4th edition has crushed my soul. [Archive] - Wizards Community

4th edition has crushed my soul. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
zephyrmage42
08-22-07, 10:12 AM I can’t believe how WOTC has totally screwed me over and their rules stifle RP so much. I mean, its like they wanted to make rules for tactical combat but leave RP totally up to our imaginations! In fact, I can remember playing in a Covenant of Light mod a few weeks ago where I made a bard. I even optimized him to be a powerful combat buffer for the 6 man group. I had to use my imagination when I played him like a televangelist shouting “Praise the Flame!” and using his message spells to give words of encouragement to party members. I even got some players to have fun with it to, shouting some Praise the Flames back at me. The rules did not tell me I could do this, or even give me specific outlines on how to do it! I kept trying to find my +2 to roleplaying flute but had no luck. I can’t believe how much this has turned into a video game.

I cannot stress how this makes me dread the arrival of 4th edition. Streamlining combat? Sounds like hippie crap to me. Why would I want combat to quicker? So I could spend time imagining combat or interacting with my party members or NPCs? Not likely. I need specific roleplay abilities, goals, and rewards if they want that.

Now they want to give me the option to play online with my friends that don’t live around me anymore. Again, hippie crap. They probably want us all to burn money on an altar to WOTC just to log on. And whats with the optional part? Its like they expect that some people might not want to use it. Everyone knows that if wizards wants your money you have to give it to them or they come to your house with large men and baseball bats. Same thing with the optional web enhancements for books. Really, wizards should just print updates and errata and send them to my house at no charge. It would be better for the hobby, and I wouldn’t have to use that new-fangled machine.

There’s even more that they are doing to change my beloved game in ways that I think are evil, but even thinking about them makes me ill. Personally, I am shocked (SHOCKED) to learn that there is anyone out there that is at all excited about these changes. It’s like wizards just wants to make money. I think the game should be produced with fairy dust instead.

I think I’ll go back to 1e where the men where men, the elves were elves, and the grass was always greener.
Rogue Shadows
08-22-07, 10:16 AM ...

:lol:

At least, I'm assuming this is a joke. It reads like a joke.
Grogmir
08-22-07, 10:29 AM Fail to see what any of that Rant has to do with Hippies though?:confused:
Escef
08-22-07, 10:38 AM Fail to see what any of that Rant has to do with Hippies though?:confused:

Maybe?
RadicalTaoist
08-22-07, 11:09 AM It's a joke, and a well done one. I applaud you, zephyrmage, and grant you the LOL of the Moment position in my sig.
jaelis
08-22-07, 11:32 AM I suppose if they made the books really heavy and you dropped them on your shoe, 4th Ed could crush your sole, too.

Or maybe if you're eating fish.
bonethug0108
08-22-07, 11:55 AM Good topic. :)
Breetai
08-22-07, 12:26 PM Couldn't Agree more. The whole fighting against the alignment concept is a great thermometer on how soo many want RPing out of the way of thier combat.
s4ndm4n
08-22-07, 12:38 PM Personally, I am shocked (SHOCKED) to learn that there is anyone out there that is at all excited about these changes. It’s like wizards just wants to make money. .

Actually, there are some D&D junkies that routinely buy every -_- WotC publishes.EVERY MONTH.THEY EVEN USE THEIR CREDIT CARDS.
Thegans
08-22-07, 12:44 PM I can’t believe how WOTC has totally screwed me over and their rules stifle RP so much. I mean, its like they wanted to make rules for tactical combat but leave RP totally up to our imaginations! In fact, I can remember playing in a Covenant of Light mod a few weeks ago where I made a bard. I even optimized him to be a powerful combat buffer for the 6 man group. I had to use my imagination when I played him like a televangelist shouting “Praise the Flame!” and using his message spells to give words of encouragement to party members. I even got some players to have fun with it to, shouting some Praise the Flames back at me. The rules did not tell me I could do this, or even give me specific outlines on how to do it! I kept trying to find my +2 to roleplaying flute but had no luck. I can’t believe how much this has turned into a video game.

I cannot stress how this makes me dread the arrival of 4th edition. Streamlining combat? Sounds like hippie crap to me. Why would I want combat to quicker? So I could spend time imagining combat or interacting with my party members or NPCs? Not likely. I need specific roleplay abilities, goals, and rewards if they want that.

Now they want to give me the option to play online with my friends that don’t live around me anymore. Again, hippie crap. They probably want us all to burn money on an altar to WOTC just to log on. And whats with the optional part? Its like they expect that some people might not want to use it. Everyone knows that if wizards wants your money you have to give it to them or they come to your house with large men and baseball bats. Same thing with the optional web enhancements for books. Really, wizards should just print updates and errata and send them to my house at no charge. It would be better for the hobby, and I wouldn’t have to use that new-fangled machine.

There’s even more that they are doing to change my beloved game in ways that I think are evil, but even thinking about them makes me ill. Personally, I am shocked (SHOCKED) to learn that there is anyone out there that is at all excited about these changes. It’s like wizards just wants to make money. I think the game should be produced with fairy dust instead.

I think I’ll go back to 1e where the men where men, the elves were elves, and the grass was always greener.

Can I have the remains of your soul since you probably won't be using it any longer?
Seeker95
08-22-07, 12:56 PM It took me two full reads to realize your entire post is sarcastic. I suspect this has a lot to do with the degree to which it so closely parallels the things folks have said in far too many other threads!
Jefuri no Oni
08-22-07, 01:26 PM I for one am looking forward to D&D being more like a video game. Every time I kill another PC I always yell "OMG I PWANED a NOOB!":D So making D&D more like a video game is the next logical step.
fatal error
08-22-07, 01:49 PM :rofl: :clap: :clap:

The fact that he is calling people hippies is to emphasize the fact that he is an unreasonable walking anachronism. Obviously "hippie" is not the term a modern person would apply to the features he is talking about, but he is so entrenched in old school ideas that what other people would call "video gamy" he calls "hippie junk."
Toran_A_Sunder
08-22-07, 02:12 PM I for one am looking forward to D&D being more like a video game. Every time I kill another PC I always yell "OMG I PWANED a NOOB!":D So making D&D more like a video game is the next logical step.

I am SO doing this next time I kill someone in game...PC or monster or NPC alike.
bonethug0108
08-22-07, 03:54 PM It took me two full reads to realize your entire post is sarcastic. I suspect this has a lot to do with the degree to which it so closely parallels the things folks have said in far too many other threads!

Exactly why it is a good thread.:)

People need to relax a little.:P
Optimator
08-22-07, 07:38 PM This post made me feel good. That is all.
efraker
08-22-07, 08:35 PM Great success!
Tempest Stormwind
08-22-07, 08:40 PM I for one am looking forward to D&D being more like a video game. Every time I kill another PC I always yell "OMG I PWANED a NOOB!":D So making D&D more like a video game is the next logical step.

Just so long as you don't hump your recent kill. That's where the line is drawn.

There's not much to say on this thread that hasn't already been said. It's a thing of beauty.
VulcanStormwrath
08-22-07, 08:46 PM That is the funniest thing I've read today. :clap:
baby_kamikaize_kobold
08-22-07, 08:56 PM Just so long as you don't hump your recent kill. That's where the line is drawn.

There's a crouch command in D&D now? awsome I am so going to do that to my DM next time I kill an enemy in full-plate.
HarlequinHelsing
08-22-07, 09:05 PM Sarcastic, subtle, hilarious, genius. Zephyrmage, I salute you.
zephyrmage42
08-22-07, 09:55 PM Wow, thanks guys. I'm glad you enjoy it, especially some of the bigger forum names. I'm a big lurker, but sometimes I feel the need to post!
Optimator
08-22-07, 10:27 PM This thread is what happens when you roll a natural 20 on one's Sarcasm/Profession(Troll)/Craft(Thread) skills.
Waterhammer
08-23-07, 12:10 AM Never trust a hippie. It's the crime of the century. Who shot little Bambi?

It's a quote from somewhere. May not be exactly exact.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
zephyrmage42 08-22-07, 10:12 AM	I can’t believe how WOTC has totally screwed me over and their rules stifle RP so much. I mean, its like they wanted to make rules for tactical combat but leave RP totally up to our imaginations! In fact, I can remember playing in a Covenant of Light mod a few weeks ago where I made a bard. I even optimized him to be a powerful combat buffer for the 6 man group. I had to use my imagination when I played him like a televangelist shouting “Praise the Flame!” and using his message spells to give words of encouragement to party members. I even got some players to have fun with it to, shouting some Praise the Flames back at me. The rules did not tell me I could do this, or even give me specific outlines on how to do it! I kept trying to find my +2 to roleplaying flute but had no luck. I can’t believe how much this has turned into a video game. I cannot stress how this makes me dread the arrival of 4th edition. Streamlining combat? Sounds like hippie crap to me. Why would I want combat to quicker? So I could spend time imagining combat or interacting with my party members or NPCs? Not likely. I need specific roleplay abilities, goals, and rewards if they want that. Now they want to give me the option to play online with my friends that don’t live around me anymore. Again, hippie crap. They probably want us all to burn money on an altar to WOTC just to log on. And whats with the optional part? Its like they expect that some people might not want to use it. Everyone knows that if wizards wants your money you have to give it to them or they come to your house with large men and baseball bats. Same thing with the optional web enhancements for books. Really, wizards should just print updates and errata and send them to my house at no charge. It would be better for the hobby, and I wouldn’t have to use that new-fangled machine. There’s even more that they are doing to change my beloved game in ways that I think are evil, but even thinking about them makes me ill. Personally, I am shocked (SHOCKED) to learn that there is anyone out there that is at all excited about these changes. It’s like wizards just wants to make money. I think the game should be produced with fairy dust instead. I think I’ll go back to 1e where the men where men, the elves were elves, and the grass was always greener.
Rogue Shadows 08-22-07, 10:16 AM	... :lol: At least, I'm assuming this is a joke. It reads like a joke.
Grogmir 08-22-07, 10:29 AM	Fail to see what any of that Rant has to do with Hippies though?:confused:
Escef 08-22-07, 10:38 AM	Fail to see what any of that Rant has to do with Hippies though?:confused: Maybe?
RadicalTaoist 08-22-07, 11:09 AM	It's a joke, and a well done one. I applaud you, zephyrmage, and grant you the LOL of the Moment position in my sig.
jaelis 08-22-07, 11:32 AM	I suppose if they made the books really heavy and you dropped them on your shoe, 4th Ed could crush your sole, too. Or maybe if you're eating fish.
bonethug0108 08-22-07, 11:55 AM	Good topic. :)
Breetai 08-22-07, 12:26 PM	Couldn't Agree more. The whole fighting against the alignment concept is a great thermometer on how soo many want RPing out of the way of thier combat.
s4ndm4n 08-22-07, 12:38 PM	Personally, I am shocked (SHOCKED) to learn that there is anyone out there that is at all excited about these changes. It’s like wizards just wants to make money. . Actually, there are some D&D junkies that routinely buy every -_- WotC publishes.EVERY MONTH.THEY EVEN USE THEIR CREDIT CARDS.
Thegans 08-22-07, 12:44 PM	I can’t believe how WOTC has totally screwed me over and their rules stifle RP so much. I mean, its like they wanted to make rules for tactical combat but leave RP totally up to our imaginations! In fact, I can remember playing in a Covenant of Light mod a few weeks ago where I made a bard. I even optimized him to be a powerful combat buffer for the 6 man group. I had to use my imagination when I played him like a televangelist shouting “Praise the Flame!” and using his message spells to give words of encouragement to party members. I even got some players to have fun with it to, shouting some Praise the Flames back at me. The rules did not tell me I could do this, or even give me specific outlines on how to do it! I kept trying to find my +2 to roleplaying flute but had no luck. I can’t believe how much this has turned into a video game. I cannot stress how this makes me dread the arrival of 4th edition. Streamlining combat? Sounds like hippie crap to me. Why would I want combat to quicker? So I could spend time imagining combat or interacting with my party members or NPCs? Not likely. I need specific roleplay abilities, goals, and rewards if they want that. Now they want to give me the option to play online with my friends that don’t live around me anymore. Again, hippie crap. They probably want us all to burn money on an altar to WOTC just to log on. And whats with the optional part? Its like they expect that some people might not want to use it. Everyone knows that if wizards wants your money you have to give it to them or they come to your house with large men and baseball bats. Same thing with the optional web enhancements for books. Really, wizards should just print updates and errata and send them to my house at no charge. It would be better for the hobby, and I wouldn’t have to use that new-fangled machine. There’s even more that they are doing to change my beloved game in ways that I think are evil, but even thinking about them makes me ill. Personally, I am shocked (SHOCKED) to learn that there is anyone out there that is at all excited about these changes. It’s like wizards just wants to make money. I think the game should be produced with fairy dust instead. I think I’ll go back to 1e where the men where men, the elves were elves, and the grass was always greener. Can I have the remains of your soul since you probably won't be using it any longer?
Seeker95 08-22-07, 12:56 PM	It took me two full reads to realize your entire post is sarcastic. I suspect this has a lot to do with the degree to which it so closely parallels the things folks have said in far too many other threads!
Jefuri no Oni 08-22-07, 01:26 PM	I for one am looking forward to D&D being more like a video game. Every time I kill another PC I always yell "OMG I PWANED a NOOB!":D So making D&D more like a video game is the next logical step.
fatal error 08-22-07, 01:49 PM	:rofl: :clap: :clap: The fact that he is calling people hippies is to emphasize the fact that he is an unreasonable walking anachronism. Obviously "hippie" is not the term a modern person would apply to the features he is talking about, but he is so entrenched in old school ideas that what other people would call "video gamy" he calls "hippie junk."
Toran_A_Sunder 08-22-07, 02:12 PM	I for one am looking forward to D&D being more like a video game. Every time I kill another PC I always yell "OMG I PWANED a NOOB!":D So making D&D more like a video game is the next logical step. I am SO doing this next time I kill someone in game...PC or monster or NPC alike.
bonethug0108 08-22-07, 03:54 PM	It took me two full reads to realize your entire post is sarcastic. I suspect this has a lot to do with the degree to which it so closely parallels the things folks have said in far too many other threads! Exactly why it is a good thread.:) People need to relax a little.:P
Optimator 08-22-07, 07:38 PM	This post made me feel good. That is all.
efraker 08-22-07, 08:35 PM	Great success!
Tempest Stormwind 08-22-07, 08:40 PM	I for one am looking forward to D&D being more like a video game. Every time I kill another PC I always yell "OMG I PWANED a NOOB!":D So making D&D more like a video game is the next logical step. Just so long as you don't hump your recent kill. That's where the line is drawn. There's not much to say on this thread that hasn't already been said. It's a thing of beauty.
VulcanStormwrath 08-22-07, 08:46 PM	That is the funniest thing I've read today. :clap:
baby_kamikaize_kobold 08-22-07, 08:56 PM	Just so long as you don't hump your recent kill. That's where the line is drawn. There's a crouch command in D&D now? awsome I am so going to do that to my DM next time I kill an enemy in full-plate.
HarlequinHelsing 08-22-07, 09:05 PM	Sarcastic, subtle, hilarious, genius. Zephyrmage, I salute you.
zephyrmage42 08-22-07, 09:55 PM	Wow, thanks guys. I'm glad you enjoy it, especially some of the bigger forum names. I'm a big lurker, but sometimes I feel the need to post!
Optimator 08-22-07, 10:27 PM	This thread is what happens when you roll a natural 20 on one's Sarcasm/Profession(Troll)/Craft(Thread) skills.
Waterhammer 08-23-07, 12:10 AM	Never trust a hippie. It's the crime of the century. Who shot little Bambi? It's a quote from somewhere. May not be exactly exact.