Three queries [Archive] - Wizards Community

Three queries [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
pmurray@bigpond.com
11-19-07, 11:09 PM 1 - Slam attack

Is a slam attcak made against the normal AC for a melee attack, or does it ignore certain types of AC bonuses?

2 - Turning

If a cleric turns an undead and leaves the room (or otherwise leaves lkine-of-sight), is the unead still turned should the cleric return? Does anything happen to the duration?

3 - Cloak of Hide from Undead

Which rulebook did I get this out of? It wasn't the MIC - I can't find it there. If the wearer attacks, does he become visible to just the undead attacked, or to all undead that saw the attack? For how long? Anyone know?
calronmoonflower
11-19-07, 11:18 PM 1 - Slam attack

Is a slam attcak made against the normal AC for a melee attack, or does it ignore certain types of AC bonuses?

Normal AC

2 - Turning

If a cleric turns an undead and leaves the room (or otherwise leaves lkine-of-sight), is the unead still turned should the cleric return? Does anything happen to the duration?

No, the duration stays the same.

3 - Cloak of Hide from Undead

Which rulebook did I get this out of? It wasn't the MIC - I can't find it there. If the wearer attacks, does he become visible to just the undead attacked, or to all undead that saw the attack? For how long? Anyone know?

Hide From Undead is on page 241 of the Player's Handbook so go by that. As I read it is doesn't go poof like Invisibility when you attack.
PenderGrass
11-20-07, 12:53 AM Hide From Undead is on page 241 of the Player's Handbook so go by that. As I read it is doesn't go poof like Invisibility when you attack.
Incorrect, it does go "poof" as per invisibility when you attack.
If a warded creature attempts to turn or command undead, touches an undead creature, or attacks any creature (even with a spell), the spell ends for all recipients.
My emphasis.

:dragon:
*****
calronmoonflower
11-20-07, 03:44 AM I looked that up before posting, I guess I failed my spot check. :nonono:
kuonji
11-20-07, 03:59 AM I looked that up before posting, I guess I failed my spot check. :nonono:

Actually it was Decipher Script, but since no one has ranks in that, we forgive you.

(Considering the complexity of the rules at times, I think it's fair to count the SRD as an unfamiliar language that shares an alphabet with english)
pmurray@bigpond.com
11-20-07, 08:55 PM Incorrect, it does go "poof" as per invisibility when you attack.

Ok, then - how do I handle an item that provides a continuous Hide From Undead effect? I suppose it goes "poof" for all undead in a position to see the attack.

...

Ok, how about if the wearer attacks undead A, undead A engages, the wearer goes Total Defence, and undead B comes around the corner?

Hey! Intelligent undead (like, say, Kyuss spawn) get a will save! Sweet.
Marcus Majarra
11-20-07, 11:17 PM Ok, then - how do I handle an item that provides a continuous Hide From Undead effect? I suppose it goes "poof" for all undead in a position to see the attack.
Such effects should require some kind of activation method, similarly to a ring of invisibility. It makes little sense to allow for an item that allows a continuous effect that can normally be broken.
Phrennzy
11-21-07, 10:02 AM IMO, the item's invisibility, if broken, reasserts itself at the start of your next turn, unless you attack again, in which case it does not. (It doesn't render you invisible so that you can attack from invisibility again).
heffroncm
11-21-07, 10:13 AM Conditional duration effects are not meant to be made continuous. All of the nearest analogs recquire some sort of item activation.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
pmurray@bigpond.com 11-19-07, 11:09 PM	1 - Slam attack Is a slam attcak made against the normal AC for a melee attack, or does it ignore certain types of AC bonuses? 2 - Turning If a cleric turns an undead and leaves the room (or otherwise leaves lkine-of-sight), is the unead still turned should the cleric return? Does anything happen to the duration? 3 - Cloak of Hide from Undead Which rulebook did I get this out of? It wasn't the MIC - I can't find it there. If the wearer attacks, does he become visible to just the undead attacked, or to all undead that saw the attack? For how long? Anyone know?
calronmoonflower 11-19-07, 11:18 PM	1 - Slam attack Is a slam attcak made against the normal AC for a melee attack, or does it ignore certain types of AC bonuses? Normal AC 2 - Turning If a cleric turns an undead and leaves the room (or otherwise leaves lkine-of-sight), is the unead still turned should the cleric return? Does anything happen to the duration? No, the duration stays the same. 3 - Cloak of Hide from Undead Which rulebook did I get this out of? It wasn't the MIC - I can't find it there. If the wearer attacks, does he become visible to just the undead attacked, or to all undead that saw the attack? For how long? Anyone know? Hide From Undead is on page 241 of the Player's Handbook so go by that. As I read it is doesn't go poof like Invisibility when you attack.
PenderGrass 11-20-07, 12:53 AM	Hide From Undead is on page 241 of the Player's Handbook so go by that. As I read it is doesn't go poof like Invisibility when you attack. Incorrect, it does go "poof" as per invisibility when you attack. If a warded creature attempts to turn or command undead, touches an undead creature, or attacks any creature (even with a spell), the spell ends for all recipients. My emphasis. :dragon: *****
calronmoonflower 11-20-07, 03:44 AM	I looked that up before posting, I guess I failed my spot check. :nonono:
kuonji 11-20-07, 03:59 AM	I looked that up before posting, I guess I failed my spot check. :nonono: Actually it was Decipher Script, but since no one has ranks in that, we forgive you. (Considering the complexity of the rules at times, I think it's fair to count the SRD as an unfamiliar language that shares an alphabet with english)
pmurray@bigpond.com 11-20-07, 08:55 PM	Incorrect, it does go "poof" as per invisibility when you attack. Ok, then - how do I handle an item that provides a continuous Hide From Undead effect? I suppose it goes "poof" for all undead in a position to see the attack. ... Ok, how about if the wearer attacks undead A, undead A engages, the wearer goes Total Defence, and undead B comes around the corner? Hey! Intelligent undead (like, say, Kyuss spawn) get a will save! Sweet.
Marcus Majarra 11-20-07, 11:17 PM	Ok, then - how do I handle an item that provides a continuous Hide From Undead effect? I suppose it goes "poof" for all undead in a position to see the attack. Such effects should require some kind of activation method, similarly to a ring of invisibility. It makes little sense to allow for an item that allows a continuous effect that can normally be broken.
Phrennzy 11-21-07, 10:02 AM	IMO, the item's invisibility, if broken, reasserts itself at the start of your next turn, unless you attack again, in which case it does not. (It doesn't render you invisible so that you can attack from invisibility again).
heffroncm 11-21-07, 10:13 AM	Conditional duration effects are not meant to be made continuous. All of the nearest analogs recquire some sort of item activation.