked into your clothing (or that you pick up and tuck into your clothing), and that can include a familiar, cohort, or animal companion if the creature is small enough to fit into your clothing. Of course, if a familiar, cohort, or animal companion has the share spells ability and you (the master) cast an invisibility spell on yourself, you can share that spell with the creature." It says clothing or pouches... doesn't mention say... a backpack though. Weird.
fukifino 06-08-07, 06:59 PM	It says clothing or pouches... doesn't mention say... a backpack though. Weird. That's nitpicking..a backpack is just a type of pouch.
weasel0 06-09-07, 02:36 AM	I would say anything in the possesion of the recepiant of the spell. Once separated from the original target, the <whatever> loses the effect of invisibility. And no, a M sized human can't have a hill giant in his possesion(normally).