Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Gilgawath 12-08-07, 09:26 PM	I have a character who already has the tumble feat and wished to take spring attack. From what I can gather the spring attack is move a min of 5' attack retreat min of 5' without opponent getting attack of opportunity. If I know the pplayer correctly I think the following is how he intend to use these feats.... Tumble past the target craeture (min of 5') to get into a possition to attack, using flank (sneak )attack, tumble out of the area a min of 5'. I get the felling that I'm having the wool pulled over my eyes. Is the above tactic 'legal'?
strenoth 12-08-07, 11:09 PM	as far as I can tell, yes, it is. Spring Attack does not specify the mode of movement, nor direction or anything else, so for now it appears that it would work. and which 'tumble feat' are you talking about, as there are many feats related to the tumbling skill.
pmurray@bigpond.com 12-09-07, 08:17 PM	Tumble is not a feat - it is a skill. But this use of SA is perfectly fine. If he is a rogue, then he has to put pretty much all his feats into the spring attack tree to get there. So it's a pretty specific character build. Having the rogue slip past the line of fighters to backstab the BBEG mage is very herioc and appropriate. The easiest way to calculate movement is that tumbling uses up two squares of movement each time you leave a square (leaving a square is what normally provoives an aao). If you leave the square diagonally, it therefore takes three squares of movement (because each second diagonal move counts as two squares). There are a couple of character options in Complete Scoundrel tha make this even better. Theres a feat or a trick that allows you to sneak attack if you tumble past the foe. Your rogue will want an item that does Expeditious Retreat (cheaper than a haste), so you can tempt him with one top advance the plot.
Nom 12-09-07, 10:02 PM	Note that Spring Attack will render Tumble unnecessary against your designated target: a Spring Attacking PC doesn't provoke movement-based AoOs anyway. However, they can be used together to: (1) tumble through the target's space as part of a Spring Attack. (2) avoid AoOs from third party opponents (since Spring Attack only prevents provoking the main target). As for Spring Attack and sneak attack, spring in - sneak attack - spring out is an entirely valid and intended use for the tactic. Note that this does have some drawbacks: you only get one attack, and you can't hang around to be a flanker for your ally.
PenderGrass 12-12-07, 03:52 PM	Also, remember any distance that is tumbled counts as double. In other words, to tumble in 5 feet and out 5 feet should cost 20 feet of movement - not 10. Of course, the tumbler can move at normal-speed by adding to the tumble DC. :dragon: *****
the_rooster 12-13-07, 01:10 PM	Why do you think Mobility is a prereq for the feat? It's intended for that purpose. It's when rogues get to do more than sneak attack and then get splatted.
weasel0 12-14-07, 12:54 AM	I thought it was every "rouges" dream to use sneak asplats?