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Post/Author/DateTime Post
Fury Firestorm
04-16-05, 06:33 AM I noticed some monsters have MINUS Ac. Can somebody help me out? :confused:
AzarKing
04-16-05, 06:37 AM i think that is 2nd edition D&D :)
Deacon Liadon
04-16-05, 07:20 AM Most likely 2nd ed. but it is possible to have a -AC in 3rd ed. You need a really bad Dex score, an absolutly massive size, and no armour whatsoever.
AzarKing
04-16-05, 07:27 AM Most likely 2nd ed. but it is possible to have a -AC in 3rd ed. You need a really bad Dex score, an absolutly massive size, and no armour whatsoever.

That sounds like me :cool:
Eldariel
04-16-05, 08:15 AM Let's see, Frenzying Colossal Dex 1 character with no armor bonuses whatsoever would have -3 AC. But, in old rules, AC was calculated differently, and the lower, the better. So you're probably just eyeing at older rulebooks.
Quenditar
04-16-05, 02:17 PM I think I've seen a build that sent AC into the negatives with some kind of reversed Combat Expertise or something.

That said, it's probably 2nd edition material. An AC under 10 is one of the more reliable indicators of such.
Fury Firestorm
04-17-05, 09:29 AM Ah. Thanks!
Neff
04-17-05, 11:50 AM Let's see, Frenzying Colossal Dex 1 character with no armor bonuses whatsoever would have -3 AC. But, in old rules, AC was calculated differently, and the lower, the better. So you're probably just eyeing at older rulebooks.

Add Heedless Charge, Reckless Charge, and Improved Power Attack to that and you can get as low as -27.
simen_88
04-17-05, 01:21 PM Add prone and rage and it gets even worse.
Ottergame
04-17-05, 01:42 PM Toss in some cursed padded armor and a cursed buckler!
Plastik
04-17-05, 02:28 PM At this point I'd like to add in the feat Blindsight, so that your negative dex bonus doesn't stop being added.

Also, aren't ability scores unable to go below 0?
Thanqol
04-18-05, 03:59 AM Colossal Prone Bedsheets would have a negative AC, I think.
Another Gnome
04-18-05, 06:02 AM At this point I'd like to add in the feat Blindsight, so that your negative dex bonus doesn't stop being added.

There's no such thing as a negative bonus in 3E. :)

Also, aren't ability scores unable to go below 0?

That's correct.
Egres
04-18-05, 06:27 AM Add Heedless Charge, Reckless Charge, and Improved Power Attack to that and you can get as low as -27.
How can Improved Power Attack lower your AC?
Kheldren
04-18-05, 07:13 AM The negative AC thread is here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=144104)

As for the Power attack etc, I think he's using a feat that allows you to transfer the to-hit penalties to your armour class instead.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Fury Firestorm 04-16-05, 06:33 AM	I noticed some monsters have MINUS Ac. Can somebody help me out? :confused:
AzarKing 04-16-05, 06:37 AM	i think that is 2nd edition D&D :)
Deacon Liadon 04-16-05, 07:20 AM	Most likely 2nd ed. but it is possible to have a -AC in 3rd ed. You need a really bad Dex score, an absolutly massive size, and no armour whatsoever.
AzarKing 04-16-05, 07:27 AM	Most likely 2nd ed. but it is possible to have a -AC in 3rd ed. You need a really bad Dex score, an absolutly massive size, and no armour whatsoever. That sounds like me :cool:
Eldariel 04-16-05, 08:15 AM	Let's see, Frenzying Colossal Dex 1 character with no armor bonuses whatsoever would have -3 AC. But, in old rules, AC was calculated differently, and the lower, the better. So you're probably just eyeing at older rulebooks.
Quenditar 04-16-05, 02:17 PM	I think I've seen a build that sent AC into the negatives with some kind of reversed Combat Expertise or something. That said, it's probably 2nd edition material. An AC under 10 is one of the more reliable indicators of such.
Fury Firestorm 04-17-05, 09:29 AM	Ah. Thanks!
Neff 04-17-05, 11:50 AM	Let's see, Frenzying Colossal Dex 1 character with no armor bonuses whatsoever would have -3 AC. But, in old rules, AC was calculated differently, and the lower, the better. So you're probably just eyeing at older rulebooks. Add Heedless Charge, Reckless Charge, and Improved Power Attack to that and you can get as low as -27.
simen_88 04-17-05, 01:21 PM	Add prone and rage and it gets even worse.
Ottergame 04-17-05, 01:42 PM	Toss in some cursed padded armor and a cursed buckler!
Plastik 04-17-05, 02:28 PM	At this point I'd like to add in the feat Blindsight, so that your negative dex bonus doesn't stop being added. Also, aren't ability scores unable to go below 0?
Thanqol 04-18-05, 03:59 AM	Colossal Prone Bedsheets would have a negative AC, I think.
Another Gnome 04-18-05, 06:02 AM	At this point I'd like to add in the feat Blindsight, so that your negative dex bonus doesn't stop being added. There's no such thing as a negative bonus in 3E. :) Also, aren't ability scores unable to go below 0? That's correct.
Egres 04-18-05, 06:27 AM	Add Heedless Charge, Reckless Charge, and Improved Power Attack to that and you can get as low as -27. How can Improved Power Attack lower your AC?
Kheldren 04-18-05, 07:13 AM	The negative AC thread is here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=144104) As for the Power attack etc, I think he's using a feat that allows you to transfer the to-hit penalties to your armour class instead.