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Konzik 07-29-04, 04:56 AM	OK, first of all sorry, this surely was clarfied before, but this forum is huge and when I used search option I got like 2000- 35000 (!) threads. I want to ask whether items that increase your casting atribute ( Wisdom, Intelligence, Charisma) also increase your spells per day. for example I play a Cleric ( WIS 16 = +3 ) and I find an item that grants +2 WIS. Does that mean that aside from getting the difficulty to save gainst my spells increased I also get an additional spell per day from 4th level ( as now I have 18 WIS and +4 modifier) Regardles of the answer, if it's possible, please tell me where can I find this rule. My DM insists that he has read somewhere that such items do not modify your spells per day , but he can't tell me where was it written. I think he's wrong, but I may be mistaken
Bob Gein 07-29-04, 05:27 AM	I think it adds to bonus spells. The Headband of Intellect says you don't gain extra skill points by wearing this item. I assume you gain all other benefits of wearing an Int Wis or Cha item because it doesn't say otherwise.
Bait the Bard 07-29-04, 06:43 AM	It adds to bonus spells. Unless it says otherwise, it should also affect things like spot checks, etc.
Khoomaniac 07-29-04, 07:28 AM	It depends on the nature of the stat change. Temporary changes from spells or removable magical items do not change spells. Level related stat changes do change spells.
Konzik 07-29-04, 07:42 AM	Ok so now we have two possibilities 1. It adds or 2. It does not add Khoomaniac, if you say that, please tell me which book/page it's written that magical items like Cloak of Charisma don't change the number of spells per day. (I know that spells like Owl's Wisdom don't change spells per day).
Bait the Bard 07-29-04, 08:02 AM	I'm sure an item that remains on for more than 24 hours will provide bonus spells, though I haven't read that section lately. Same for all magicl bonus effects.
wizard_thoarin 07-29-04, 08:59 AM	Of course, you forget the one blanket rule that does cover this. The DM is always right. Especially since in his world it may not confer the bonus. If you want a by the book Rules Lawyer type answer, I'd do a search in the Sage Advice areas of the website. I'm sure this has come up in a Sage Advice Column sometime in the past. Regards, Wizard Thoarin
MrkGrismer 07-29-04, 09:12 AM	It was in Sage Advice, as long as the item is worn when resting&preparing spells you recevie the bonus spells as long as the stat remains there (if the 'ring' is removed, they are lost). Note that there are a few items that specifically say you do not get bonus spells from their use. Also note that some things (ie: spell casting prodigy as revised in PGtF) specifically mention no bonus to the DC from the stat boost. Also also note... aaah nothing more, but I just want to put that. :D
Khoomaniac 07-29-04, 08:53 PM	In the 3.5 Players handbook, look at page 10 under the Changing ability scores section. The last bulleted point makes a point about spells and increasing ability scores.
MrkGrismer 07-29-04, 11:07 PM	?? As a character ages, some ability scores go up and others go down. See Table 6-5: Aging Effects (page 109). ?? Howso? ??
Khoomaniac 07-29-04, 11:14 PM	Sorry. Next paragraph. My mistake. Same page & section, just the next paragrapgh.