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Edymnion 12-24-07, 11:21 PM	Yeah, I'm in the process of moving to a new house. This involved moving my D&D book collection. Managed to get all of my 3e books into one (large) box. Weighed a ton, so I put it on the scale just for kicks. 117 pounds of 3e D&D books. Thats a lotta 3e.
Novacat 12-24-07, 11:23 PM	Yeah, I'm in the process of moving to a new house. This involved moving my D&D book collection. Managed to get all of my 3e books into one (large) box. Weighed a ton, so I put it on the scale just for kicks. 117 pounds of 3e D&D books. Thats a lotta 3e. If you lifted that over your head, you have at least a 12 STR. Frankly, I'm impressed that the cardboard held up to that kind of stress.
celestialkin 12-24-07, 11:26 PM	Yeah, I'm in the process of moving to a new house. This involved moving my D&D book collection. Managed to get all of my 3e books into one (large) box. Weighed a ton, so I put it on the scale just for kicks. 117 pounds of 3e D&D books. Thats a lotta 3e. Thanks dude. Now I got something to entertain myself with on Xmas eve. >.>
Edymnion 12-24-07, 11:27 PM	If you lifted that over your head, you have at least a 12 STR. Frankly, I'm impressed that the cardboard held up to that kind of stress.I'd say it put me at a heavy load. I did pick it up and walk it to the truck, but just barely. I highly doubt I could have gotten that box over my head. Heh, which puts me at normal human strength, right where I belong. :)
CryoSilver 12-24-07, 11:29 PM	117 lbs is heavy; I can lift that over my head via military press, but just barely, and sitting down. When I was at my peak of D&D collecting, I had 84 lbs of books, but now I'd be shocked to have 30.
Artifact 12-25-07, 12:56 AM	That's funny. The last time I moved, 3rd edition hadn't quite came out yet. By myself, I loaded a U-Haul full of my 1st and 2nd edition, Star Wars d6, World of Darkness, etc. stuff however, and in the process of getting everything inside the new house, my sister and my grandpa swore they were never going to help me move again. I wish grandpa were still around to see how big my collection has gotten now with 3rd edition added to the mix ;). By the time I'm done with 4th edition, I may need a fleet of U-Hauls, but even I don't want to think about that :). On a side note, the only D&D related thing I've ever lost track of in a move was a bunch of Classic D&D adventures: The Veiled Society (which I loved), the Savage Coast, and the Hollow World boxed set and a few accessories. I think I'm lucky, considering. From what I've heard from others, its too damn easy to lose or destroy things like that during a move.
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 12-25-07, 02:57 AM	I'm moving to Seattle, Wa from Podunk (not the real name of city), IN. I'm flying, and putting all my books in my largest luggage. Who needs clothes anyways?
metalmayhem80110 12-25-07, 04:39 AM	I'm moving to Seattle, Wa from Podunk (not the real name of city), IN. I'm flying, and putting all my books in my largest luggage. Who needs clothes anyways? You do, or you're doing a different kind of role-plaything than these boards are meant for :P Anyways, yeah. My collection isn't that bad, I think it's like 40lbs... Of course that isn't including piles of characters, WAY more metal miniatures than I'll ever use in my life.... And my couple pounds of dice....
Sinfire Titan 12-25-07, 04:56 AM	I have roughly 70lbs. of books myself. That is just DnD though, I have dozens of others, and I don't bother keeping track of some of them, as I don't play most of them any more. The heaviest book I own is the Liber Chaotica, which weighs more than most large dictionaries we have lying around. The most aggravating book I have is the leather-bound 3.5 PHB. I can't set that book underneath anything, as I have to shift my books around all the time. Having it underneath something just makes it harder to move without ripping the pages inside it. It was worth having it though.
Lord Karsus 12-25-07, 07:45 AM	-Just 3e...What is that, every book?
ikki 12-25-07, 10:01 AM	117 lbs is heavy; I can lift that over my head via military press, but just barely, and sitting down. When I was at my peak of D&D collecting, I had 84 lbs of books, but now I'd be shocked to have 30. heh.. i moved and had probly over 12 such boxes!! Pressing 240 lbs ;) Whats that str 20? :D
Sarella Starshine 12-25-07, 10:30 AM	going to be moving myself, and chances are, my 3e box will be just as heavy. We hired people to do the moving for us so MUAHAHAHAHAHA. I am going to be putting my hubby's collection (everything from 1e and up(and almost every other rpg from the same timeline as well)) in a seperate box, as his collection takes up an entire bookcase (where our 3e collection has started work on its second shelf). It is a nice feeling knowing that there are other completionists out there as well ;).
Artifact 12-25-07, 01:17 PM	Unless you're into collecting automobiles, I'd have to say collecting D&D hardcover books is one of the "heavier" collections to have. For instance, people collect postage stamps, coins, marbles, trading cards, minis, magazines (me and my Dragon collection ;)), DVDs/CDs, and so on. On the other hand, the three core rulebooks for v.3.5 alone are 320 pages apiece. I noted in another thread that each edition seems to get bigger. In 1st edition the Player's Handbook was 128 pages, by 2nd edition it was 256 pages, then 320 by the "Player's Option" revision. I reckon 4th edition core rulebooks will be 384 pages each, not to mention there's going to be DGM/PH/MM 1-3+ now (just in the core set). Does anyone know how many pages the core books will be for 4e? I think the number of pages we are faced with is telling about the level of complexity of the 4e rules. "Is this a hobby for the rich?" Maybe that thread title should be ammended to say: "Is this a hobby for the strong?" :D
Edymnion 12-25-07, 06:32 PM	-Just 3e...What is that, every book?Pretty close, actually. Since all the idiots are dumping 3e books left and right at my local used book store, I've been picking them all up for half price or less.
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 12-25-07, 11:41 PM	You do, or you're doing a different kind of role-plaything than these boards are meant for :P But that's LARPing! I only do that on Sundays. In the woods. In Seattle. Oh, do you mean like this? Lois: "Oh I need a spankin, I'm a bad bad girl." Peter: "I'm a Paladin with +18 charisma and +97 Hit points. I can use my Helm of Disintegration and do 1d4 damage as my half-elf mage wields his +5 Holy Avenger. Lois: "Paladins can't use the Helm of Disintegration" Peter: "Oh....ok, then I'm a black guy!"
katarl 12-26-07, 06:44 AM	I was really interested in this, so I decided to weigh my collection too: The books added up to 148lbs total (a lot of really big campaign settings), the magazines came to 45lbs, and the models and dice came to about 2lbs, for a total of 195lbs of dnd. About 1lb of this was 2nd edition, so thats 194lbs of 3rd, which is significantly more than i weigh, so i probably can't lift them.
Tetsubo 12-26-07, 09:10 AM	I've got 48' of shelf space dedicated to gaming books. I'd say that 12' - 15' are D&D books (mix of 1E, 2E and 3E). I haven't a clue how much they weigh. But I know I couldn't EVER lift them... :) I probably have a 8 - 9 Strength... but then I'm old... :)
larry_the_titan 12-26-07, 09:45 AM	Yeah, I'm in the process of moving to a new house. This involved moving my D&D book collection. Managed to get all of my 3e books into one (large) box. Weighed a ton, so I put it on the scale just for kicks. 117 pounds of 3e D&D books. Thats a lotta 3e. Man you need to do a little strength training. I mean I carry more then that to my D&D game every week. Barbarian up and carry those books like a man.
Escef 12-26-07, 02:57 PM	I've got 48' of shelf space dedicated to gaming books. I'd say that 12' - 15' are D&D books... Umm... Do you really mean 48 feet? :eek:
katarl 12-26-07, 03:04 PM	Man you need to do a little strength training. I mean I carry more then that to my D&D game every week. Barbarian up and carry those books like a man. What? Don't give advice like that, it's irresponsible and ignorant, you have no idea of his body weight against 117lbs, his age or his medical situation. Carrying heavy weights can cause serious harm in the long term, regardless of how much you can pull at the gym. Plus, you don't need that many books at one game, using more than three sourcebooks at a time is a sure mark of a munchkin.
Tetsubo 12-26-07, 03:10 PM	Yes I indeed do mean 48 feet. :) One entire book shelf of boxed RPGs (five 3' wide shelves) plus 16 additional 3' wide shelves which actually comes out to 63' total, more than I had originally estimated. Five of these shelves are hard cover books. The rest are soft cover books in cardboard and plastic "magazine" holders. Moving the "magazine" holders is pretty easy, just shove one under each arm and grab a third. The boxed RPGs get "bundled" in groups of four or five and tied together with twine. The hard cover books require actual boxing. And I sold off about 90% of my 2E books this year... plus some misc. books that I didn't like... I also got rid of my gaming magazines this year. With the exception of the Dragons from #251 to #359. I gave away some 350+ gaming magazines... Jump Gate in Portsmouth NH bought the books. I've been collecting since 1978... :)
Escef 12-26-07, 03:26 PM	Yes I indeed do mean 48 feet. :) Holy crap, dude. :eek: :clap:
Tetsubo 12-26-07, 03:43 PM	Holy crap, dude. :eek: :clap: Thank you, thank you... I've had a recurring dream for about ten years. In it I find a treasure trove of RPG materials. In some version they are free, in other versions they are wicked cheap (think yard sale). My wife is convinced I am actually seeing the future after my own death. That it is *my* gaming collection I am dreaming about... :)
larry_the_titan 12-26-07, 06:01 PM	What? Don't give advice like that, it's irresponsible and ignorant, you have no idea of his body weight against 117lbs, his age or his medical situation. Carrying heavy weights can cause serious harm in the long term, regardless of how much you can pull at the gym. Plus, you don't need that many books at one game, using more than three sourcebooks at a time is a sure mark of a munchkin. It was a joke. You should take it like that. I wasn't actually encouraging Edy to hurt him self as I would hate my self for hurting the most knowledge Eberron Fan on the boards short of Hell Cow himself. The carrying of my books to the game is my choice. I only need 5 for my character at the moment but I never know when I might need to look something up for the DM or show a Player something in game. I also have designed NPCs for my DM during the game and I need the books to reference their builds if needed.
Ariakus 12-26-07, 06:55 PM	Strength training should be encouraged, it helps you in life not only in mundane tasks, but your body will thank you when your older and those people who did no physical activity can't get out of their chairs due to weak joints and muscles, you will be running circles around them. Since when is exercise bad advice??? And body size to strength ratio is not important...I used to work out with a guy here in Central Florida that weighed 170 lbs but could bench press 475 lbs...he was small, but hard as a rock. I carry more weight than humanly possible to every gaming session... all 3e and 3.5 books all at once, in one hand...all on pdf in a laptop :D
Edymnion 12-26-07, 07:02 PM	Yeah, I can carry more than that box, but as anyone thats ever done moving knows, trying to carry that much weight in front you above your center of gravity makes carrying it much more difficult.
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 12-26-07, 08:08 PM	the most knowledge Eberron Fan on the boards short of Hell Cow himself. Not a huge Eberron man myself, but isn't Hell Cow the creator of Eberron? That doesn't count as a fan, that counts as over god. And back to the discussion at hand.
larry_the_titan 12-26-07, 11:00 PM	Not a huge Eberron man myself, but isn't Hell Cow the creator of Eberron? I figured Hell Cow is at least a fan of his own work.
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 12-26-07, 11:59 PM	I figured Hell Cow is at least a fan of his own work. We've said his name three times (quoting excluded) The summoning is complete! No! What have we done?!?
Escef 12-27-07, 12:41 AM	We've said his name three times (quoting excluded) The summoning is complete! No! What have we done?!? We've failed to sacrifice the goat, that's what we've done. Y'know he's gonna want one of us to fill in for it when he gets here, right? /me places index finger upon side of nose Not it!
M1kh43l_P4r4d1s0 12-27-07, 12:54 AM	/me places index finger upon side of nose Not it! Ditto!
Sinfire Titan 12-27-07, 01:28 AM	We've failed to sacrifice the goat, that's what we've done. Y'know he's gonna want one of us to fill in for it when he gets here, right? /me places index finger upon side of nose Not it! *Finger to nose.* Not it!
zjordi 12-27-07, 11:45 AM	117 pounds of 3e D&D books. Thats a lotta 3e. Let me tell you, I have just DOUBLE that: the original version of each book and the Spanish one (being the translation Co-ordinator for the Spanish version of the game has those servitudes).:D Earlier this year I had to unload all those books from the shelves since my studio moved from one place of the house to other and they surely felt like 300+ lbs :eek: (you know, our books always weight more than their English counterparts; all those errata we catch on the translation phase...).
katarl 12-27-07, 02:59 PM	being the translation Co-ordinator for the Spanish version of the game has those servitudes that's really cool, are you paid, or are you doing it voluntarily? Strength training should be encouraged, it helps you in life not only in mundane tasks, but your body will thank you when your older and those people who did no physical activity can't get out of their chairs due to weak joints and muscles, you will be running circles around them. Since when is exercise bad advice??? And body size to strength ratio is not important...I used to work out with a guy here in Central Florida that weighed 170 lbs but could bench press 475 lbs...he was small, but hard as a rock. No argument here. Weight-lifting is a fantastic way to lose weight and stay mobile, particularly when combined with more traditional cardiovascular stuff. My problem comes from the dangers of the regime- i've seen many people try to lift far too much because of the machismo about what they 'should' be able to lift and then suffered serious injury from it. Advising that, or so called 'explosive' training is one of the few instances where exercise is bad advice.
Escef 12-27-07, 03:56 PM	My problem comes from the dangers of the regime- i've seen many people try to lift far too much because of the machismo about what they 'should' be able to lift and then suffered serious injury from it. Advising that, or so called 'explosive' training is one of the few instances where exercise is bad advice. While you can hurt yourself with nearly any exercise, what you have to watch out for is anything that involves lifting the weight over your body. In such cases either have a spotter or use equipment with safeties (and go a little lighter). I've heard too many stories of guys who fractured their sternum and/or ribs because their arms gave out on them (and from there it is frightening easy for it to roll to your neck and choke you to death). You don't NEED to consult a doctor before starting a regime, but it is a good idea to do so. Or at least a trainer. And while you do need to push yourself, be mindful of your limits. The idea is to push them and expand them. Attempting to shatter your limits is as likely to break you and set you back months (or even permanently injure you).
Edymnion 12-27-07, 08:48 PM	Just for the record, I heartily approve of taking things slow and doing less than you are capable of when excersizing. In college I was in a weightlifting class to fill the phys ed requirement. I owned the back/stomach machine, I could max that thing out with no problems. The leg press machine I could almost max out. Thing I didn't realize is that my shoulders couldn't take the weight. Damaged a nerve running down the side of my neck on the left hand side. Doesn't happen much anymore, except when I'm really tired, but every so often it will feel like a cattleprod is touched to the base of my skull just under my ear, and to the middle of my shoulder. Not a pleasant experience.
CryoSilver 12-27-07, 11:38 PM	Doing more reps with less weight makes you look better anyways; less like a rhino, more like a cat. You could bench with your D&D books :P Or do what I do; put my books on a stand and read as I do curls and presses, stimulating my mind and my biceps at the same time.
zjordi 12-28-07, 03:33 AM	that's really cool, are you paid, or are you doing it voluntarily? Both my translators and I are paid by Devir, which is WotC's licensee for Spain. In the past (1st Ed, for instance), this work was made in an amateurish way and the translation mistakes generated were astounding (elves were "handsome" in the original and were translated as "funny", and dwarves were said to be "either small or non-magical"). Quim Dorca (Devir Iberia's boss) maintains that if you don't pay someone for doing a job, you're not entitled to kick him in the ass if he misses the deadline or delivers a lousy job, and I agree with him wholeheartedly. We work very hard to deliver a professionally made product, equal at least to the English original; well, let's change that to the American original: fortunately, my proficiency degree (hons.) in English is from the American Institute. ;)
Daiben 01-02-08, 01:45 PM	My problem comes from the dangers of the regime- i've seen many people try to lift far too much because of the machismo about what they 'should' be able to lift and then suffered serious injury from it. Advising that, or so called 'explosive' training is one of the few instances where exercise is bad advice. Explosive lifting is no different than any other type of training. It's poor form and/or pushing beyond your limits that results in injuries and that is the same with all forms of training.
Daiben 01-02-08, 02:18 PM	Doing more reps with less weight makes you look better anyways; less like a rhino, more like a cat. That is a myth that is often repeated by clueless trainers. Muscle, strength and power are built via progressive resistance, the rep range is not that important. Doing low or high reps makes little difference to muscle building as long as the overall volume is similar and the resistance continues to increase. However low rep ranges are better for you overall due to less wear and tear on joints and less chance of your form breaking down from fatigue and/or lapses in concentration. There is no such thing as 'toning' a muscle. All that means is to lose the fat covering a muscle so that it is more visible. That is much better achieved via diet and either LSD or HIT training rather than simply doing lots of reps with light weights. look at non-heavyweight olympic lifters. They are all incredibly ripped, fast, powerful and lithe yet almost never lift for more than 3-4 reps. Olympic sprinters and wrestlers also train in much the same way.
Daiben 01-02-08, 02:33 PM	Just for the record, I heartily approve of taking things slow and doing less than you are capable of when excersizing. the key point is to actually learn how to train first before trying anything difficult. That sounds simple but a huge percentage of new trainees will spend their first year or two training incorrectly and causing themselves numerous injuries before they actually bother to sit down and get proper instruction on exercises. Machines (which should be avoided entirely anyway) encourage this behavior because they make it so easy for a newcomer to push himself too far. This problem is only made worse because so many fitness club instructors are pretty clueless themselves. If you want to learn how to train properly and safely with weights then find a gym then find a good powerlifting, olympic lifting or athletics coach.
Ariakus 01-02-08, 04:24 PM	I actually have a mathematical formula somewhere at home (haven't seen it in about 6 years) that was given to me by someone who works as an offensive line coach and trainer for a Florida college (he wont let me use the name) that will work for everyone since there are at least 3 different body types, the Mezo, , Endo, and Ectomorph's that each require a different training regime. The formula I have brought me from a plateau with ease, I found my best rep range was actually very low at 3-5 reps. The formula has something to do with finding your 1 Rep Max, or how much weight in an exercise you can lift only once, and then factoring in your bodyweight divided by something-er-other tells you your best range. (I'll have to try and find it, it does really work) I've seen it work first hand, from a friend of mine and myself, we both took off in our training.
Escef 01-03-08, 04:30 PM	Ariakus, could ya' do me a flavor and send that my way if you find it. I'm curious, it should at least be worth a try.
Ariakus 01-03-08, 04:47 PM	Yeah man, no prob. I just hope It's not lost. I made a quick glance last night where it used to be and I didn't see it, but that doesn't mean anything. I'll look tonight.
vagabonvoid 01-03-08, 06:35 PM	Determining your bodytype isn't hard, here' a link to describe each type http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-488.html Here is a "calculator" to help you determine your body type... http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/becker3.htm There really isn't a "hard" way to determine a person's bodytype, it's pretty much just looking at the person... Your training routine should be based off a number of things. Body type is one of them. Blood type, goals, Family history, and medical history are a few other things that determine how you should train. Heres a one-rep max calculator http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/1rm.htm There are several 1rep max calculators out there... they are based off of 3, 5, and 10 rep maxes. Mind you these are estimations based on normal weightlifter's endurance... Most high-intensity athletes can do 10-30lbs more than what the statistics say... I hope this helps you guys... I've been an athlete and powerlifter since I was able to lift a barbell. I am currently working on getting my personal trainer's certification and i just covered this during my studying... I'm a happy meso :D
Ariakus 01-03-08, 06:45 PM	The one I sent to Escef wasn't a 1 rep max calculator, those are all over the internet. It's more of a "what's the best rep range" calculator which is based upon your 1 rep max, or rather 80% of it. It's just a cycle breaker and plateau breaker that worked well for me for the year I used it :) I'm nowhere near the league of a pro by any means, but it just gave me a boost when I needed it. EDIT: My body type according to that site is: What Is Your Body Type? Your score is 1.42. Your body is between an EndoMorph and a Mesomorph.
vagabonvoid 01-03-08, 06:53 PM	Oh, I read through your post too fast and misunderstood... Sorry. Still, hope my post helped someone, somewhere... I wonder if we still are on topic... :thinks: