Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Malraux 03-11-07, 12:28 PM	Minor question: What's the best way to handle a character who is sitting down in a chair? My gut is -2 AC, -2 attack, and standing up costs 10 feet of movement, but I haven't found anything on this elsewhere.
Nom 03-11-07, 07:30 PM	PH pg 151: AC modifiers: "Kneeling or sitting, -2 melee, +2 ranged". Offensively, my gut says -4, but since prone is -4 and sitting is better than prone, I'd agree with -2. If they're on a chair, I'd allow them to stand as a free action that doesn't provoke AoO. If they are on the floor, I'd rule as if standing from prone.
Lord Nedd 03-11-07, 11:34 PM	Minor question: What's the best way to handle a character who is sitting down in a chair? My gut is -2 AC, -2 attack, and standing up costs 10 feet of movement, but I haven't found anything on this elsewhere. They met Strahd in his dining room then? ;) -LN
Malraux 03-11-07, 11:48 PM	They met Strahd in his dining room then? ;) -LN No, this will be the last session of the module before I start EtCR. The BBEG will be ambushing the party at breakfast. But because this affects a few of the encounters in EtCR, I wanted to have a solid ruling so I kept things consistent.
mvincent 03-12-07, 12:43 PM	From the Rules of the Game (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040618a): "Getting to your feet when seated on the ground is just as difficult as getting up from a prone position and also requires a move action that provokes attacks of opportunity. If you're kneeling on the ground, getting up takes some time, but it doesn't make you vulnerable, so you use a move action that doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity. Getting up from a chair is a free action that doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity if the chair is fairly high; otherwise it's just like getting up from a prone position."
Lord Nedd 03-13-07, 11:50 PM	From the Rules of the Game (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040618a): "Getting to your feet when seated on the ground is just as difficult as getting up from a prone position and also requires a move action that provokes attacks of opportunity. If you're kneeling on the ground, getting up takes some time, but it doesn't make you vulnerable, so you use a move action that doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity. Getting up from a chair is a free action that doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity if the chair is fairly high; otherwise it's just like getting up from a prone position." Wow. I wouldn't have thought that. Shrug.
PenderGrass 03-14-07, 02:21 AM	Rules of the Game are not RAW and even if they were - and they aren't - I could see several situations where a seated character could combine a Stand-From-Seated move as a free action with a move or charge action. As always, the height and design of the chair would be a factor - as well as the height and race of the character. Overall, I would likely leave it as an open rule that could vary from the Prone-to-Stand move to a free action. :dragon: ****
Malraux 03-14-07, 10:21 AM	It still seems to me that it ought not to be a free action realistically. I have trouble seeing that a person in full plate could get out of a chair and still move as far as a he would if he were already standing. I'm still tempted to have it cost ten of movement, but not count as movement for situations like stopping a charge. So a character can barrel out of a chair after a bad guy, but won't make it quite as far as he could have if he were standing originally.
mvincent 03-14-07, 12:05 PM	Rules of the Game are not RAW1) More precisely, they are not "core". Semantically, the RotG meets the definition of RAW (i.e. they are rules, and they are written). Like any other supplement, they can present new rules (that's part of their purpose). When someone asks a question here, it is appropriate (and expected) to provide answers that are given in WotC supplements (like the RotG) if possible, then give your own opinion if it differs. Oddly, your opinion seems to correspond to the RotG's. How do you feel it differs? : dragon : ****These boards have a Sig feature, could you please put your dragon there? Many of us have sig viewing turned off because we prefer not to see them (for various reasons: like being at work and it appearing very non-work related). You are currently circumventing that preference, and it is actually annoying. Edit: fixed via ignore list
mvincent 03-14-07, 12:06 PM	It still seems to me that it ought not to be a free action realistically. I have trouble seeing that a person in full plate could get out of a chair and still move as far as a he would if he were already standing. I'm still tempted to have it cost ten of movement, but not count as movement for situations like stopping a charge. So a character can barrel out of a chair after a bad guy, but won't make it quite as far as he could have if he were standing originally.That certainly seems reasonable.
BigJohn42 03-14-07, 02:03 PM	For my two cents, I think I would consider it akin to drawing a weapon... It can be a move action itself, or it can be done for free, as part of a move action. Thus, initiative gets rolled while people are sitting at a table, the would be able to stand, move to the fight(if necessary), draw a weapon, and take a single attck, all in the first round. I don't think they should get a full-round action, unless they're prepared to remain seated (with the penalties that this would cause).
PenderGrass 03-14-07, 02:09 PM	Oddly, your opinion seems to correspond to the RotG's. How do you feel it differs? Because, instead of making a flat statement such as: "Getting up from a chair is a free action that doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity if the chair is fairly high...." I encourage that the DM leave the call open for all possibilities - such as a high chair but no easy standing room would entitle the DM to determine that it will take a move action to stand. Rules Of The Game do not allow for such a call when they make a flat statement. :dragon: ****