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Archangel_yuki 04-30-07, 07:20 PM	A vow of Peace states as follows. To fufill your vow, you must not cause harm to any living creature (Undead and constructs are not included in this prohibition). So this applies to anything else. For example, Demons? Devils? So you have to try to knock out an Evil outsider and take them as a prisoner? If so, i'm houseruling Evil outsiders into there. I think that would be rather stupid.
Vharuck 04-30-07, 07:38 PM	Nobody said doing the absolute right thing was practical.
Marcus Majarra 05-01-07, 02:08 AM	The character with the Vow of Peace will not directly harm evil outsiders. He will use his ability to disable these opponents.
runestar 05-01-07, 02:32 AM	The reason why undead and constructs were omitted was because they are immune to non lethal damage(I see it purely as a metagame decision). Fiends can be knocked out using non-lethal damage, and that is what you are expected to use against them in a pinch. No one ever said that being exalted was easy. You have to live up to your ideals at all costs, even against paragons of evil such as fiends.:)
Wopple 05-01-07, 10:37 AM	Yeah. I mean, you're mostly going to be fighting evil stuff. Where do you make the trade for the benefit it gives you if you can still attack strong evil just because it's strong?
endofdreams 05-04-07, 08:42 PM	Subdual damage is the only way to go in such a situation. I believe the feat goes on to say that those who practice the vow of Peace drink water through a strainer so they don't inadvertently kill small bugs. I imagine that those under this feat are constantly watching where they step.
Kuronue 05-04-07, 11:04 PM	My Vow of Peace NPC is going to help the fight against some vampires because she thinks that things that are already dead need to stay that way, but things that are alive should be given a chance at life. And constructs, to her, arn't really alive, they're like machines. So there's some in-game rationale
runestar 05-05-07, 08:23 AM	So basically, the BBEG can stymie a PC with the peace feat by flooding the room with ants...:P He cannot take a step without stepping on any of them...:D
Pegasos989 05-06-07, 12:09 PM	A vow of peace having character can't even use subdual damage. It is harming. If you would hit me in the face, I would say you are harming me, even though it is subdual unarmed strike... I don't think that many spells, like grease, web, sleep, etc. on the other hand fit that description.
bobothechimp 05-06-07, 12:45 PM	The only reason undead and constructs are not included is that they are not living. Anything else living is included. That includes demons, devils, illithids, beholders, the tarrasque, and anything else that is not undead or a construct.
Pegasos989 05-06-07, 01:08 PM	If you now attack a demon because he is extremely unlikely to convert to good, maybe tomorrow you attack orc for similar reasons as it is almost as unlikely for him. Maybe the day after that you attack the evil human wizard and then the guards protecting him, though who knows if they could have been redeemed? Being a paladin means that you keep very strong codes to make sure you don't go too far on that road (though some go and fall...). Being exalted means you won't take even the first step on that road.
endofdreams 05-06-07, 03:50 PM	A vow of peace having character can't even use subdual damage. It is harming. If you would hit me in the face, I would say you are harming me, even though it is subdual unarmed strike... I don't think that many spells, like grease, web, sleep, etc. on the other hand fit that description. Actually, the feat explicitly states that one under the vow of peace may use subdual damage on any creature it chooses.
Pegasos989 05-06-07, 06:36 PM	Actually, the feat explicitly states that one under the vow of peace may use subdual damage on any creature it chooses. Hmm... I could have sworn it didn't... Maybe I was remembering vow of nonviolence, does it have not even subdual -restriction? Anyways, then that's easy. Just get merciful weapon (+1d6 damage, all damage is nonlethal) and you are done. It propably allows lethal damage to constructs and undead because they are immune to subdual...
runestar 05-06-07, 10:32 PM	Hmm... I could have sworn it didn't... Maybe I was remembering vow of nonviolence, does it have not even subdual -restriction? I think it is the vow of nonviolence which mandates that you may not harm anyone at all.:)
Marcus Majarra 05-07-07, 03:28 AM	Dealing nonlethal damage is not considered harming someone, by the standards of both vows.
runestar 05-07-07, 03:42 AM	If only Gandhi shared the designer's sentiments...:(