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tos_shai_hulud 09-19-07, 12:10 PM	A halfling has permanency Reduce Person cast on him. He is a wizard who eventually becomes 17th level and can cast Shapechange. He decides to become a wyrmling silver dragon (size small). He can no longer cast Reduce Person on him, as he is no longer humanoid, but is his active Reduce Person's effect still effecting him?
tos_shai_hulud 09-19-07, 12:43 PM	Edit: Lol, nm, I found my answer in the FAQ: If, while under the effect of a spell that depends on type (such as hold person), my character is transformed into a different creature type by polymorph*, does the spell’s effect remain? Yes. A spell only checks to see if you are a legal target when it is cast. If you become an illegal target later (such as via the polymorph spell), the spell remains in effect. *The question and answer uses “polymorph” to refer specifically to spells that rely on the polymorph or alter self spell to adjudicate their effect (including alter self, polymorph, polymorph any object, and shapechange), psionic powers based on the metamorphosis power (including metamorphosis and greater metamorphosis), and any other effect based on either of these lists.
goawayugh 09-20-07, 02:14 PM	I'm happy you found that. At first thought, I would have initially ruled that it no longer applies.
eamon 09-20-07, 04:09 PM	However, though the effect remains, I would still rule it's made irrelevant by the assumption of a new form - in other words, the polymorph effect replaces the old size. Other spell effects (say, charm person) that are dependent on creature type during targeting may remain, however, those effects aren't intrinsically effected by polymorph. Reduce person is more like an effect which grows you an extra limb - would that remain when polymorphed? I don't see this as being a question about whether the spell terminates because it's target is invalid, but a simple case of polymorph overlapping other such changes.
Marcus Majarra 09-20-07, 10:48 PM	That would be incorrect, eamon. The initial spell would affect the target regardless of the target's form. For example, a human wizard, under the effets of enlarge person, shapechanging into a mind flayer form would receive all the benefits from having both spells, resulting in an enlarged mind flayer. This point is moot, however, in that multiple magical effects that either increase or decrease size do not stack (as per the descriptions for enlarge person and reduce person).
eamon 09-25-07, 06:44 PM	That would be incorrect, eamon. The initial spell would affect the target regardless of the target's form. For example, a human wizard, under the effets of enlarge person, shapechanging into a mind flayer form would receive all the benefits from having both spells, resulting in an enlarged mind flayer. This point is moot, however, in that multiple magical effects that either increase or decrease size do not stack (as per the descriptions for enlarge person and reduce person). Isn't that exactly what I said? Reduce being made irrelevant by the overlapping polymorph effect? Oh well.... it certainly is moot.
Marcus Majarra 09-26-07, 09:58 AM	Isn't that exactly what I said? Reduce being made irrelevant by the overlapping polymorph effect? Not quite. An enlarged human wizard who casts polymorph to assume the form of an elf would result in a Large elf. Polymorph doesn't replace your current size; it replaces your natural size. Thus, if another magical effect can modify your size and could apply under polymorph (that is, it wouldn't increase/reduce your size twice), than the effect works.