4th edition?! [Archive] - Wizards Community

4th edition?! [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Terak_the_Doom_Hammer
08-28-06, 04:33 PM Ok no offense but they need to stop this crap. D&D doesn't need to be like the power rangers and have multiple editions that eventually run it into the ground and need to be shot to be put out of its misery before it embarasses itself anymore.

Here is the link: http://www.enworld.org/index.php?page=4e

Go to it and read what it says. It will explain everything.
the black knight
08-28-06, 04:44 PM It explains nothing. Now take a chill pill.
Terak_the_Doom_Hammer
08-28-06, 04:49 PM what do u mean "It doesn't explain anything"? It proves that wizards is planning on coming out with another edition of D&D in the next 2 years.

I'm just afraid that they are going to make the game worse instead of better. Like bringing stupid rules back like "THACO" and the like. And making the game harder to play than what it was like in 3.5. (Which simplified game play 100 fold by letting up on all the stupid unnecessary rules.)
THe last thing I want is for Wizards to ruin ANOTHER good game.
Romtos
08-28-06, 04:58 PM what do u mean "It doesn't explain anything"? It proves that wizards is planning on coming out with another edition of D&D in the next 2 years.
Can you quote this 'prove'?
I'm not able to find it. :)
Optimator
08-28-06, 05:01 PM I'm just afraid that they are going to make the game worse instead of better. Like bringing stupid rules back like "THACO" and the like. And making the game harder to play than what it was like in 3.5. (Which simplified game play 100 fold by letting up on all the stupid unnecessary rules.).

Um, hello? It's spelled 'THAC0', not 'THACO'. Just kidding. God, I hated THAC0.
Kojiro James
08-28-06, 06:03 PM SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!!
Bob Loblaw
08-28-06, 06:11 PM It really explained nothing. The only people speculating about 4th edition were not people who would be working on it. The only thing that could even remotely be considered "official" are the parts from Sivils and Dancey, yet neither one actually says that 4th edition is right around the corner.

In fact, they both mention that WotC is always working on ways to improve the system in ways that the community wants. What they don't come right out and say is this: "when the number of houserules outnumber the actual rules, we will see a new edition." This is what happened with 1st and then 2nd edition. The houserules to fix problems we pervasive and consistent throughout the community so TSR (then WotC) made the appropriate adjustments. There were so many, new editions were warrented. Technically, this is the same thing that happened with 3.0 to 3.5, they just kept the core mechanic the same so no completely new edition was needed.

Before people keep getting their panties in a bunch over THAC0, it went the way of the dino. It was a good mechanic for the system the way it was set up, but things changed. THAC0 will not work if they keep the idea of higher numbers being better.

Before speculating on what rules will change, don't ask what they will bring back (they probably won't because it's gone for a reason). Ask what POSITIVE changes could we see in a new edition?
Bruunwald
08-28-06, 06:28 PM That guy takes a giant leap in ... erm... "logic," drawing such conclusions as he has.

When somebody says that something will not exist in 2007, it is not proof or in any way an indication that it will exist in 2008.

For instance, say my mother asked if my wife and I were going to have another child, and I said, "not this year, anyway."

One would not expect my mother to then call every relation we have and tell them that we will be having a child next year.

"Not this year," does not mean "Yes, next year."

It means NOT THIS YEAR. And that's all it means.

This is even more true when you consider that the 2007 date was probably forced into the conversation by the questioner, not the answerer.

This is an old tabloid trick. You ask the guy repeatedly if he intends to do something this year. When he finally gets fed up and says "no, not this year," you then get to imply that he is indicating he will do it next year. Sells papers, doesn't it? Too bad it doesn't have to have any basis in good reporting or truth.

Anyway, my old pal Jace pulled this sort of switcheroo on me all the time, which is one reason why I don't talk to him much anymore.
King Bulba
08-28-06, 06:29 PM Yeah 3.5 has some pretty stupid things in it. How do you know it is going to make things worse. It could make things 100% better, like replacing objective alignment /hint. Alignment ALWAYS creates problems since no two people agree 100%, there is always a thread going about it. Be nice to have a system that replaces it that actully makes sense unlike the current system. 3.5 says anything with 2 or less int cant be good or evil but mindless undead are. There are many things that can be changed for the better.
Jhaelen
08-28-06, 06:30 PM what do u mean "It doesn't explain anything"? It proves that wizards is planning on coming out with another edition of D&D in the next 2 years..:rofl: What have you been smoking? A proof is something entirely different.
And making the game harder to play than what it was like in 3.5. (Which simplified game play 100 fold by letting up on all the stupid unnecessary rules.)No offense intended, but I have a feeling you're suffering from convenient partial amnesia:
While the 3.5 rules are clearly better organized and complete than those of earlier editions they are not at all any easier!
It's become virtually impossible to play out a fight without using miniatures and some parts of the rules are overly complicated, e.g. grappling is basically a parallel combat rule-set.

Then again, maybe I'm all wrong and I'm the one suffering from partial amnesia ;)
Alder_Fiter_Galaz
08-28-06, 06:47 PM If Wizards even launches 4th edition, the OGL and the different posibilities it make posible all messed up, and its sure that many people still use of the OGL thus winning money and Wizards lose grip (and money) of all this.

Its more logical financially talking to launch 3.6 edition, thus you put more books to sell, and not lose the old gamers.

At least it is what i think about it.
Alcalientre
08-28-06, 06:49 PM While there is no proof that 4E will come out in '08, those quotes make it sound fairly likely. But why is this such a bad thing? If 3.5 is so much of an improvement over previous editions, isn't it possible that 4E will be better than 3.5? In my opinion, 3.5 is far from perfect. And if 4E isn't better, don't play it.
Kratilim Valqui
08-28-06, 06:50 PM PPL, please give everyone here a break and STOP MAKING NEW TOPICS ON 4TH EDITION. Don't think about it until wotc makes the anouncement
salamando66
08-28-06, 07:19 PM PPL, please give everyone here a break and STOP MAKING NEW TOPICS ON 4TH EDITION. Don't think about it until wotc makes the anouncement

Kratilim is perfectly right. Even if it is a prospect you have several years before you have to worry.
Mighty_Draco
08-28-06, 07:31 PM as much as I don't like some big companies, one thing you can always trust about them is that they will try their very hardest to make lots of money. In this case they want to make a new edition in some unknown time in the future. If they want to earn much money off of it they better make it well made.
Lokathor
08-28-06, 07:40 PM If Wizards even launches 4th edition, the OGL and the different posibilities it make posible all messed up, and its sure that many people still use of the OGL thus winning money and Wizards lose grip (and money) of all this.

Why not, dare I suggest, make 4th edition OGL aswell?

I hardly doubt they'd even want to change the "core mechanic", because people love it so much.
Silverthumb128
08-28-06, 07:47 PM This thread's going places.
Michael_Morris
08-28-06, 08:03 PM what do u mean "It doesn't explain anything"? It proves that wizards is planning on coming out with another edition of D&D in the next 2 years.

I'm just afraid that they are going to make the game worse instead of better. Like bringing stupid rules back like "THACO" and the like. And making the game harder to play than what it was like in 3.5. (Which simplified game play 100 fold by letting up on all the stupid unnecessary rules.)
THe last thing I want is for Wizards to ruin ANOTHER good game.

It proves nothing. As one of the senior administrators of EN World I can assure you we don't have any advance knowledge the rest of the public does not where 4e is concerned.
Gorgosaure
08-28-06, 08:13 PM Its more logical financially talking to launch 3.6 edition, thus you put more books to sell, and not lose the old gamers.
I agree with you 100%

A top-notch 3.6 (:D ) core would be really appreciated by the community.
- With a lot of small fixes on : classes, spells, feats, combat (optional rules for those who play without a grid). Best material from non-core books, psionics is an exemple. The polymorph problem to rewrite, and many others. AT YOU! ;)

My 2 cents that the 4.0 is in fact a 3.6 ! :cheer:

Gorgo
Michael_Morris
08-28-06, 08:25 PM The only 3.6 I'm worried about is vbulletin 3.6.

Now, someone pass my the tylenol.
Beckett
08-29-06, 01:07 AM I don't really see the problem. WotC was pretty out in the open with the advent of 3.5 saying that the new edition would still be published about ten years later. That is actually pretty common, as most bigger publishing companies will do a new edition about once a decade, to one change old core rules that they felt are to in use to just up and change in errata, to revitalize their sales loses after the years, and to make slight shifts in the general content and theme of their future products. I mean it kind of had to happen. TSR did it what, like six times or so in 20 years. And the fans loved it till the end. Sure, you gotta buy new material, but not every single thing you already own is going to become instantly useless, or WotC will fail ten times worse than TSR, which was not entirely their own fault.
Bob Loblaw
08-29-06, 11:11 AM When it comes to DnD, TSR only made two edition changes. They went from the OD&D to AD&D to 2nd Ed AD&D. For their other systems, yeah some went through a ton of edition changes and the fans still swamped to them for a while. Eventually the fans got tired of trying to keep up and the game faded. DnD goes through a major overhall very slowly compared to other RPGs. That doesn't make it any better, but it does show that the designers are reluctant to simply pump out new editions.
crowclub
08-29-06, 12:06 PM The only certainties in life are Death, Taxes and 4th-Ed.

However, If you're using 3.5 now and are enjoying it, I don't see a problem. When it's released you will have the option of not buying it. You see, as with all new releases, you have the deciding vote on whether to buy it or not.

I'm sure there are many people still using 1st-Ed, 2nd-Ed & 3rd-Ed and still having a great time!

If you take the 3 Core books, add PHB 2, DMG 2, all Complete Books and all say, Forgotten Realms books, you have enough info to role-play D&D for ever and a day!

So many people moan about mistakes in 3.5, but as soon as WotC say something new is coming, people moan about that too!
Let's just wait and see what happens. WotC know it's going to have to be very good or they'll just not sell any new stuff. It's that simple.

On the bright side, if 4th-Ed does bugger up the game then some other company will take over and maybe they wont have the Hasbro money making machine pushing them along. This will probably mean less books but we already have hundreds of them!

Fantasy works in mysterious ways!
Luis_Carlos
08-29-06, 12:40 PM "We find them very funny.... WotC does like to hear about what fans want in a new edition as some of the items that are coming out this year are from what fans talked about online a few years ago. When WotC decides to announce the release of a 4th edition we will give trade partners and fans ample time to prepare."

WotC does like to hear about what fans want in a new edition

It´s very intelligent from WotC. Do you know the quote ¨the client always is right¨?

Please, be careful with the.......misunderstandings.
Fion81
08-29-06, 12:51 PM says will give ample time to prepare.
man, you know 4th edition will eventually come out, and probably not for a bit, just relax, id like it now if they did it tbh.
GrimOdinson
08-29-06, 04:39 PM I like 3.5, I own damn near every book made by it. When and if anyone converts to 4.0, I'll probably be content to stay in 3.5 given the fact I have invested so much into this game and probably won't explore 1/1000th of the options and modifications I can make to the game now. Thats not to say I don't appreciate the modifications and options, I do. Very much so in fact.

If you can write a better game, have at it and submit rules to a publisher. Otherwise, ya got no reason to whine.
rudie
08-29-06, 05:01 PM Well, with the amount of 'stuff' coming out right now I doubt it will be within the next 2 years.

Even so, just because there is a new edition doesnt mean you HAVE to play the new edition, there are plenty of old timers who are still quite content with 1st and 2nd ed.
Frozen Yakman
08-29-06, 10:48 PM When it comes to DnD, TSR only made two edition changes. They went from the OD&D to AD&D to 2nd Ed AD&D. For their other systems, yeah some went through a ton of edition changes and the fans still swamped to them for a while. Eventually the fans got tired of trying to keep up and the game faded. DnD goes through a major overhall very slowly compared to other RPGs. That doesn't make it any better, but it does show that the designers are reluctant to simply pump out new editions.

For some examples HERO is in its Revised 5th edition, GURPS is in its 4th, Shadowrun is in its 4th as well, Marvel has had at least 3 supers games, Mutants and Masterminds is already in its second. So yeah, as the oldest RPG system family out there having only 5 editions is pretty good.
Horatio Hornblower
08-29-06, 11:02 PM My 2 cents that the 4.0 is in fact a 3.6 ! :cheer:

4.0 is already here! We call it 3.5! :w00t:
Jay2577
08-30-06, 08:47 AM Just a question here, even if they brought out a 4th edition, coulf you not continue playing 3.5, 3rd, etc....? Just because they bring it out, does not mean you need to play it.

J
babysamurai
08-30-06, 08:55 AM I keep telling you people – they already have 7th edition in Japan.

…of course it’s smaller, faster and cheaper.
Xyxox
08-30-06, 10:48 AM It'll happen some time late 2007 to mid 2010.

You can tell by the glut of material on the market. It's just a matter of time.
babysamurai
08-30-06, 10:53 AM It'll happen some time late 2007 to mid 2010.

...Oh, yeah, of course...

If we go by previous editions - I think 2011 at the earliest.
Xyxox
08-30-06, 11:06 AM ...Oh, yeah, of course...

If we go by previous editions - I think 2011 at the earliest.

You can't go by previous editions. You have to go with the market. Currently, there is a glut of material on the market. something needs to be done to shake things up and allow a new market cycle of new material.

I'd even go so far as to suggest you watch the Winter Fantasy conventions over the next three years. My guess is, based upon everything WoTC has been doing, that Winter Fantasy will be where they will announce the upcoming new edition one year out. It's already too late for a Gen Con announcement, and WoTC has been de-emphasizing Gen Con of late. This means anything happening in late 2007 is extremely unlikely.

If we are to see a 4E in 2008, most likely you'll hear an announcement at Winter Fantasy 2007. I'd say the odds of that are fairly small because there would be a lot of hints of something big coming at Winter Fantasy 2007. A Gen Con 2007 announcement would put the release in late 2008. That would be what I would consider optimal based upon current market saturation levels, but is not as likely as a Winter Fantasy announcement, IMO.

Taking those things into consideration, Winter Fantasy 2008 may be the most likely announcement time. That would put a release in early 2009,

A 2011 release is way out of line with the current market glut. something needs to be done in order to refresh sales.
babysamurai
08-30-06, 11:18 AM A 2011 release is way out of line with the current market glut. something needs to be done in order to refresh sales.

Are the sales that bad, ala TSR?
Xyxox
08-30-06, 11:22 AM Are the sales that bad, ala TSR?

RPG sales overall throughout the market are down.

That said, a publically traded corporation demands more than just good sales and profits. Growth and meeting set goals are what matters. In order to provide sales growth in the D&D line, a shake up will become necessary
babysamurai
08-30-06, 11:35 AM In order to provide sales growth in the D&D line, a shake up will become necessary

“Shake yo money maker!”
GreyLord
09-01-06, 10:49 PM RPG sales overall throughout the market are down.

That said, a publically traded corporation demands more than just good sales and profits. Growth and meeting set goals are what matters. In order to provide sales growth in the D&D line, a shake up will become necessary

That checks with everything I've been seeing for two years now (despite what some "Wizards" officials have been saying) and brought up occasionally on the forums...not that anyone wants to really hear or believe anything like that.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Terak_the_Doom_Hammer 08-28-06, 04:33 PM	Ok no offense but they need to stop this crap. D&D doesn't need to be like the power rangers and have multiple editions that eventually run it into the ground and need to be shot to be put out of its misery before it embarasses itself anymore. Here is the link: http://www.enworld.org/index.php?page=4e Go to it and read what it says. It will explain everything.
the black knight 08-28-06, 04:44 PM	It explains nothing. Now take a chill pill.
Terak_the_Doom_Hammer 08-28-06, 04:49 PM	what do u mean "It doesn't explain anything"? It proves that wizards is planning on coming out with another edition of D&D in the next 2 years. I'm just afraid that they are going to make the game worse instead of better. Like bringing stupid rules back like "THACO" and the like. And making the game harder to play than what it was like in 3.5. (Which simplified game play 100 fold by letting up on all the stupid unnecessary rules.) THe last thing I want is for Wizards to ruin ANOTHER good game.
Romtos 08-28-06, 04:58 PM	what do u mean "It doesn't explain anything"? It proves that wizards is planning on coming out with another edition of D&D in the next 2 years. Can you quote this 'prove'? I'm not able to find it. :)
Optimator 08-28-06, 05:01 PM	I'm just afraid that they are going to make the game worse instead of better. Like bringing stupid rules back like "THACO" and the like. And making the game harder to play than what it was like in 3.5. (Which simplified game play 100 fold by letting up on all the stupid unnecessary rules.). Um, hello? It's spelled 'THAC0', not 'THACO'. Just kidding. God, I hated THAC0.
Kojiro James 08-28-06, 06:03 PM	SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!!
Bob Loblaw 08-28-06, 06:11 PM	It really explained nothing. The only people speculating about 4th edition were not people who would be working on it. The only thing that could even remotely be considered "official" are the parts from Sivils and Dancey, yet neither one actually says that 4th edition is right around the corner. In fact, they both mention that WotC is always working on ways to improve the system in ways that the community wants. What they don't come right out and say is this: "when the number of houserules outnumber the actual rules, we will see a new edition." This is what happened with 1st and then 2nd edition. The houserules to fix problems we pervasive and consistent throughout the community so TSR (then WotC) made the appropriate adjustments. There were so many, new editions were warrented. Technically, this is the same thing that happened with 3.0 to 3.5, they just kept the core mechanic the same so no completely new edition was needed. Before people keep getting their panties in a bunch over THAC0, it went the way of the dino. It was a good mechanic for the system the way it was set up, but things changed. THAC0 will not work if they keep the idea of higher numbers being better. Before speculating on what rules will change, don't ask what they will bring back (they probably won't because it's gone for a reason). Ask what POSITIVE changes could we see in a new edition?
Bruunwald 08-28-06, 06:28 PM	That guy takes a giant leap in ... erm... "logic," drawing such conclusions as he has. When somebody says that something will not exist in 2007, it is not proof or in any way an indication that it will exist in 2008. For instance, say my mother asked if my wife and I were going to have another child, and I said, "not this year, anyway." One would not expect my mother to then call every relation we have and tell them that we will be having a child next year. "Not this year," does not mean "Yes, next year." It means NOT THIS YEAR. And that's all it means. This is even more true when you consider that the 2007 date was probably forced into the conversation by the questioner, not the answerer. This is an old tabloid trick. You ask the guy repeatedly if he intends to do something this year. When he finally gets fed up and says "no, not this year," you then get to imply that he is indicating he will do it next year. Sells papers, doesn't it? Too bad it doesn't have to have any basis in good reporting or truth. Anyway, my old pal Jace pulled this sort of switcheroo on me all the time, which is one reason why I don't talk to him much anymore.
King Bulba 08-28-06, 06:29 PM	Yeah 3.5 has some pretty stupid things in it. How do you know it is going to make things worse. It could make things 100% better, like replacing objective alignment /hint. Alignment ALWAYS creates problems since no two people agree 100%, there is always a thread going about it. Be nice to have a system that replaces it that actully makes sense unlike the current system. 3.5 says anything with 2 or less int cant be good or evil but mindless undead are. There are many things that can be changed for the better.
Jhaelen 08-28-06, 06:30 PM	what do u mean "It doesn't explain anything"? It proves that wizards is planning on coming out with another edition of D&D in the next 2 years..:rofl: What have you been smoking? A proof is something entirely different. And making the game harder to play than what it was like in 3.5. (Which simplified game play 100 fold by letting up on all the stupid unnecessary rules.)No offense intended, but I have a feeling you're suffering from convenient partial amnesia: While the 3.5 rules are clearly better organized and complete than those of earlier editions they are not at all any easier! It's become virtually impossible to play out a fight without using miniatures and some parts of the rules are overly complicated, e.g. grappling is basically a parallel combat rule-set. Then again, maybe I'm all wrong and I'm the one suffering from partial amnesia ;)
Alder_Fiter_Galaz 08-28-06, 06:47 PM	If Wizards even launches 4th edition, the OGL and the different posibilities it make posible all messed up, and its sure that many people still use of the OGL thus winning money and Wizards lose grip (and money) of all this. Its more logical financially talking to launch 3.6 edition, thus you put more books to sell, and not lose the old gamers. At least it is what i think about it.
Alcalientre 08-28-06, 06:49 PM	While there is no proof that 4E will come out in '08, those quotes make it sound fairly likely. But why is this such a bad thing? If 3.5 is so much of an improvement over previous editions, isn't it possible that 4E will be better than 3.5? In my opinion, 3.5 is far from perfect. And if 4E isn't better, don't play it.
Kratilim Valqui 08-28-06, 06:50 PM	PPL, please give everyone here a break and STOP MAKING NEW TOPICS ON 4TH EDITION. Don't think about it until wotc makes the anouncement
salamando66 08-28-06, 07:19 PM	PPL, please give everyone here a break and STOP MAKING NEW TOPICS ON 4TH EDITION. Don't think about it until wotc makes the anouncement Kratilim is perfectly right. Even if it is a prospect you have several years before you have to worry.
Mighty_Draco 08-28-06, 07:31 PM	as much as I don't like some big companies, one thing you can always trust about them is that they will try their very hardest to make lots of money. In this case they want to make a new edition in some unknown time in the future. If they want to earn much money off of it they better make it well made.
Lokathor 08-28-06, 07:40 PM	If Wizards even launches 4th edition, the OGL and the different posibilities it make posible all messed up, and its sure that many people still use of the OGL thus winning money and Wizards lose grip (and money) of all this. Why not, dare I suggest, make 4th edition OGL aswell? I hardly doubt they'd even want to change the "core mechanic", because people love it so much.
Silverthumb128 08-28-06, 07:47 PM	This thread's going places.
Michael_Morris 08-28-06, 08:03 PM	what do u mean "It doesn't explain anything"? It proves that wizards is planning on coming out with another edition of D&D in the next 2 years. I'm just afraid that they are going to make the game worse instead of better. Like bringing stupid rules back like "THACO" and the like. And making the game harder to play than what it was like in 3.5. (Which simplified game play 100 fold by letting up on all the stupid unnecessary rules.) THe last thing I want is for Wizards to ruin ANOTHER good game. It proves nothing. As one of the senior administrators of EN World I can assure you we don't have any advance knowledge the rest of the public does not where 4e is concerned.
Gorgosaure 08-28-06, 08:13 PM	Its more logical financially talking to launch 3.6 edition, thus you put more books to sell, and not lose the old gamers. I agree with you 100% A top-notch 3.6 (:D ) core would be really appreciated by the community. - With a lot of small fixes on : classes, spells, feats, combat (optional rules for those who play without a grid). Best material from non-core books, psionics is an exemple. The polymorph problem to rewrite, and many others. AT YOU! ;) My 2 cents that the 4.0 is in fact a 3.6 ! :cheer: Gorgo
Michael_Morris 08-28-06, 08:25 PM	The only 3.6 I'm worried about is vbulletin 3.6. Now, someone pass my the tylenol.
Beckett 08-29-06, 01:07 AM	I don't really see the problem. WotC was pretty out in the open with the advent of 3.5 saying that the new edition would still be published about ten years later. That is actually pretty common, as most bigger publishing companies will do a new edition about once a decade, to one change old core rules that they felt are to in use to just up and change in errata, to revitalize their sales loses after the years, and to make slight shifts in the general content and theme of their future products. I mean it kind of had to happen. TSR did it what, like six times or so in 20 years. And the fans loved it till the end. Sure, you gotta buy new material, but not every single thing you already own is going to become instantly useless, or WotC will fail ten times worse than TSR, which was not entirely their own fault.
Bob Loblaw 08-29-06, 11:11 AM	When it comes to DnD, TSR only made two edition changes. They went from the OD&D to AD&D to 2nd Ed AD&D. For their other systems, yeah some went through a ton of edition changes and the fans still swamped to them for a while. Eventually the fans got tired of trying to keep up and the game faded. DnD goes through a major overhall very slowly compared to other RPGs. That doesn't make it any better, but it does show that the designers are reluctant to simply pump out new editions.
crowclub 08-29-06, 12:06 PM	The only certainties in life are Death, Taxes and 4th-Ed. However, If you're using 3.5 now and are enjoying it, I don't see a problem. When it's released you will have the option of not buying it. You see, as with all new releases, you have the deciding vote on whether to buy it or not. I'm sure there are many people still using 1st-Ed, 2nd-Ed & 3rd-Ed and still having a great time! If you take the 3 Core books, add PHB 2, DMG 2, all Complete Books and all say, Forgotten Realms books, you have enough info to role-play D&D for ever and a day! So many people moan about mistakes in 3.5, but as soon as WotC say something new is coming, people moan about that too! Let's just wait and see what happens. WotC know it's going to have to be very good or they'll just not sell any new stuff. It's that simple. On the bright side, if 4th-Ed does bugger up the game then some other company will take over and maybe they wont have the Hasbro money making machine pushing them along. This will probably mean less books but we already have hundreds of them! Fantasy works in mysterious ways!
Luis_Carlos 08-29-06, 12:40 PM	"We find them very funny.... WotC does like to hear about what fans want in a new edition as some of the items that are coming out this year are from what fans talked about online a few years ago. When WotC decides to announce the release of a 4th edition we will give trade partners and fans ample time to prepare." WotC does like to hear about what fans want in a new edition It´s very intelligent from WotC. Do you know the quote ¨the client always is right¨? Please, be careful with the.......misunderstandings.
Fion81 08-29-06, 12:51 PM	says will give ample time to prepare. man, you know 4th edition will eventually come out, and probably not for a bit, just relax, id like it now if they did it tbh.
GrimOdinson 08-29-06, 04:39 PM	I like 3.5, I own damn near every book made by it. When and if anyone converts to 4.0, I'll probably be content to stay in 3.5 given the fact I have invested so much into this game and probably won't explore 1/1000th of the options and modifications I can make to the game now. Thats not to say I don't appreciate the modifications and options, I do. Very much so in fact. If you can write a better game, have at it and submit rules to a publisher. Otherwise, ya got no reason to whine.
rudie 08-29-06, 05:01 PM	Well, with the amount of 'stuff' coming out right now I doubt it will be within the next 2 years. Even so, just because there is a new edition doesnt mean you HAVE to play the new edition, there are plenty of old timers who are still quite content with 1st and 2nd ed.
Frozen Yakman 08-29-06, 10:48 PM	When it comes to DnD, TSR only made two edition changes. They went from the OD&D to AD&D to 2nd Ed AD&D. For their other systems, yeah some went through a ton of edition changes and the fans still swamped to them for a while. Eventually the fans got tired of trying to keep up and the game faded. DnD goes through a major overhall very slowly compared to other RPGs. That doesn't make it any better, but it does show that the designers are reluctant to simply pump out new editions. For some examples HERO is in its Revised 5th edition, GURPS is in its 4th, Shadowrun is in its 4th as well, Marvel has had at least 3 supers games, Mutants and Masterminds is already in its second. So yeah, as the oldest RPG system family out there having only 5 editions is pretty good.
Horatio Hornblower 08-29-06, 11:02 PM	My 2 cents that the 4.0 is in fact a 3.6 ! :cheer: 4.0 is already here! We call it 3.5! :w00t:
Jay2577 08-30-06, 08:47 AM	Just a question here, even if they brought out a 4th edition, coulf you not continue playing 3.5, 3rd, etc....? Just because they bring it out, does not mean you need to play it. J
babysamurai 08-30-06, 08:55 AM	I keep telling you people – they already have 7th edition in Japan. …of course it’s smaller, faster and cheaper.
Xyxox 08-30-06, 10:48 AM	It'll happen some time late 2007 to mid 2010. You can tell by the glut of material on the market. It's just a matter of time.
babysamurai 08-30-06, 10:53 AM	It'll happen some time late 2007 to mid 2010. ...Oh, yeah, of course... If we go by previous editions - I think 2011 at the earliest.
Xyxox 08-30-06, 11:06 AM	...Oh, yeah, of course... If we go by previous editions - I think 2011 at the earliest. You can't go by previous editions. You have to go with the market. Currently, there is a glut of material on the market. something needs to be done to shake things up and allow a new market cycle of new material. I'd even go so far as to suggest you watch the Winter Fantasy conventions over the next three years. My guess is, based upon everything WoTC has been doing, that Winter Fantasy will be where they will announce the upcoming new edition one year out. It's already too late for a Gen Con announcement, and WoTC has been de-emphasizing Gen Con of late. This means anything happening in late 2007 is extremely unlikely. If we are to see a 4E in 2008, most likely you'll hear an announcement at Winter Fantasy 2007. I'd say the odds of that are fairly small because there would be a lot of hints of something big coming at Winter Fantasy 2007. A Gen Con 2007 announcement would put the release in late 2008. That would be what I would consider optimal based upon current market saturation levels, but is not as likely as a Winter Fantasy announcement, IMO. Taking those things into consideration, Winter Fantasy 2008 may be the most likely announcement time. That would put a release in early 2009, A 2011 release is way out of line with the current market glut. something needs to be done in order to refresh sales.
babysamurai 08-30-06, 11:18 AM	A 2011 release is way out of line with the current market glut. something needs to be done in order to refresh sales. Are the sales that bad, ala TSR?
Xyxox 08-30-06, 11:22 AM	Are the sales that bad, ala TSR? RPG sales overall throughout the market are down. That said, a publically traded corporation demands more than just good sales and profits. Growth and meeting set goals are what matters. In order to provide sales growth in the D&D line, a shake up will become necessary
babysamurai 08-30-06, 11:35 AM	In order to provide sales growth in the D&D line, a shake up will become necessary “Shake yo money maker!”
GreyLord 09-01-06, 10:49 PM	RPG sales overall throughout the market are down. That said, a publically traded corporation demands more than just good sales and profits. Growth and meeting set goals are what matters. In order to provide sales growth in the D&D line, a shake up will become necessary That checks with everything I've been seeing for two years now (despite what some "Wizards" officials have been saying) and brought up occasionally on the forums...not that anyone wants to really hear or believe anything like that.