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Rood_Inverse 03-08-08, 10:10 AM	I have a combat cheat sheet here, that cites pages in the PHB... So I'm assuming the language is correct. (It's a pdf someone sent me a while back.) Disarm, Overrun, and Sunder all say that an opponent "gets" and AoO. But things like Bull Rush and Grapple say they only "provoke" an AoO. Is there a difference? I was taught you never *have* to take an AoO. And, in normal circumstances, you only get one a turn. If you already AoO'd someone, and then another opponent tries to sunder your weapon... There's no free AoO, just because he tried to Sunder. Do certain conditions require an AoO on the part of the defender, even if it means the defender gets more than his normal allotment of AoOs? OR... Do you always have the option of *not* AoO-ing, and just going into the contested rolls (like during disarm)?
Shaggy_Shaggs 03-08-08, 10:46 AM	There's no way I'm aware of to force an AoO. Provoking an AoO simply means presenting the opportunity for someone (or multiple someones) to make one.
Grovel_hits_it_yes 03-12-08, 03:31 PM	There's no way I'm aware of to force an AoO. Provoking an AoO simply means presenting the opportunity for someone (or multiple someones) to make one. This is correct.
Salla 03-12-08, 04:47 PM	No real difference; either one means that the character/monster in question is permitted to take one of its allotted AoOs (typically 1, unless it has Combat Reflexes). Best guess: The various combat moves were written by different authors, one of whom preferred the more formal term 'provoke' and the other the more casual 'get'.
deduke 03-13-08, 10:51 AM	If you provoke an attack of opportunity, such as from leaving a threatened square all enemies that threaten you in that square can choose to make an attack of opportunity. If you use the sunder attack without the improved sunder feat the target who carries the to be sundered object gets an attack of opportunity which he can choose to take. To me this is the most important difference. You can never make more then one attack of opportunity per round unless you have the combat reflexes feat or an equivalent ability, if you already made yours this round and someone tries to sunder your weapon you don't get a second unless you have one of the aforementioned abilities.
Rood_Inverse 03-14-08, 10:52 PM	So, no matter what, I need to read it as "may choose to make," when it says "get" or "provoke?" The thought in my head, originally, is derivative from the last post: Someone provoked me, and I used my one standard AoO during combat. Someone else, later in the initiative round tries to sunder me, and I *get* an AoO. I was mistaken that gave me, by RAW, two AoOs, but only under those very specific circumstances.
BruceLeeroy 03-16-08, 08:46 AM	I always interpreted the specific combat maneuvers to grant an additional AoO, outside of the normal limits. Therefore, to "get" an attack of opportunity means to take advantage of an opponent's specific type of maneuver, for instance, bull rushing. Whereas "provoking" would be taking advantage of an opponent leaving themselves open by doing something that might not necessarily involve you (moving, casting, drawing a potion, etc). But, I have no reference to support or deny this conclusion. Just kind of how we play.
deduke 03-18-08, 07:40 AM	this is the SRD text on Attack of opportunities: ATTACKS OF OPPORTUNITY Sometimes a combatant in a melee lets her guard down. In this case, combatants near her can take advantage of her lapse in defense to attack her for free. These free attacks are called attacks of opportunity. Threatened Squares: You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack, even when it is not your action. Generally, that means everything in all squares adjacent to your space (including diagonally). An enemy that takes certain actions while in a threatened square provokes an attack of opportunity from you. If you’re unarmed, you don’t normally threaten any squares and thus can’t make attacks of opportunity. Reach Weapons: Most creatures of Medium or smaller size have a reach of only 5 feet. This means that they can make melee attacks only against creatures up to 5 feet (1 square) away. However, Small and Medium creatures wielding reach weapons threaten more squares than a typical creature. In addition, most creatures larger than Medium have a natural reach of 10 feet or more. Provoking an Attack of Opportunity: Two kinds of actions can provoke attacks of opportunity: moving out of a threatened square and performing an action within a threatened square. Moving: Moving out of a threatened square usually provokes an attack of opportunity from the threatening opponent. There are two common methods of avoiding such an attack—the 5-foot-step and the withdraw action. Performing a Distracting Act: Some actions, when performed in a threatened square, provoke attacks of opportunity as you divert your attention from the battle. Table: Actions in Combat notes many of the actions that provoke attacks of opportunity. Remember that even actions that normally provoke attacks of opportunity may have exceptions to this rule. Making an Attack of Opportunity: An attack of opportunity is a single melee attack, and you can only make one per round. You don’t have to make an attack of opportunity if you don’t want to. An experienced character gets additional regular melee attacks (by using the full attack action), but at a lower attack bonus. You make your attack of opportunity, however, at your normal attack bonus—even if you’ve already attacked in the round. An attack of opportunity “interrupts” the normal flow of actions in the round. If an attack of opportunity is provoked, immediately resolve the attack of opportunity, then continue with the next character’s turn (or complete the current turn, if the attack of opportunity was provoked in the midst of a character’s turn). Combat Reflexes and Additional Attacks of Opportunity: If you have the Combat Reflexes feat you can add your Dexterity modifier to the number of attacks of opportunity you can make in a round. This feat does not let you make more than one attack for a given opportunity, but if the same opponent provokes two attacks of opportunity from you, you could make two separate attacks of opportunity (since each one represents a different opportunity). Moving out of more than one square threatened by the same opponent in the same round doesn’t count as more than one opportunity for that opponent. All these attacks are at your full normal attack bonus. The table referred to in the underlined italic part of the text can be found here: http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/actionsInCombat.html There is no difference between an attack of opportunity you get when someoine tries to sunder your weapon, when he casts a spell in a threatened area or when a chaacter moves out of a space you threaten, you just get 1 a round.
wrecan 03-18-08, 09:34 AM	"Get" means only the person against whom you are acting is able to make an AoO, if he desires and has an AoO available (i.e., hasn't already used them up). "Provoke" means anybody in reach of you is able to make an AoO, if he desires and has an AoO available (i.e., hasn't already used them up).
mycroftb 03-25-08, 11:09 PM	It's perspective, from the sentence subject. Means the same thing. Example: I am a sneaky rogue, hiding in the shadows. My opponent, unaware of me, runs past me. Poor, poor opponent, he left a threatened square! He provokes an attack of opportunity from me. He has a knife embedded in his back. He hears me cackle in delight as he bleeds to death. I get an attack of opportunity on him. I have embedded a knife in his back. I cackle in delight as he bleeds to death. Same thing, different perspective. "You provoke an AoO from your target" is the same as "Your target gets an AoO on you". "Your target provokes an AoO from you" is the same as "You get an AoO on your target". At least that's the way I've always read it.