Post/Author/DateTime	Post
DarkNick 03-20-07, 09:59 PM	Just wondering. If you attack a troll with a flaming weapon is the weapon damage still actually treated as non-leathal? i.e. only the flame damage is lethal. I assume a flaming weapons weapon damage would be lethal but one interpretation could be that only the fire damage counts.
CharlieRock 03-20-07, 10:05 PM	I count it as non-regen damage (weapon and fire). If that's what your asking.
DarkNick 03-20-07, 10:09 PM	yeah, thats what I'm asking. (anything except fire and acid are treated as non-leathal to a troll and it regenerates this at 5/rnd) My group always played that both would be 'non-regen' damage, but a friends group plays that only the actual fire damage is non-regen. Just wondering how everyone else plays it.
runestar 03-20-07, 10:12 PM	I see it as only the fire damage being permanent, the weapon damage itself is still non-lethal. It's not that bad - just quickly knock it unconscious. You will eventually do it in with fire damage, it just takes longer.:)
DarkNick 03-20-07, 10:16 PM	Yeah, I'm starting to think that way too, that the weapon damage is still non-lethal. Guess I have had my head in the DR space... Does a trolls regeneration also regenerate spell damage unless it is fire or acid? I just noticed when reading under DR in the dms that energy attacks from spells bypass DR - just wondering if the same applied for regeneration. i.e. a magic missile - does it deliver lethal or non-lethal damage to a troll? I'm guessing non-lethal.
Nom 03-20-07, 10:37 PM	Does a trolls regeneration also regenerate spell damage unless it is fire or acid?Yes.
DarkNick 03-20-07, 10:38 PM	Cheers Nom
Arr MiHardies 03-20-07, 11:15 PM	Personally, I would say that if the weapon is flaming, the fire damage to the open wounds created by the weapon prevent the wound from healing with regeneration, thus both of the damages are dealt.
Marcus Majarra 03-21-07, 01:35 AM	Personally, I would say that if the weapon is flaming, the fire damage to the open wounds created by the weapon prevent the wound from healing with regeneration, thus both of the damages are dealt. Except that only the surface would be burned (or at least, an area proportionate to the fire damage). The rest of the wound regenerates normally.
Arr MiHardies 03-21-07, 03:17 AM	True, but would that not be enough to effectively cauterize the wound in an open position, basically causing a gaping hole that would not heal normally?
Dragonteuthis 03-21-07, 12:10 PM	True, but would that not be enough to effectively cauterize the wound in an open position, basically causing a gaping hole that would not heal normally? You could, but basically you're assuming real world physiology in the case of a troll. And you could certainly house-rule something like that, but it's not how the game mechanics work.
Leilond 03-22-07, 04:29 AM	The RAW are pretty clear The flaming sword ADD 1d6 fire damage This means that the sword deal "1d8+Strenght bonus" slashing damage and "1d6 flaming damage". You can "house rule" that all damage is considered "fire" but it's not by the RAW More of that, your players can argue that I can shot a fireball to "burn" all the wounds dealt till now and stop all regeneration It's a dangerous road... I suggest to play by the RAW: "1d8+Strenght bonus" non-lethal-slashing-damage +1d6 letal fire damage
Muspelheim 03-22-07, 09:19 AM	Only the fire damage is treated as lethal. The flaming ability does not turn the weapon damage into fire damage, it only adds a certain amount of fire damage to the weapon. The rest is normal damage, according to the type of the specific weapon. Otherwise, a creature's fire resistance/immunity should count against the weapon's damage as well.
Lindwyrm 03-22-07, 09:32 AM	To answer the other bit, I just noticed when reading under DR in the dms that energy attacks from spells bypass DR - just wondering if the same applied for regeneration. i.e. a magic missile - does it deliver lethal or non-lethal damage to a troll? I'm guessing non-lethal. Non regen defeating spell damage is going to be non-lethal, so magic missile the troll unconscious, then cover it in a bonfire, and set light to it...
Neutronium_Dragon 03-22-07, 11:39 AM	Keep in mind that this only applies to hit point damage. If the spell deals negative energy levels, or ability damage, or the like, that can't be regenerated. (A weapon which somehow deals such things is the same, such as if it's poisoned or has some magical property which inflicts those effects.)
Aeromus 03-24-07, 06:10 PM	This makes me have to ask. If a creature has DR 10/good And you hit it with a good Longsword... Would it take 2d6 damage, and then the 1d8+(mods) have to bypass the DR? If you have 5/magic and hit with a +3 sword, does 3 go through and 1d8+mod have to bypass dr?
Lindwyrm 03-24-07, 07:26 PM	IN general if a weapon is aligned or magical this will add the descriptor to all damage dealt by a weapon. So, a good (Holy) longsword would do d8+X+2d6 all good aligned. The relevant line under Holy is "This power makes the weapon good-aligned and thus bypasses the corresponding damage reduction." Note the 2d6 of extra damage only applies to evil creatures. If a weapon is magical, all the damage counts as magical.
runestar 03-24-07, 11:16 PM	IN general if a weapon is aligned or magical this will add the descriptor to all damage dealt by a weapon. So, a good (Holy) longsword would do d8+X+2d6 all good aligned. The relevant line under Holy is "This power makes the weapon good-aligned and thus bypasses the corresponding damage reduction." Note the 2d6 of extra damage only applies to evil creatures. If a weapon is magical, all the damage counts as magical. No, it just means that your damage dealt is treated as X for purposes of overcoming dr/X. Dr/magic blocks out damage if it was not dealt from a magical weapon. A +1 longsword would bypass dr/magic. However, the damage it deals is still 1d8+1 slashing damage, not magical damage. Important since an acid flask will still injure it, even though the damage it deals is not magical. Same goes for a holy weapon. Your damage is not holy or good damage or whatever. Your weapon is good aligned for purposes of overcoming a fiend's dr/good, but the damage it deals is unchanged.:)
Lindwyrm 03-25-07, 10:11 AM	Nit picking. The weapon gains the good (and presumably magic) descriptor, so all damage done by it applies through DR/good (and presumably magic).
tos_shai_hulud 04-02-07, 11:45 AM	Dr/magic blocks out damage if it was not dealt from a magical weapon. A +1 longsword would bypass dr/magic. However, the damage it deals is still 1d8+1 slashing damage, not magical damage. Important since an acid flask will still injure it, even though the damage it deals is not magical. Not sure what you mean by an acid flask will still injure it, even though the damage it deals is not magical. The distinction there is energy damage versus weapon damage. Energy damage cannot be blocked by damage reduction. ... The creature takes normal damage from energy attacks (even nonmagical ones), spells, spell-like abilities, and supernatural abilities. A certain kind of weapon can sometimes damage the creature normally, as noted below. ... Some monsters are vulnerable to magic weapons. Any weapon with at least a +1 magical enhancement bonus on attack and damage rolls overcomes the damage reduction of these monsters. ... Ammunition fired from a projectile weapon with an enhancement bonus of +1 or higher is treated as a magic weapon for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.