Warshaper Con Bonus [Archive] - Wizards Community

Warshaper Con Bonus [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Bill8511
11-26-07, 12:23 AM The Warshaper Class at 2cnd level gives a +4 to STR and +4 to Con. Would this work like a barbarians rage and give extra hit points? With the new alternate form rules I am not sure.
Marcus Majarra
11-26-07, 01:00 AM Yes. Any change to Constitution automatically modifies both your current and maximum hit points.

Also, keep in mind that the Warshaper's abilities (all of them) apply only when the Warshaper is in a form different from his own.
Tedronai
11-26-07, 10:53 AM The Warshaper Class at 2cnd level gives a +4 to STR and +4 to Con. Would this work like a barbarians rage and give extra hit points? With the new alternate form rules I am not sure.

The new alternate form rules apply to situations when that (or a similar) ability temporarily replaces physical ability scores. The Warshaper's increase to Con is just that, an increase, rather than a replacement, and affects both the newly replaced Con, and the normal unmodified Con of the base creature, which allows the ability to affect current HPs.
Jackmojo
11-26-07, 03:40 PM The new alternate form rules apply to situations when that (or a similar) ability temporarily replaces physical ability scores. The Warshaper's increase to Con is just that, an increase, rather than a replacement, and affects both the newly replaced Con, and the normal unmodified Con of the base creature, which allows the ability to affect current HPs.

I'm not sure I follow your logic here, my understanding of the (admittedly confusing) newer wildshape rules was that changes to your forms CON don't affect your HP at all, although things which affect your overall CON score would (i.e. spell buffs, poisons, CON damage or Drain) but the Warshaper's bonus is specifically spelled out as only applying to his alternate form...

Jack
goawayugh
11-27-07, 08:11 AM To summarize what Tedronai said:
The new wildshape rules say that your Con score gets replaced. The warshaper increases your Con score. Therefor, your HP will go up.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Bill8511 11-26-07, 12:23 AM	The Warshaper Class at 2cnd level gives a +4 to STR and +4 to Con. Would this work like a barbarians rage and give extra hit points? With the new alternate form rules I am not sure.
Marcus Majarra 11-26-07, 01:00 AM	Yes. Any change to Constitution automatically modifies both your current and maximum hit points. Also, keep in mind that the Warshaper's abilities (all of them) apply only when the Warshaper is in a form different from his own.
Tedronai 11-26-07, 10:53 AM	The Warshaper Class at 2cnd level gives a +4 to STR and +4 to Con. Would this work like a barbarians rage and give extra hit points? With the new alternate form rules I am not sure. The new alternate form rules apply to situations when that (or a similar) ability temporarily replaces physical ability scores. The Warshaper's increase to Con is just that, an increase, rather than a replacement, and affects both the newly replaced Con, and the normal unmodified Con of the base creature, which allows the ability to affect current HPs.
Jackmojo 11-26-07, 03:40 PM	The new alternate form rules apply to situations when that (or a similar) ability temporarily replaces physical ability scores. The Warshaper's increase to Con is just that, an increase, rather than a replacement, and affects both the newly replaced Con, and the normal unmodified Con of the base creature, which allows the ability to affect current HPs. I'm not sure I follow your logic here, my understanding of the (admittedly confusing) newer wildshape rules was that changes to your forms CON don't affect your HP at all, although things which affect your overall CON score would (i.e. spell buffs, poisons, CON damage or Drain) but the Warshaper's bonus is specifically spelled out as only applying to his alternate form... Jack
goawayugh 11-27-07, 08:11 AM	To summarize what Tedronai said: The new wildshape rules say that your Con score gets replaced. The warshaper increases your Con score. Therefor, your HP will go up.