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A Suggestion to WotC! [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Visceris
07-23-05, 07:41 PM A few years ago TSR did something really cool. They put the first 250 issues of Dragon Magazine in PDF format and created a search database for it. I think that would be pretty cool if WotC did the same thing with Dungeon and Dragon magazines since issue 250. It would seriously kickarse. :D
Templetroll
07-23-05, 08:34 PM That's been suggested before. The problem has to do with rights to the material in a different medium, aFAIK.
Visceris
07-23-05, 09:44 PM Well, tell them to figure it out and do a release. A little expansion for the Archive would be nice. <SNIP>
Edymnion
07-23-05, 10:03 PM WotC has no control over the issues of Dragon.
Dragon is made by Piazo Publishing, thats where you should be sending your request.

Although, they've already heard about making another Dragon CD.
From time to time a represenative comes onto the D&D General board and asks what we'd like to see done with Dragon. Every single thread they have made has had somebody saying they want the CD.

But, bottom line, they make more money by charging people full cover price plus back issue charges than they would ever make with the CD, so thats not gonna happen.
Ranger REG
07-23-05, 11:07 PM Well, tell them to figure it out and do a release.
Heh. They did that. They found it to be frustrating as heck. The only change they can make is revising the reprint right clause in future contract with submitted material's authors.
Visceris
07-23-05, 11:45 PM Well, I am sure they are getting full price for new issues but let say back issues of 251 to 300 or to 350 on a CD in PDF format with a searchable database would be worth at least $30 to $50 to a gamer. Its not like we are asking for a new CD every month for the latest issue.
Edymnion
07-24-05, 12:04 AM Yup, but they still don't do it.
And really, I can see their reason. To make a CD, they have to transfer all of that data over, pay somebody to produce the CDs, market the CDs, and all of that.

Yet they have warehouses full of unsold back issues no matter what they do, and people can and do pay full cover price plus a backissue fee for them. A CD would essentially make back issue sales drop, meaning they can't unload their back issues.

Bottom line is that they make more money by not issuing such a CD than they would by doing so. Trust me, if they thought they could make money on it, they would. Its not like they don't know we want it, they've known that for years. But obviously, they think it will not be worth it when the bottom line rolls around.

Just something you have to accept. Big companies don't give a damn who you are, or what you think, unless it affects their profits. If they have to choose between "eh" people and good sales, and extactic super happy people and lousy sales, they would rather everybody be mediocre and their pockets full.
Rohano
07-24-05, 01:07 AM Argh! I'd kill for a CD with all the Dragon 3rd edition material!
Or the same from any other gaming magazine!

Drat fink I wish this publisher was more enterprising...
Visceris
07-24-05, 01:43 AM I don't think that Scott Bakula works at WotC.
Escef
07-24-05, 05:16 AM WotC has no control over the issues of Dragon.
Dragon is made by Piazo Publishing, thats where you should be sending your request.

Not sure if that's true or not. WotC has licensed it to Paizo, and a surprising amount of what gets printed in Dragon makes it into official supplements. So they have a very chummy relationship, but I don't think any of us is privy to the legal paperwork stating how much, if any, involvement in Dragon WotC actually has.

And the Dragon Magazine Archive caused a lot of legal problems for TSR. It seems they paid writers for the reprint of their articles, but did no such thing for the artists. This caused many artists to (rightfully) get their butts in a knot and sue TSR.
Zherog
07-24-05, 10:32 AM Not sure if that's true or not. WotC has licensed it to Paizo, and a surprising amount of what gets printed in Dragon makes it into official supplements.

I'm looking at a contract right now that I received Friday for an article in 335. Here's some of the text:

This agreement, effective as of the date set forth on the attached Summary of Key Business Terms ("Key Terms") incorporated by this reference, is entered into by and between Paizo Publishing, LLC ("Paizo"), with principle office at 3245 146th Place SE, Suite 110, Bellevue, WA 98007, and Author as defined on the attached Key Terms. Persuant to the terms of this agreement, Author wishes to produce certain works for Paizo's use, and license or assign ownership to such works to Wizards of the Coast, Inc. ("Wizards").

...

4.1 Work For Hire. The parties agree that the Work shall be considered to be a "work made for hire" as that term is defined in the federal copyright statues of the United States of America. Wizards shall be the copyright owner of the work, and under the terms of this agreement, Wizards and/or Paizo shall acquire exclusive rights to use or license the use of the Works in any and all media now know [sic] or hereafter created.

...

4.2 Assignment/Waiver of Moral Rights. Author hereby irrevocably transfers and assigns to Wizards and and all "moral rights" that Author may have in the Work. Author hereby forever waives and agrees never to assert any and all "moral rights" it may have in the Work.

This contract is no different that any other I've had from Paizo. So, since issue 330 (my first) the contract very clearly assigns the rights to the article to WotC. A friend of mine had an article in 299, and her stuff actually ended up appearing in Book of Exalted Deeds. So I have to believe similar language existed then, too.

Basically, it means I've given WotC and Paizo complete ownership of the article I wrote. They can do whatever they damn well please with it after it has been published once with my name on it. My guess is that contract took on this sort of terminology after they had all the problems creating the original CD release.

***

Now, all that said - Edy is most likely correct that they won't produce a CD until back issues are sold. I know for a fact that they will not produce a PDF version of the magazine for sale until all back issues are sold, and this seems fairly similar. They are, though, releasing a hardback later on this year that compiles a lot of the "best of" Dragon - including some older stuff being brought up to 3.5.
Visceris
07-24-05, 12:18 PM Well, that is good. My main thing is that I don't have a lot of space in my small apartment and it is already full of gaming books. I don't have room to buy magazines that is why I like to get things on PDF. A hard drive is far more space friendly, you know.

Hell, I rather have PDF files of the main books themselves. It would be nice to have them on disc instead of buying the hardcover books.
Escef
07-24-05, 12:27 PM Hell, I rather have PDF files of the main books themselves. It would be nice to have them on disc instead of buying the hardcover books.

Not sure on this, but I think you are legally allowed to scan the books and store the content on your computer. So long as you don't distribute copies. Mind you, that's a whole lot of scanning.
Ranger REG
07-24-05, 09:51 PM Not sure if that's true or not. WotC has licensed it to Paizo, and a surprising amount of what gets printed in Dragon makes it into official supplements. So they have a very chummy relationship, but I don't think any of us is privy to the legal paperwork stating how much, if any, involvement in Dragon WotC actually has.
Of course, they have a chummy relationship. Paizo bought the damn WotC Periodical Department (staff and all). Pardon the language. :smirk:

But both initally and currently, many gamers are still skeptical of Paizo's official licensed D&D Magazine status.

And the Dragon Magazine Archive caused a lot of legal problems for TSR. It seems they paid writers for the reprint of their articles, but did no such thing for the artists. This caused many artists to (rightfully) get their butts in a knot and sue TSR.
Yeah, they wanted to keep the old issues "as is." I don't know if sales would have been better or worse if fans bought such an archive that does not have their original illustrations, artworks, and layouts.
James Jacobs
07-25-05, 01:09 AM But both initally and currently, many gamers are still skeptical of Paizo's official licensed D&D Magazine status.

Well... every issue of Dragon and Dungeon is read and approved by Wizards of the Coast before it ships to the printer; we have monthly meetings for each magazine in which two of us editors bring over the completed issue for R&D, Brand, and everyone else involved to look over and review. They sign off on the approval forms, we go back to Paizo and pull the big "PRINT" lever and the magazine's off to press. Wizards owns all the editorial and art content of the magazines.

I don't know how much more "official" a D&D product can get, really.

As for releasing magazines as PDFs or on CD... currently, we can't do so with an issue until it's out of print. Once we're out of print, we can produce them as PDFs (and have done so; several are available online at our website and more are being added as new issues sell out and we have the time to PDF them). The matter of rights to reprint is a little hazy the further back you go, since a lot of the older contracts were drafted and written and signed before the internet rose to prominence.

Wow, it sure is easy to blame the internet!
Edymnion
07-25-05, 02:31 AM Not sure if that's true or not.Yeah, that didn't come out quite like I ment. I ment that I don't think WotC can force Piazo to publish a CD if Piazo doesn't want to do it. They could negotiate for one, but its essentially like complaining to the TV station that your favorite show got canceled. They're not really the ones responsible for the decision.I don't know how much more "official" a D&D product can get, really.When it gets printed in an actual book that doesn't sit on the shelf for a week or two then dissappear forever into the vast nothingness that is backissue ordering.

Dragon had an issue with stats for the Chocobo.
Do I consider the Chocobo to be official D&D material? Heck no.
Now, if the riding bird got written up in an actual book that got put out? Yeah, then I'd consider the riding bird to offically be part of D&D.

Until then, I consider Dungeon and Dragon Magazines to be on the same level of "official" as the customer service email responces. Useful from time to time, but everything they say is to be taken with a big grain of salt.
Azual
07-25-05, 08:58 AM i belive in this day in age, Edyminion, that most magazine layouts are done digitally, and that as a result they would be very easy to convert to a format suiable for someone looking for a disk. I mean, you wouldhave to pay ink, paper, or printing, it would be purely digital, with the post being something you can download off the internet to even a simple CD that can be put into your computer.

I think it would be cool.

:)
Dave Stebbins
07-25-05, 01:38 PM Even if they sort out the rights issue, the fact remains that the Dragon Archive CD Set did not sell well at all, so the idea was dropped. Several years after it's release it was still available on many store shelves and in discount bins. I don't think the Archive idea will come out for either magazine.

However, Paizo has announced plans to produce a Dragon Compendium, which will reprint a bunch of classic Dragon articles updated to be compatable with D&D 3.5.

http://paizo.com/paizo/news/dragon/v5748eaic9jww
Seeker95
07-25-05, 03:36 PM Paizo has announced plans to produce a Dragon Compendium, which will reprint a bunch of classic Dragon articles updated to be compatable with D&D 3.5.Just a minor clarification. It is a re-write rather than a re-print to make the articles updated. That's on way Paizo is able to avoid the majority of the copyright issues.

I love the Archive set that I bought. I don't use the search feature it came with. Instead, I use the much-better search feature that comes with the most recent Acrobat software. Very fun!
Vallah
07-25-05, 10:26 PM Does anyone happen to know where I might find a copy of "the deck of many things" cards that dragon printed a few years back?
Amaril
07-26-05, 09:44 AM Does anyone happen to know where I might find a copy of "the deck of many things" cards that dragon printed a few years back?
http://www.wizards.com/electronic/patches/Drmg148A.pdf

linked from:
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/ex20020218a
Ranger REG
07-26-05, 11:06 PM Well... every issue of Dragon and Dungeon is read and approved by Wizards of the Coast before it ships to the printer; we have monthly meetings for each magazine in which two of us editors bring over the completed issue for R&D, Brand, and everyone else involved to look over and review. They sign off on the approval forms, we go back to Paizo and pull the big "PRINT" lever and the magazine's off to press. Wizards owns all the editorial and art content of the magazines.

I don't know how much more "official" a D&D product can get, really.

As for releasing magazines as PDFs or on CD... currently, we can't do so with an issue until it's out of print. Once we're out of print, we can produce them as PDFs (and have done so; several are available online at our website and more are being added as new issues sell out and we have the time to PDF them). The matter of rights to reprint is a little hazy the further back you go, since a lot of the older contracts were drafted and written and signed before the internet rose to prominence.

Wow, it sure is easy to blame the internet!
I have no problem with your licensing status with WotC. I'm just telling you there are others that are doubtful. It's not going to go away that easily.

Now aside from the hardcover adventure supplement (the first of the Adventure Path series), will there be a Dungeon archive software in the future?
urial angel of death
07-27-05, 10:28 AM where is the first 250 issues could you link to them? what edition are they? finally are they free?
Escef
07-27-05, 10:54 AM where is the first 250 issues could you link to them? what edition are they? finally are they free?

You... Haven't been keeping up, have you? They are available on CD-ROM. I do not think most places still have it in stock. Check eBay or some other online auction or retail site. Given the age of the material, all of it is pre-3e.
Seeker95
07-27-05, 11:49 AM where is the first 250 issues could you link to them? what edition are they? finally are they free?Read the thread.
Amaril
07-27-05, 12:01 PM Read the thread.
Hmmm... If you actually read the thread (one post above yours) you would have seen that someone already responded. ;)
urial angel of death
07-27-05, 03:27 PM sorry what I ment was is there some where online to get it, and as for the edition part I was wondering if the it was specificaly 1st or 2nd edition but it appears that question is answered
Ranger REG
07-28-05, 07:44 PM and as for the edition part I was wondering if the it was specificaly 1st or 2nd edition but it appears that question is answered
Hehehe. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there is no 3e supported material in the first 250 issues of Dragon.

IIRC, #324 is the first issue to support 3e, though there were preceding issues that have previews of 3e.
Zherog
07-28-05, 11:49 PM Your issue number is way off, REG. I have a copy of 299 (a friend had an article in it), and that was completely 3e. 324 isn't even the first 3.5 issue. Heck - 324 only came out 10 issues ago, since 334 is the next one out.

Going with 333 being the July 05 issue, the first 3.5 issue would have been around 309 or so. That would place the first 3.0 issue roughly at issue number 273 or so.

333 -24 (2 years) = 309. 309 - 36 (3 years) = 273.
Escef
07-29-05, 08:09 AM Issue #300 was the "Vile" issue, focusing on BoVD style content, well into 3e's run. A quick look at my collection places the 1st 3e issue at #274 (good guess, Zherog). It was easy to tell as they changed the visual format of the magazine for 3e, a quick glance at the spines on the bookshelf was all it took.
Zherog
07-29-05, 09:59 AM :cool:
Ranger REG
07-31-05, 05:10 AM Your issue number is way off, REG.
My bad. It's #274.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Visceris 07-23-05, 07:41 PM	A few years ago TSR did something really cool. They put the first 250 issues of Dragon Magazine in PDF format and created a search database for it. I think that would be pretty cool if WotC did the same thing with Dungeon and Dragon magazines since issue 250. It would seriously kickarse. :D
Templetroll 07-23-05, 08:34 PM	That's been suggested before. The problem has to do with rights to the material in a different medium, aFAIK.
Visceris 07-23-05, 09:44 PM	Well, tell them to figure it out and do a release. A little expansion for the Archive would be nice. <SNIP>
Edymnion 07-23-05, 10:03 PM	WotC has no control over the issues of Dragon. Dragon is made by Piazo Publishing, thats where you should be sending your request. Although, they've already heard about making another Dragon CD. From time to time a represenative comes onto the D&D General board and asks what we'd like to see done with Dragon. Every single thread they have made has had somebody saying they want the CD. But, bottom line, they make more money by charging people full cover price plus back issue charges than they would ever make with the CD, so thats not gonna happen.
Ranger REG 07-23-05, 11:07 PM	Well, tell them to figure it out and do a release. Heh. They did that. They found it to be frustrating as heck. The only change they can make is revising the reprint right clause in future contract with submitted material's authors.
Visceris 07-23-05, 11:45 PM	Well, I am sure they are getting full price for new issues but let say back issues of 251 to 300 or to 350 on a CD in PDF format with a searchable database would be worth at least $30 to $50 to a gamer. Its not like we are asking for a new CD every month for the latest issue.
Edymnion 07-24-05, 12:04 AM	Yup, but they still don't do it. And really, I can see their reason. To make a CD, they have to transfer all of that data over, pay somebody to produce the CDs, market the CDs, and all of that. Yet they have warehouses full of unsold back issues no matter what they do, and people can and do pay full cover price plus a backissue fee for them. A CD would essentially make back issue sales drop, meaning they can't unload their back issues. Bottom line is that they make more money by not issuing such a CD than they would by doing so. Trust me, if they thought they could make money on it, they would. Its not like they don't know we want it, they've known that for years. But obviously, they think it will not be worth it when the bottom line rolls around. Just something you have to accept. Big companies don't give a damn who you are, or what you think, unless it affects their profits. If they have to choose between "eh" people and good sales, and extactic super happy people and lousy sales, they would rather everybody be mediocre and their pockets full.
Rohano 07-24-05, 01:07 AM	Argh! I'd kill for a CD with all the Dragon 3rd edition material! Or the same from any other gaming magazine! Drat fink I wish this publisher was more enterprising...
Visceris 07-24-05, 01:43 AM	I don't think that Scott Bakula works at WotC.
Escef 07-24-05, 05:16 AM	WotC has no control over the issues of Dragon. Dragon is made by Piazo Publishing, thats where you should be sending your request. Not sure if that's true or not. WotC has licensed it to Paizo, and a surprising amount of what gets printed in Dragon makes it into official supplements. So they have a very chummy relationship, but I don't think any of us is privy to the legal paperwork stating how much, if any, involvement in Dragon WotC actually has. And the Dragon Magazine Archive caused a lot of legal problems for TSR. It seems they paid writers for the reprint of their articles, but did no such thing for the artists. This caused many artists to (rightfully) get their butts in a knot and sue TSR.
Zherog 07-24-05, 10:32 AM	Not sure if that's true or not. WotC has licensed it to Paizo, and a surprising amount of what gets printed in Dragon makes it into official supplements. I'm looking at a contract right now that I received Friday for an article in 335. Here's some of the text: This agreement, effective as of the date set forth on the attached Summary of Key Business Terms ("Key Terms") incorporated by this reference, is entered into by and between Paizo Publishing, LLC ("Paizo"), with principle office at 3245 146th Place SE, Suite 110, Bellevue, WA 98007, and Author as defined on the attached Key Terms. Persuant to the terms of this agreement, Author wishes to produce certain works for Paizo's use, and license or assign ownership to such works to Wizards of the Coast, Inc. ("Wizards"). ... 4.1 Work For Hire. The parties agree that the Work shall be considered to be a "work made for hire" as that term is defined in the federal copyright statues of the United States of America. Wizards shall be the copyright owner of the work, and under the terms of this agreement, Wizards and/or Paizo shall acquire exclusive rights to use or license the use of the Works in any and all media now know [sic] or hereafter created. ... 4.2 Assignment/Waiver of Moral Rights. Author hereby irrevocably transfers and assigns to Wizards and and all "moral rights" that Author may have in the Work. Author hereby forever waives and agrees never to assert any and all "moral rights" it may have in the Work. This contract is no different that any other I've had from Paizo. So, since issue 330 (my first) the contract very clearly assigns the rights to the article to WotC. A friend of mine had an article in 299, and her stuff actually ended up appearing in Book of Exalted Deeds. So I have to believe similar language existed then, too. Basically, it means I've given WotC and Paizo complete ownership of the article I wrote. They can do whatever they damn well please with it after it has been published once with my name on it. My guess is that contract took on this sort of terminology after they had all the problems creating the original CD release. *** Now, all that said - Edy is most likely correct that they won't produce a CD until back issues are sold. I know for a fact that they will not produce a PDF version of the magazine for sale until all back issues are sold, and this seems fairly similar. They are, though, releasing a hardback later on this year that compiles a lot of the "best of" Dragon - including some older stuff being brought up to 3.5.
Visceris 07-24-05, 12:18 PM	Well, that is good. My main thing is that I don't have a lot of space in my small apartment and it is already full of gaming books. I don't have room to buy magazines that is why I like to get things on PDF. A hard drive is far more space friendly, you know. Hell, I rather have PDF files of the main books themselves. It would be nice to have them on disc instead of buying the hardcover books.
Escef 07-24-05, 12:27 PM	Hell, I rather have PDF files of the main books themselves. It would be nice to have them on disc instead of buying the hardcover books. Not sure on this, but I think you are legally allowed to scan the books and store the content on your computer. So long as you don't distribute copies. Mind you, that's a whole lot of scanning.
Ranger REG 07-24-05, 09:51 PM	Not sure if that's true or not. WotC has licensed it to Paizo, and a surprising amount of what gets printed in Dragon makes it into official supplements. So they have a very chummy relationship, but I don't think any of us is privy to the legal paperwork stating how much, if any, involvement in Dragon WotC actually has. Of course, they have a chummy relationship. Paizo bought the damn WotC Periodical Department (staff and all). Pardon the language. :smirk: But both initally and currently, many gamers are still skeptical of Paizo's official licensed D&D Magazine status. And the Dragon Magazine Archive caused a lot of legal problems for TSR. It seems they paid writers for the reprint of their articles, but did no such thing for the artists. This caused many artists to (rightfully) get their butts in a knot and sue TSR. Yeah, they wanted to keep the old issues "as is." I don't know if sales would have been better or worse if fans bought such an archive that does not have their original illustrations, artworks, and layouts.
James Jacobs 07-25-05, 01:09 AM	But both initally and currently, many gamers are still skeptical of Paizo's official licensed D&D Magazine status. Well... every issue of Dragon and Dungeon is read and approved by Wizards of the Coast before it ships to the printer; we have monthly meetings for each magazine in which two of us editors bring over the completed issue for R&D, Brand, and everyone else involved to look over and review. They sign off on the approval forms, we go back to Paizo and pull the big "PRINT" lever and the magazine's off to press. Wizards owns all the editorial and art content of the magazines. I don't know how much more "official" a D&D product can get, really. As for releasing magazines as PDFs or on CD... currently, we can't do so with an issue until it's out of print. Once we're out of print, we can produce them as PDFs (and have done so; several are available online at our website and more are being added as new issues sell out and we have the time to PDF them). The matter of rights to reprint is a little hazy the further back you go, since a lot of the older contracts were drafted and written and signed before the internet rose to prominence. Wow, it sure is easy to blame the internet!
Edymnion 07-25-05, 02:31 AM	Not sure if that's true or not.Yeah, that didn't come out quite like I ment. I ment that I don't think WotC can force Piazo to publish a CD if Piazo doesn't want to do it. They could negotiate for one, but its essentially like complaining to the TV station that your favorite show got canceled. They're not really the ones responsible for the decision.I don't know how much more "official" a D&D product can get, really.When it gets printed in an actual book that doesn't sit on the shelf for a week or two then dissappear forever into the vast nothingness that is backissue ordering. Dragon had an issue with stats for the Chocobo. Do I consider the Chocobo to be official D&D material? Heck no. Now, if the riding bird got written up in an actual book that got put out? Yeah, then I'd consider the riding bird to offically be part of D&D. Until then, I consider Dungeon and Dragon Magazines to be on the same level of "official" as the customer service email responces. Useful from time to time, but everything they say is to be taken with a big grain of salt.
Azual 07-25-05, 08:58 AM	i belive in this day in age, Edyminion, that most magazine layouts are done digitally, and that as a result they would be very easy to convert to a format suiable for someone looking for a disk. I mean, you wouldhave to pay ink, paper, or printing, it would be purely digital, with the post being something you can download off the internet to even a simple CD that can be put into your computer. I think it would be cool. :)
Dave Stebbins 07-25-05, 01:38 PM	Even if they sort out the rights issue, the fact remains that the Dragon Archive CD Set did not sell well at all, so the idea was dropped. Several years after it's release it was still available on many store shelves and in discount bins. I don't think the Archive idea will come out for either magazine. However, Paizo has announced plans to produce a Dragon Compendium, which will reprint a bunch of classic Dragon articles updated to be compatable with D&D 3.5. http://paizo.com/paizo/news/dragon/v5748eaic9jww
Seeker95 07-25-05, 03:36 PM	Paizo has announced plans to produce a Dragon Compendium, which will reprint a bunch of classic Dragon articles updated to be compatable with D&D 3.5.Just a minor clarification. It is a re-write rather than a re-print to make the articles updated. That's on way Paizo is able to avoid the majority of the copyright issues. I love the Archive set that I bought. I don't use the search feature it came with. Instead, I use the much-better search feature that comes with the most recent Acrobat software. Very fun!
Vallah 07-25-05, 10:26 PM	Does anyone happen to know where I might find a copy of "the deck of many things" cards that dragon printed a few years back?
Amaril 07-26-05, 09:44 AM	Does anyone happen to know where I might find a copy of "the deck of many things" cards that dragon printed a few years back? http://www.wizards.com/electronic/patches/Drmg148A.pdf linked from: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/ex20020218a
Ranger REG 07-26-05, 11:06 PM	Well... every issue of Dragon and Dungeon is read and approved by Wizards of the Coast before it ships to the printer; we have monthly meetings for each magazine in which two of us editors bring over the completed issue for R&D, Brand, and everyone else involved to look over and review. They sign off on the approval forms, we go back to Paizo and pull the big "PRINT" lever and the magazine's off to press. Wizards owns all the editorial and art content of the magazines. I don't know how much more "official" a D&D product can get, really. As for releasing magazines as PDFs or on CD... currently, we can't do so with an issue until it's out of print. Once we're out of print, we can produce them as PDFs (and have done so; several are available online at our website and more are being added as new issues sell out and we have the time to PDF them). The matter of rights to reprint is a little hazy the further back you go, since a lot of the older contracts were drafted and written and signed before the internet rose to prominence. Wow, it sure is easy to blame the internet! I have no problem with your licensing status with WotC. I'm just telling you there are others that are doubtful. It's not going to go away that easily. Now aside from the hardcover adventure supplement (the first of the Adventure Path series), will there be a Dungeon archive software in the future?
urial angel of death 07-27-05, 10:28 AM	where is the first 250 issues could you link to them? what edition are they? finally are they free?
Escef 07-27-05, 10:54 AM	where is the first 250 issues could you link to them? what edition are they? finally are they free? You... Haven't been keeping up, have you? They are available on CD-ROM. I do not think most places still have it in stock. Check eBay or some other online auction or retail site. Given the age of the material, all of it is pre-3e.
Seeker95 07-27-05, 11:49 AM	where is the first 250 issues could you link to them? what edition are they? finally are they free?Read the thread.
Amaril 07-27-05, 12:01 PM	Read the thread. Hmmm... If you actually read the thread (one post above yours) you would have seen that someone already responded. ;)
urial angel of death 07-27-05, 03:27 PM	sorry what I ment was is there some where online to get it, and as for the edition part I was wondering if the it was specificaly 1st or 2nd edition but it appears that question is answered
Ranger REG 07-28-05, 07:44 PM	and as for the edition part I was wondering if the it was specificaly 1st or 2nd edition but it appears that question is answered Hehehe. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there is no 3e supported material in the first 250 issues of Dragon. IIRC, #324 is the first issue to support 3e, though there were preceding issues that have previews of 3e.
Zherog 07-28-05, 11:49 PM	Your issue number is way off, REG. I have a copy of 299 (a friend had an article in it), and that was completely 3e. 324 isn't even the first 3.5 issue. Heck - 324 only came out 10 issues ago, since 334 is the next one out. Going with 333 being the July 05 issue, the first 3.5 issue would have been around 309 or so. That would place the first 3.0 issue roughly at issue number 273 or so. 333 -24 (2 years) = 309. 309 - 36 (3 years) = 273.
Escef 07-29-05, 08:09 AM	Issue #300 was the "Vile" issue, focusing on BoVD style content, well into 3e's run. A quick look at my collection places the 1st 3e issue at #274 (good guess, Zherog). It was easy to tell as they changed the visual format of the magazine for 3e, a quick glance at the spines on the bookshelf was all it took.
Zherog 07-29-05, 09:59 AM	:cool:
Ranger REG 07-31-05, 05:10 AM	Your issue number is way off, REG. My bad. It's #274.