Whirlwind attack & TWF [Archive] - Wizards Community

Whirlwind attack & TWF [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
carcrazy202
04-05-07, 04:15 PM Is it just me, or does it seem strange that you get no bonuses for fighting with two weapons and using the whirlwind attack. I feel like you should get some kind of bonus, either an off hand attack against your opponents, or the ability to attack additional opponents offhanded.

Comments, opinions anyone?
tos_shai_hulud
04-05-07, 04:30 PM Whirlwind attack is a very specialize attack. I think it is fine the way it is. That is not to say that another feat could not be added-- Two-weapon Whirlwind

Prereqs: Whirlwind attack; Two-weapon fighting

That might cover it.
Frugal
04-07-07, 10:09 AM Well if you wanted to give the TWF character a little love you could always allow them to mix in either weapon. Could be handy if they have different enhancements on their weapons.
runestar
04-07-07, 10:09 PM Use a double weapon.;)
MakArios
04-09-07, 09:13 PM In our group we house rule, so a TWF whirlwind attack gives half off-hand attacks you would normally get (rounded down), i.e.:

4 enemies
2 primary attacks/1 off-hand attack
Full attack: 3; Whirlwind: 4; TWF whirlwind: 4;

4 enemies
2 primary attacks/2 off-hand attack
Full attack: 4; Whirlwind: 4; TWF whirlwind: 5;

We also have a home brewed feat, TWF whirlwind attack, which let's you take normal number of off-hand attacks (BAB+11, whirlwind attack, improved TWF) and another feat, whirlwind of death, which let`s you hit every opponent with both weapons (BAB+16, whirlwind, greater TWF).
That`s basically because we just can`t imagine a warrior spinning around with his weapon pointed forward (unless it`s a slashing/bludgeoning THW, and even those aren't all). We rather see it as a set of quick attacks at different enemies. And here TWF fits well.
Just my 2cp ;).

Cheers (and good night... it`s almost sunrise, heh...)
Frugal
04-09-07, 10:57 PM Yeah, I don't see a big balance issue here if it's based off at least 1 extra feat. I mean Whirlwind Attack is already pretty intensive needing 5 feats, if it depended on the TWF tree that's 3 more, plus at least 1 more feat to do it? That's 9 feats, more if you give that out over more than 1 feat. Sounds like a way to make a high level TWF fighter a little better in a very select number of circumstances, and giving him some payoff from a huge investment in feats.
CaoSlayer
04-10-07, 03:29 PM PHB2 improved whirlwind allows you to all your attacks.
Marcus Majarra
04-10-07, 05:52 PM PHB2 improved whirlwind allows you to all your attacks.

This makes absolutely no sense.
runestar
04-10-07, 10:30 PM PHB2 improved whirlwind allows you to all your attacks.
IIRC, you simply make a normal whirlwind attack, then follow up with your iterative attacks on a single foe. That still sounds okay...:confused:
tos_shai_hulud
04-11-07, 02:08 AM I did not see Improved Whirlwind. Where was it in the PHB2? (I checked feats, and didn't see it)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
carcrazy202 04-05-07, 04:15 PM	Is it just me, or does it seem strange that you get no bonuses for fighting with two weapons and using the whirlwind attack. I feel like you should get some kind of bonus, either an off hand attack against your opponents, or the ability to attack additional opponents offhanded. Comments, opinions anyone?
tos_shai_hulud 04-05-07, 04:30 PM	Whirlwind attack is a very specialize attack. I think it is fine the way it is. That is not to say that another feat could not be added-- Two-weapon Whirlwind Prereqs: Whirlwind attack; Two-weapon fighting That might cover it.
Frugal 04-07-07, 10:09 AM	Well if you wanted to give the TWF character a little love you could always allow them to mix in either weapon. Could be handy if they have different enhancements on their weapons.
runestar 04-07-07, 10:09 PM	Use a double weapon.;)
MakArios 04-09-07, 09:13 PM	In our group we house rule, so a TWF whirlwind attack gives half off-hand attacks you would normally get (rounded down), i.e.: 4 enemies 2 primary attacks/1 off-hand attack Full attack: 3; Whirlwind: 4; TWF whirlwind: 4; 4 enemies 2 primary attacks/2 off-hand attack Full attack: 4; Whirlwind: 4; TWF whirlwind: 5; We also have a home brewed feat, TWF whirlwind attack, which let's you take normal number of off-hand attacks (BAB+11, whirlwind attack, improved TWF) and another feat, whirlwind of death, which let`s you hit every opponent with both weapons (BAB+16, whirlwind, greater TWF). That`s basically because we just can`t imagine a warrior spinning around with his weapon pointed forward (unless it`s a slashing/bludgeoning THW, and even those aren't all). We rather see it as a set of quick attacks at different enemies. And here TWF fits well. Just my 2cp ;). Cheers (and good night... it`s almost sunrise, heh...)
Frugal 04-09-07, 10:57 PM	Yeah, I don't see a big balance issue here if it's based off at least 1 extra feat. I mean Whirlwind Attack is already pretty intensive needing 5 feats, if it depended on the TWF tree that's 3 more, plus at least 1 more feat to do it? That's 9 feats, more if you give that out over more than 1 feat. Sounds like a way to make a high level TWF fighter a little better in a very select number of circumstances, and giving him some payoff from a huge investment in feats.
CaoSlayer 04-10-07, 03:29 PM	PHB2 improved whirlwind allows you to all your attacks.
Marcus Majarra 04-10-07, 05:52 PM	PHB2 improved whirlwind allows you to all your attacks. This makes absolutely no sense.
runestar 04-10-07, 10:30 PM	PHB2 improved whirlwind allows you to all your attacks. IIRC, you simply make a normal whirlwind attack, then follow up with your iterative attacks on a single foe. That still sounds okay...:confused:
tos_shai_hulud 04-11-07, 02:08 AM	I did not see Improved Whirlwind. Where was it in the PHB2? (I checked feats, and didn't see it)