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animunculi 09-02-07, 10:03 AM	I'm having trouble understanding exactly how many attacks can a character who has multiple attacks from high BAB and TWF make. It would be great if someone could explain it to me, with a dummy 6th level fighter or so as an example. Thanks in advance
Bob Loblaw 09-02-07, 10:20 AM	I have found the easiest way to do this is to track each hand separately. So your 6th level fighter has two attacks from Base Attack with his primary hand. With Two-Weapon Fighting, he has an attack with his off-hand. If you use a light weapon (short sword) and a one-handed weapon (longsword), your attacks should look like this: Longsword: +4/-1 Shortsword: +4 If you take Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, your attack routine would look like: Longsword: +4/-1 Shortsword: +4/-1 If you take Greater Two-Weapon Fighting, your attack routine would look like: Longsword: +9/+4/-1 Shortsword: +9/+4/-1 If it were me, I would use two shortswords (or any other light weapons that are the same) unless I had a feat that made using two different weapons a better choice. The reason is because you can apply weapon specific feats to all your weapons with ease. Weapon Focus (shortsword) would benefit you more in this case.
animunculi 09-02-07, 10:26 AM	Many thanks for the quick reply and the great explanation, makes things much easier to understand. Thanks again :D
StevenO 09-02-07, 01:40 PM	Note that without the improving two weapon fighting when your BAB gets to +11 you attacks look like this: Longsword: +9/+4/-1 Shortsword: +9 I like the idea of one Improved TWF that allows as many basic "off hand" attacks as the primary hand gets but by the rules you need another feat for each of those extra secondary attacks.
LaserWolf 09-06-07, 03:40 PM	Side note: does it matter in which order the attacks are made? The highest attack bonus on the primary hand should be first, of course, but then do you continue to make attacks from the primary hand or could you opt to take your high attack from your secondary first? And the 5-foot step could be taken at any point during this sequence, right?
heffroncm 09-06-07, 05:05 PM	Side note: does it matter in which order the attacks are made? The highest attack bonus on the primary hand should be first, of course, but then do you continue to make attacks from the primary hand or could you opt to take your high attack from your secondary first? And the 5-foot step could be taken at any point during this sequence, right? AFAIK, you can't take a 5-foot step in the middle of a Full Attack without a special ability that allows you to do so.
kymaera 09-06-07, 07:21 PM	AFAIK, you can't take a 5-foot step in the middle of a Full Attack without a special ability that allows you to do so. Actually, you can: From the srd: The only movement you can take during a full attack is a 5-foot step. You may take the step before, after, or between your attacks.
heffroncm 09-06-07, 07:40 PM	Actually, you can: From the srd: The only movement you can take during a full attack is a 5-foot step. You may take the step before, after, or between your attacks. Huh. Well, yet another reason I should drop my Tuesday game... this DM has the system so houseruled and teh fights so NPC clogged that it's impossible to get anything done... Anyway, I digress. I believe it specifically states that the first attack in a round is made at full BAB, the next at -5, and so on.
LaserWolf 09-06-07, 08:17 PM	Anyway, I digress. I believe it specifically states that the first attack in a round is made at full BAB, the next at -5, and so on. OK, so are you saying your first "attack" consists of one strike by each hand? That would make the most sense since those attacks would really be taking place almost simultaneously. So, using Bob Loblaw's example my sequence would look like this: Longsword +4 Shortsword +4 Longsword -1 (Shortsword -1 [with Improved TWF]) If there's no official ruling or strong consensus (I haven't come across one yet) I'll probably houserule that because I can logically defend it. I just ask because it has tactical implications.
heffroncm 09-06-07, 08:27 PM	Indeed it does. SRD: If you get multiple attacks because your base attack bonus is high enough, you must make the attacks in order from highest bonus to lowest. If you are using two weapons, you can strike with either weapon first. If you are using a double weapon, you can strike with either part of the weapon first. This shows that you must make all attacks from highest bonust to lowest bonus. There's nothing to show that two-weapon fighting is treated differently, except that when you are presented with either hand as a valid option, you can pick. So, assuming Fighter 15 with all the TWF feats, you have the following attacks: Main Hand // Off HAnd 13 (A) / 8 (C) / 3 (E) // 13 (B) / 8 (D) / 3 (F) You're order of attacks in a Full-Attack Action is: A or B Remaining of A or B C or D Remaining of C or D E or F Remaining of E or F Hope that clears it up.
LaserWolf 09-06-07, 08:31 PM	Perfect! Thanks!
Eater_Of_Souls 09-08-07, 03:55 AM	Feat description says one extra attack with off-hand so it's allways BAB + 1 attack using off-hand. I agree that it does sound a bit silly striking 4 times with one hand then remembering you have weapon in other hand as well and striking with it just once for a good measure. :P But that's how the feat is written. As for off-hand you take your base attack and put all negatives. Off hand bonus can be higher then main hand weapon bonus with your last BAB attack. That is just a mechanical issue but can be confusing. I once built my self a fighter focused on 2-weapon fighting and he had 6 attacks in round with greater two-weapon attack and all and calculating attack modifiers every time when bonuses/level changed got me crewed each time so I allways ended up double checking the rules. :P