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About Array's [Archive] - Wizards Community

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FoxmanFX
12-19-06, 12:34 PM Below is a list of Array's. The first two are the standard array's presented in the 3.5 books. The next two are my extrapulation from them.

Line 1 - Abilitiy Stat
Line 2 - Ability Mod
Line 3 - Point Buy Cost

Str Dex Con Int Wis Cha Nonelite Array
13 12 11 10 9 8
+1 +1 0 0 -1 -1 0 Mod
5 4 3 2 1 0 15 Cost

Str Dex Con Int Wis Cha Elite Array
15 14 13 12 10 8
+2 +2 +1 +1 0 -1 +5 Mod
8 6 5 4 2 0 25 Cost

Str Dex Con Int Wis Cha Heroic Array
17 16 15 14 12 10
+3 +3 +2 +2 +1 0 +11 Mod
13 10 8 6 4 2 43 Cost

Str Dex Con Int Wis Cha Epic Array
18 17 16 15 14 13
+4 +3 +3 +2 +2 +1 +15 Mod
16 13 10 8 6 5 58 Cost

Ok - the two default arrays' use a different mechanic. One uses a 5,4,3,2,1,0 and the other uses a 7,6,5,4,2,0 mechanic. That becomes more difficult to translate at higher levels.

I like the idea of the total ability mod (line 2) being +0,+5,+10,+15 for the different level of Arrays, but I'm having a hard time finding a way to break it out so it makes a +10 not an +11 and still follows a 5,4,3,2,1,0 or a 7,6,5,4,2,0 mechanic...

Str Dex Con Int Wis Cha Heroic Array 2
16 15 14 13 12 11
+3 +2 +2 +1 +1 0 +9 Mod
10 8 6 5 4 3 36 Cost

'Heroic Array 2' is a +9, less powerful than 'Heroic Array'.

However 'Heroic Array' looks (to me at least) too close to 'Epic Array' and 'Heroic Array 2' looks too close to the 'Elite Array'.

Should the Heroic/Elite Array be merged?

Is there a better layout for a Heroic and Elite Array's?
Mitchell
12-20-06, 02:37 AM Your heroic array #1 sits closer to the middle of the epic and elite array (18 more pts than elite, 15 less than epic) so I would go with that one.
Heroic array #2 is much closer to the elite array (11 pts) than it is to the epic array (22 pts).
If I were to make it a +10, I would just drop the 14 to a 13 or 12 to an 11 (in array #1) and go with that. Puts the point cost closer to the middle (17 higher than elite, 16 less than epic) and gives you a +10.
Nom
12-20-06, 05:25 AM 16-15-14-13-12-10 would follow the pattern of the elite array, and is 35 points (+10) with the same +9 benefit.

18-16-14-13-12-10 is a further +8 points (43). 18-16-14-14-13-10 keeps a +10 progression (45).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
FoxmanFX 12-19-06, 12:34 PM	Below is a list of Array's. The first two are the standard array's presented in the 3.5 books. The next two are my extrapulation from them. Line 1 - Abilitiy Stat Line 2 - Ability Mod Line 3 - Point Buy Cost Str Dex Con Int Wis Cha Nonelite Array 13 12 11 10 9 8 +1 +1 0 0 -1 -1 0 Mod 5 4 3 2 1 0 15 Cost Str Dex Con Int Wis Cha Elite Array 15 14 13 12 10 8 +2 +2 +1 +1 0 -1 +5 Mod 8 6 5 4 2 0 25 Cost Str Dex Con Int Wis Cha Heroic Array 17 16 15 14 12 10 +3 +3 +2 +2 +1 0 +11 Mod 13 10 8 6 4 2 43 Cost Str Dex Con Int Wis Cha Epic Array 18 17 16 15 14 13 +4 +3 +3 +2 +2 +1 +15 Mod 16 13 10 8 6 5 58 Cost Ok - the two default arrays' use a different mechanic. One uses a 5,4,3,2,1,0 and the other uses a 7,6,5,4,2,0 mechanic. That becomes more difficult to translate at higher levels. I like the idea of the total ability mod (line 2) being +0,+5,+10,+15 for the different level of Arrays, but I'm having a hard time finding a way to break it out so it makes a +10 not an +11 and still follows a 5,4,3,2,1,0 or a 7,6,5,4,2,0 mechanic... Str Dex Con Int Wis Cha Heroic Array 2 16 15 14 13 12 11 +3 +2 +2 +1 +1 0 +9 Mod 10 8 6 5 4 3 36 Cost 'Heroic Array 2' is a +9, less powerful than 'Heroic Array'. However 'Heroic Array' looks (to me at least) too close to 'Epic Array' and 'Heroic Array 2' looks too close to the 'Elite Array'. Should the Heroic/Elite Array be merged? Is there a better layout for a Heroic and Elite Array's?
Mitchell 12-20-06, 02:37 AM	Your heroic array #1 sits closer to the middle of the epic and elite array (18 more pts than elite, 15 less than epic) so I would go with that one. Heroic array #2 is much closer to the elite array (11 pts) than it is to the epic array (22 pts). If I were to make it a +10, I would just drop the 14 to a 13 or 12 to an 11 (in array #1) and go with that. Puts the point cost closer to the middle (17 higher than elite, 16 less than epic) and gives you a +10.
Nom 12-20-06, 05:25 AM	16-15-14-13-12-10 would follow the pattern of the elite array, and is 35 points (+10) with the same +9 benefit. 18-16-14-13-12-10 is a further +8 points (43). 18-16-14-14-13-10 keeps a +10 progression (45).