Yuan-ti wild shape [Archive] - Wizards Community

Yuan-ti wild shape [Archive] - Wizards Community

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KingMarl
04-24-07, 07:02 AM Even in the MMF bible, I can't find any reference to this subject, so perhaps someone out there could help me out. Opinions are useful, and I'm happy to listen, but I'm really looking for a rules reference to anchor this on.

I have a player at my table with the 7 levels in Master of Many Forms required to gain Extraordinary Special Qualities, and they pretty much always take the form of a Yuan-ti for the Spell Resistance, which is SR = 10 + HD.

My question is, is it the base yuan-ti 4 HD, or the character's HD (currently 29)? Not that an SR of 39 is insurmountable, but it does require a caster level of 29 to beat it even half the time. Nothing I've seen out there seems to address this issue - and by the same logic other abilities would be affected, thus a little bitty spider might have poison DC 30, for example. ugh.
tos_shai_hulud
04-24-07, 08:09 AM The druid's Wild Shape now mimics the Alternate Form supernatural ability:

...
Except as described elsewhere, the creature retains all other game statistics of its original form, including (but not necessarily limited to) HD, hit points, skill ranks, feats, base attack bonus, and base save bonuses.
...

This is the confusing part. The druid maintains his HD, indicating that anything that refers to hit dice generically would be modified by the druid's total hit dice rather than the base creature's hit dice. I would assume that these hit dice would not count as racial hit dice for the creature, since the druid maintains his own type while in an alternate form. As a DM, you might actually rule that the druid has NO racial hit dice in the creature's race, which would cause poisons to have a DC of 10+Con modifier.

Now, the Yuan Ti's spell resistance is calculated off of Class Levels, not Racial Hit Dice, which means that in his new form, he would have a total of 10+Hit Dice (or possibly by a literal reading of the entry, a 14+Hit Dice) Spell Resistance.
Marcus Majarra
04-26-07, 01:58 PM Doesn't the Yuan-ti entry describe its SR as being 14 + class levels? The druid, in this case, would have an SR of 43.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
KingMarl 04-24-07, 07:02 AM	Even in the MMF bible, I can't find any reference to this subject, so perhaps someone out there could help me out. Opinions are useful, and I'm happy to listen, but I'm really looking for a rules reference to anchor this on. I have a player at my table with the 7 levels in Master of Many Forms required to gain Extraordinary Special Qualities, and they pretty much always take the form of a Yuan-ti for the Spell Resistance, which is SR = 10 + HD. My question is, is it the base yuan-ti 4 HD, or the character's HD (currently 29)? Not that an SR of 39 is insurmountable, but it does require a caster level of 29 to beat it even half the time. Nothing I've seen out there seems to address this issue - and by the same logic other abilities would be affected, thus a little bitty spider might have poison DC 30, for example. ugh.
tos_shai_hulud 04-24-07, 08:09 AM	The druid's Wild Shape now mimics the Alternate Form supernatural ability: ... Except as described elsewhere, the creature retains all other game statistics of its original form, including (but not necessarily limited to) HD, hit points, skill ranks, feats, base attack bonus, and base save bonuses. ... This is the confusing part. The druid maintains his HD, indicating that anything that refers to hit dice generically would be modified by the druid's total hit dice rather than the base creature's hit dice. I would assume that these hit dice would not count as racial hit dice for the creature, since the druid maintains his own type while in an alternate form. As a DM, you might actually rule that the druid has NO racial hit dice in the creature's race, which would cause poisons to have a DC of 10+Con modifier. Now, the Yuan Ti's spell resistance is calculated off of Class Levels, not Racial Hit Dice, which means that in his new form, he would have a total of 10+Hit Dice (or possibly by a literal reading of the entry, a 14+Hit Dice) Spell Resistance.
Marcus Majarra 04-26-07, 01:58 PM	Doesn't the Yuan-ti entry describe its SR as being 14 + class levels? The druid, in this case, would have an SR of 43.