Rage and Bull's Strength? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Rage and Bull's Strength? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
RedRory
08-10-07, 08:09 PM Quick query that came up in my last session; does the Str bonus from Bull's Strength stack with the rage of a barbarian? PHB doesn't state the type of bonus the Barb gets when he rages. I allowed it but not sure if I should. Thanks.
Morwen
08-10-07, 09:53 PM They stack. One is an unnamed bonus, the other is an enhancement bonus.
calvinNhobbes
08-11-07, 03:25 PM Of course there is also the rage spell (Brd 2, Sorc/Wiz 3), which states the bonuses are a morale bonus. The barbarian's rage should also stack with the rage spell since the class feature is unnamed, but I could see a DM making a ruling otherwise given the spell description:

The effect is otherwise identical with a barbarian’s rage except that the subjects aren’t fatigued at the end of the rage.

EDIT: In addition, from the PHB and SRD:
In a rage, a barbarian temporarily gains a +4 bonus to Strength, a +4 bonus to Constitution, and a +2 morale bonus on Will saves, but he takes a -2 penalty to Armor Class.
So part of the barbarian's rage is a morale bonus. So in theory the Will save bonus for rage and the rage spell should not stack.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
RedRory 08-10-07, 08:09 PM	Quick query that came up in my last session; does the Str bonus from Bull's Strength stack with the rage of a barbarian? PHB doesn't state the type of bonus the Barb gets when he rages. I allowed it but not sure if I should. Thanks.
Morwen 08-10-07, 09:53 PM	They stack. One is an unnamed bonus, the other is an enhancement bonus.
calvinNhobbes 08-11-07, 03:25 PM	Of course there is also the rage spell (Brd 2, Sorc/Wiz 3), which states the bonuses are a morale bonus. The barbarian's rage should also stack with the rage spell since the class feature is unnamed, but I could see a DM making a ruling otherwise given the spell description: The effect is otherwise identical with a barbarian’s rage except that the subjects aren’t fatigued at the end of the rage. EDIT: In addition, from the PHB and SRD: In a rage, a barbarian temporarily gains a +4 bonus to Strength, a +4 bonus to Constitution, and a +2 morale bonus on Will saves, but he takes a -2 penalty to Armor Class. So part of the barbarian's rage is a morale bonus. So in theory the Will save bonus for rage and the rage spell should not stack.