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Lilinthra 02-07-08, 08:57 AM	One of my players has pointed out to me that a swift action can be taken when a free action is allowed while it is your turn. I had previously not been letting one of the characters activate an item with a swift action in the middle of a full attack. (In this case, using an anklet of translocation with a 5-ft step to reposition by 15' for a new target.) So that sounds cut-and-dry to me apart from the reasonable limits on free actions clause. Just wanted to get some second opinions before implementing that change.
Father Dale 02-07-08, 11:16 AM	I'm not aware of anything that would prevent a character from taking a swift action in between iterative attacks. He certainly could take a 5ft adjustment in between attacks. So theres precedence for taking such quick actions. Seems perfectly legitimate, and I'd be glad to have a player who is clever enough to use this...
toucanbuzz 02-07-08, 04:13 PM	Seconded. Sounds legit.
PenderGrass 02-07-08, 04:22 PM	Just remember, you can only use one swift action per round. :dragon: *****
Lilinthra 02-07-08, 04:27 PM	Just remember, you can only use one swift action per round. :dragon: ***** And I think that's what was throwing me... I was having a mental disconnect from sticking an action (although a quick one) in the middle of a full-round action. But there's enough concurrence here that I'll allow it starting next time. He certainly could take a 5ft adjustment in between attacks. So theres precedence for taking such quick actions. Technically, a 5 foot step is not an action at all.
runestar 02-07-08, 07:10 PM	It is perfectly legit. For example, a gish with bab+16 could first make 3 attacks, then cast quickened true-strike as a swift action to apply to his 4th attack.:)
FriendoftheDork 02-11-08, 04:41 AM	Can you also take a move action during an attack action? Say, if you use multishot, or skirmisher's boots to make a second attack in the same standard action. Where does it say you can make swift (or even free) actions during a full-round action? Can a wizard cast quickened (whatever) while casting a summoning spell? And remember, the 5' step is not an action in itself, and thus does not set any precedence.
KyoMamoru 02-11-08, 05:00 AM	Right here... Full-Round Action A full-round action consumes all your effort during a round. The only movement you can take during a full-round action is a 5-foot step before, during, or after the action. You can also perform free actions (see below). Some full-round actions do not allow you to take a 5-foot step. Some full-round actions can be taken as standard actions, but only in situations when you are limited to performing only a standard action during your round. The descriptions of specific actions, below, detail which actions allow this option. Free Action Free actions consume a very small amount of time and effort. You can perform one or more free actions while taking another action normally. However, there are reasonable limits on what you can really do for free. Swift Action A swift action consumes a very small amount of time, but represents a larger expenditure of effort and energy than a free action. You can perform only a single swift action per turn. Immediate Action An immediate action is very similar to a swift action, but can be performed at any time — even if it's not your turn.
FriendoftheDork 02-11-08, 06:47 AM	Right here... Well that does confirm that free and immediate actions can be used during a full-round action, but not swift actions. And that means swift actions take too long to do within another action.
Merestil Haye 02-11-08, 10:15 AM	Well that does confirm that free and immediate actions can be used during a full-round action, but not swift actions. And that means swift actions take too long to do within another action.Your conclusion is in error. A swift action and an immediate action take approximately the same amount of effort; if you do take an immediate action in your turn it counts as your swift action in that turn for the purposes of limits on actions. From the SRD : Using an immediate action on your turn is the same as using a swift action, and counts as your swift action for that turn. This leads to the conclusion that swift and immediate actions must be treated the same way for this question. Secondly, the rules on swift actions say this :You can take a swift action any time you would normally be allowed to take a free action.This seems to indicate that you can take a swift action between attacks. 5' steps aren't actually a good precedent, because taking one is not a free action; it is a miscellaneous action, indicating that the amount of effort varies. In fact it shares many of the characteristics of swift actions - it can be performed alongside a full-round action and can only be performed once per turn. It isn't a swift action, it just shares some of the same characteristics, so you can 5' step and take a swift action in the same round.
FriendoftheDork 02-11-08, 12:35 PM	Your conclusion is in error. A swift action and an immediate action take approximately the same amount of effort; if you do take an immediate action in your turn it counts as your swift action in that turn for the purposes of limits on actions. From the SRD : This leads to the conclusion that swift and immediate actions must be treated the same way for this question. Secondly, the rules on swift actions say this :This seems to indicate that you can take a swift action between attacks. 5' steps aren't actually a good precedent, because taking one is not a free action; it is a miscellaneous action, indicating that the amount of effort varies. In fact it shares many of the characteristics of swift actions - it can be performed alongside a full-round action and can only be performed once per turn. It isn't a swift action, it just shares some of the same characteristics, so you can 5' step and take a swift action in the same round. Well if your quotes are from the SRD, then I agree with your interpretation.
Merestil Haye 02-11-08, 02:28 PM	They are found here (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#swiftActions).