3.5 How do you handle loot split with Vow of Poverty? [Archive] - Wizards Community

3.5 How do you handle loot split with Vow of Poverty? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Harmor
08-12-04, 11:35 AM How do you handle loot split with Vow of Poverty?

The spirt of the feat is that you still get an equal treasure split and that that split goes to worthy causes. But how do you convince your teammate that that +1 Longsword that we just found should goto the local constable and not him or split evenly with the rest of the party as gold?

Any guidance would be appreciated.
Beamup
08-12-04, 11:38 AM You don't have to convince them. They give you your share as normal, and you do as you wish with it. Anybody who would refuse to give you your share of the loot because you intend to give it away is somebody an Exalted character shouldn't be travelling with anyway.
Thorak
08-12-04, 04:08 PM Originally posted by Beamup
You don't have to convince them. They give you your share as normal, and you do as you wish with it. Anybody who would refuse to give you your share of the loot because you intend to give it away is somebody an Exalted character shouldn't be travelling with anyway.

Exactly. Just because you personally won't be using the items or loot, doesn't mean you're not entitled to your fair share to do with as you wish.
Though I'd personally cope with it on a cash-for-items basis. If your share includes a +1 longsword that the fighter wants, and he's got the ready cash as part of his share to make up the value, he can 'buy' it off you. Since the VoP character doesn't have any connection to the items, it should make no difference to him, and cash is easier to spend on charitable causes than Decanters of Endless Water (unless we're talking about a desert tribe dying off because their oases are drying up, or something).
tarkin
08-12-04, 04:59 PM You should be having the OTHER problem.

The other PC's should be complaining that you are insisting that THEY give part of their personal share of the treasure to what ever worthy cause you are giving yours too.

It helps if you pick a particularly annoying one, such as the Princesses Stepahnie's Cloathe the Wild Horses campaign.

That way you can constantly harangue the other players about the poor horses and how they are totally NAKED and they need not only horse shoes to protect their poor feet but also blankets to keep them warm in the cold night air and of COURSE they also need barding to protect them from the fierce wild animals.

We are of course talking about wild horses here - people should be expected to take care of there own horse.
danielinthewolvesden
08-12-04, 10:17 PM Again- threads and questions about VoP belong in the BoED forum, in the Mature section.
ORC_Tuhteth
08-12-04, 10:35 PM Moving to mature forums.
danielinthewolvesden
08-12-04, 10:46 PM :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
Edymnion
08-13-04, 03:44 PM Originally posted by Harmor
How do you handle loot split with Vow of Poverty?

The spirt of the feat is that you still get an equal treasure split and that that split goes to worthy causes. But how do you convince your teammate that that +1 Longsword that we just found should goto the local constable and not him or split evenly with the rest of the party as gold?

Any guidance would be appreciated. Simple, if you find a +1 Longsword, and only one person in the party uses a +1 longsword, then they get it. The other guys don't get a cut, regardless of wether or not they have VoP (and I do hope you're in an Exalted campaign if you're using Exalted material, or at least that you are holding them to the excrutiatingly high moral and ethical standards that are required to be Exalted, and you aren't just letting them take VoP to be a cheap munchkin monk).

You just make sure that everybody gets an even cut in the long run, and that the VoP guy gives his cut away (he must still get a cut), and that you make sure this guy doesn't so much as look at somebody funny or he loses his Exalted status and therefor the feat, and you'll be good to go.
Fiendish Banana Golem
08-19-04, 05:23 PM Funny story.

When I first joined the gaming group I'm currently with, they used the following method to split treasure:

We'd list all the items, then go through them one by one. If only one person wanted something, they got it. If more then one person wanted something, the people who wanted it would make a short case as to why they needed it more. If someone aquiesced, then the other person would get it. If not, people would roll off to see who got it. If someone took an item that replaced an older version of an item they had, they'd throw their old item back in the pot. When all the loot was divided, the items that no one wanted were sold and the gold was divided evenly.

All in all, the main balancing factor was that people were supposed to watch themselves and not grab for too many items.

When I came into this, I was really uncomfortable with how things were done-as the newbie, I didn't really have a lot of seniority if a conflict came up, and I didn't really feel that there was a fair division of the loot. In addition, if someone specifically wanted to refuse loot for a larger share of gold (say, a wizard researching spells or crafting their own items, or anyone wanting to buy an item that wasn't found), there was no way to do that-regardless of who got what, everyone got the same gold at the end.

I asked the group if we could switch to the method of dividing treasure on pages 167-168 of the PHB. The general consesus was "No, we like this method-it's a lot less work and it all evens out in the end."

Well, that specific game folded when we ended up not saving the world from the apocalypse, so we started up a new game. It was right after the BoED came out, so our GM decided to test the VoP out on himself-that way, he'd know what problems might arise if a player tried it in the future. (Our GM always has a PC, since we occasionally have guest GMing from the players.) He's being very strict on himself, so one of the first issues we had was that we have to do a very strict, formal system of dividing up the loot. We use the method described in the PHB-if you want an item, you buy it out at half price (the price we'd be able to sell it for) from your share of the total loot value. If it's more then your share, you pay out of your pocket-if you don't have enough, you can't owe "the party" because then you'd be owing money to the VoP character's charity. If you want to do that, you have to directly borrow gold from other non-VoP PCs. Our GM just sits this entire process out, and when everything's claimed (or not), we sell the leftovers, split the loot, and his share goes to charity.

I imagine if his character is aware of a specific need in a community he is donating to, he might try to claim a specific item (ie, he might try to buy out a Muryland's Spoon to donate to the poor). But so far he's just donated gold from the split adventure proceeds. And all in all, it makes me very happy because we're now using the exact method I wanted to use from the beginning.
Count Arioch the 28th
08-20-04, 09:47 AM Originally posted by Edymnion
and that you make sure this guy doesn't so much as look at somebody funny or he loses his Exalted status and therefor the feat, and you'll be good to go.

:rolleyes:

It's not hard to hold on to your exalted status. Not hard at all.
Kalrog
08-31-04, 12:44 PM With my VoP monk, I use my share of the loot as a role playing device. Even though it is somewhat against the rules, my DM allows me to carry my gold with me as I haven't set up a favorite charity yet. What this allows is for me to help people as we game - and it has even spurred campaign plots. Now, I never use the $$ for myself, and lots of times the NPCs who get the money never know where it came from. I think I currently have about 900gp on me - but no items of any sort.
Lord Arkhaven
08-31-04, 03:28 PM As an alternative, a DM can modify the adventures to give less treasure. If there is a four person party due to find 1,000gp., they would find 750gp. This way the whole charity search doesn't need to be contrived.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Harmor 08-12-04, 11:35 AM	How do you handle loot split with Vow of Poverty? The spirt of the feat is that you still get an equal treasure split and that that split goes to worthy causes. But how do you convince your teammate that that +1 Longsword that we just found should goto the local constable and not him or split evenly with the rest of the party as gold? Any guidance would be appreciated.
Beamup 08-12-04, 11:38 AM	You don't have to convince them. They give you your share as normal, and you do as you wish with it. Anybody who would refuse to give you your share of the loot because you intend to give it away is somebody an Exalted character shouldn't be travelling with anyway.
Thorak 08-12-04, 04:08 PM	Originally posted by Beamup You don't have to convince them. They give you your share as normal, and you do as you wish with it. Anybody who would refuse to give you your share of the loot because you intend to give it away is somebody an Exalted character shouldn't be travelling with anyway. Exactly. Just because you personally won't be using the items or loot, doesn't mean you're not entitled to your fair share to do with as you wish. Though I'd personally cope with it on a cash-for-items basis. If your share includes a +1 longsword that the fighter wants, and he's got the ready cash as part of his share to make up the value, he can 'buy' it off you. Since the VoP character doesn't have any connection to the items, it should make no difference to him, and cash is easier to spend on charitable causes than Decanters of Endless Water (unless we're talking about a desert tribe dying off because their oases are drying up, or something).
tarkin 08-12-04, 04:59 PM	You should be having the OTHER problem. The other PC's should be complaining that you are insisting that THEY give part of their personal share of the treasure to what ever worthy cause you are giving yours too. It helps if you pick a particularly annoying one, such as the Princesses Stepahnie's Cloathe the Wild Horses campaign. That way you can constantly harangue the other players about the poor horses and how they are totally NAKED and they need not only horse shoes to protect their poor feet but also blankets to keep them warm in the cold night air and of COURSE they also need barding to protect them from the fierce wild animals. We are of course talking about wild horses here - people should be expected to take care of there own horse.
danielinthewolvesden 08-12-04, 10:17 PM	Again- threads and questions about VoP belong in the BoED forum, in the Mature section.
ORC_Tuhteth 08-12-04, 10:35 PM	Moving to mature forums.
danielinthewolvesden 08-12-04, 10:46 PM	:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
Edymnion 08-13-04, 03:44 PM	Originally posted by Harmor How do you handle loot split with Vow of Poverty? The spirt of the feat is that you still get an equal treasure split and that that split goes to worthy causes. But how do you convince your teammate that that +1 Longsword that we just found should goto the local constable and not him or split evenly with the rest of the party as gold? Any guidance would be appreciated. Simple, if you find a +1 Longsword, and only one person in the party uses a +1 longsword, then they get it. The other guys don't get a cut, regardless of wether or not they have VoP (and I do hope you're in an Exalted campaign if you're using Exalted material, or at least that you are holding them to the excrutiatingly high moral and ethical standards that are required to be Exalted, and you aren't just letting them take VoP to be a cheap munchkin monk). You just make sure that everybody gets an even cut in the long run, and that the VoP guy gives his cut away (he must still get a cut), and that you make sure this guy doesn't so much as look at somebody funny or he loses his Exalted status and therefor the feat, and you'll be good to go.
Fiendish Banana Golem 08-19-04, 05:23 PM	Funny story. When I first joined the gaming group I'm currently with, they used the following method to split treasure: We'd list all the items, then go through them one by one. If only one person wanted something, they got it. If more then one person wanted something, the people who wanted it would make a short case as to why they needed it more. If someone aquiesced, then the other person would get it. If not, people would roll off to see who got it. If someone took an item that replaced an older version of an item they had, they'd throw their old item back in the pot. When all the loot was divided, the items that no one wanted were sold and the gold was divided evenly. All in all, the main balancing factor was that people were supposed to watch themselves and not grab for too many items. When I came into this, I was really uncomfortable with how things were done-as the newbie, I didn't really have a lot of seniority if a conflict came up, and I didn't really feel that there was a fair division of the loot. In addition, if someone specifically wanted to refuse loot for a larger share of gold (say, a wizard researching spells or crafting their own items, or anyone wanting to buy an item that wasn't found), there was no way to do that-regardless of who got what, everyone got the same gold at the end. I asked the group if we could switch to the method of dividing treasure on pages 167-168 of the PHB. The general consesus was "No, we like this method-it's a lot less work and it all evens out in the end." Well, that specific game folded when we ended up not saving the world from the apocalypse, so we started up a new game. It was right after the BoED came out, so our GM decided to test the VoP out on himself-that way, he'd know what problems might arise if a player tried it in the future. (Our GM always has a PC, since we occasionally have guest GMing from the players.) He's being very strict on himself, so one of the first issues we had was that we have to do a very strict, formal system of dividing up the loot. We use the method described in the PHB-if you want an item, you buy it out at half price (the price we'd be able to sell it for) from your share of the total loot value. If it's more then your share, you pay out of your pocket-if you don't have enough, you can't owe "the party" because then you'd be owing money to the VoP character's charity. If you want to do that, you have to directly borrow gold from other non-VoP PCs. Our GM just sits this entire process out, and when everything's claimed (or not), we sell the leftovers, split the loot, and his share goes to charity. I imagine if his character is aware of a specific need in a community he is donating to, he might try to claim a specific item (ie, he might try to buy out a Muryland's Spoon to donate to the poor). But so far he's just donated gold from the split adventure proceeds. And all in all, it makes me very happy because we're now using the exact method I wanted to use from the beginning.
Count Arioch the 28th 08-20-04, 09:47 AM	Originally posted by Edymnion and that you make sure this guy doesn't so much as look at somebody funny or he loses his Exalted status and therefor the feat, and you'll be good to go. :rolleyes: It's not hard to hold on to your exalted status. Not hard at all.
Kalrog 08-31-04, 12:44 PM	With my VoP monk, I use my share of the loot as a role playing device. Even though it is somewhat against the rules, my DM allows me to carry my gold with me as I haven't set up a favorite charity yet. What this allows is for me to help people as we game - and it has even spurred campaign plots. Now, I never use the $$ for myself, and lots of times the NPCs who get the money never know where it came from. I think I currently have about 900gp on me - but no items of any sort.
Lord Arkhaven 08-31-04, 03:28 PM	As an alternative, a DM can modify the adventures to give less treasure. If there is a four person party due to find 1,000gp., they would find 750gp. This way the whole charity search doesn't need to be contrived.