Turning Undead variant rules? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Turning Undead variant rules? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
milo_underhill
12-08-07, 10:06 PM I have a game that has an undead villian and cohorts and I am looking for advice on which turning rules to use. I am considering the following:

1: use the standard 3.5 rules,
Advanatage: All of the turning feats apply.
Disadvantage: clunky system to use
limited # of undead affected

2: use the Variant rule from the complete Divine p. 87
Advantage: simple system to use
d6/level positive energy damage
can effect more creatures
Disavantage: Some turning feats do not work/fit with this
version and need to be modified

3. use theVariant rule from (unearthed Arcana p.66 )
Advantage: more like traditional turning system
uses a level check system
supports most turning feats
Disadvantages:
empower turning feat needs revised.

please give me your thoughts
Thanks
Marcus Majarra
12-09-07, 02:16 AM Use the standard rules.
kuonji
12-09-07, 04:12 AM We use option 2 and throw out most turning feats to keep things simple.
strenoth
12-09-07, 02:29 PM I use option 2 and directly convert feats and abilities as directly as possible. Greater turning are double damage, boosts to turning checks increase the DC, increases to turning damage increase the damage, and feats like Exalted Turning simply add on top of it.
Talisman
12-09-07, 03:23 PM I use option 2 and directly convert feats and abilities as directly as possible. Greater turning are double damage, boosts to turning checks increase the DC, increases to turning damage increase the damage, and feats like Exalted Turning simply add on top of it.

:thumbsup:

I always hated standard turning's all-or-nothing effect. I also hated that turned undead run away, meaning the GM is *supposed to* keep track of their whereabouts. And of course, the fact that anything you can turn reliably is too weak to be a real threat anyway.
strenoth
12-09-07, 06:53 PM The only downside, which I only noticed recently, is that the variant in CD is only 30', compared to the 60' of the normal version. But I've also seen what a cleric can occasionally do to a horde with this version of turning, and it ashes lesser undead quite nicely.
Voran
12-10-07, 06:36 PM I like variant 2. It becomes a little easier to calculate, as its just dice damage. The way they handle 'damage reduction' for undead with turn resistance seems a little off to me tho.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
milo_underhill 12-08-07, 10:06 PM	I have a game that has an undead villian and cohorts and I am looking for advice on which turning rules to use. I am considering the following: 1: use the standard 3.5 rules, Advanatage: All of the turning feats apply. Disadvantage: clunky system to use limited # of undead affected 2: use the Variant rule from the complete Divine p. 87 Advantage: simple system to use d6/level positive energy damage can effect more creatures Disavantage: Some turning feats do not work/fit with this version and need to be modified 3. use theVariant rule from (unearthed Arcana p.66 ) Advantage: more like traditional turning system uses a level check system supports most turning feats Disadvantages: empower turning feat needs revised. please give me your thoughts Thanks
Marcus Majarra 12-09-07, 02:16 AM	Use the standard rules.
kuonji 12-09-07, 04:12 AM	We use option 2 and throw out most turning feats to keep things simple.
strenoth 12-09-07, 02:29 PM	I use option 2 and directly convert feats and abilities as directly as possible. Greater turning are double damage, boosts to turning checks increase the DC, increases to turning damage increase the damage, and feats like Exalted Turning simply add on top of it.
Talisman 12-09-07, 03:23 PM	I use option 2 and directly convert feats and abilities as directly as possible. Greater turning are double damage, boosts to turning checks increase the DC, increases to turning damage increase the damage, and feats like Exalted Turning simply add on top of it. :thumbsup: I always hated standard turning's all-or-nothing effect. I also hated that turned undead run away, meaning the GM is supposed to keep track of their whereabouts. And of course, the fact that anything you can turn reliably is too weak to be a real threat anyway.
strenoth 12-09-07, 06:53 PM	The only downside, which I only noticed recently, is that the variant in CD is only 30', compared to the 60' of the normal version. But I've also seen what a cleric can occasionally do to a horde with this version of turning, and it ashes lesser undead quite nicely.
Voran 12-10-07, 06:36 PM	I like variant 2. It becomes a little easier to calculate, as its just dice damage. The way they handle 'damage reduction' for undead with turn resistance seems a little off to me tho.