Adamantine animated object gets DR? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Adamantine animated object gets DR? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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rks
12-05-06, 08:15 AM Hi all,

I'm preparing for a nasty line up, a lich with a phylactery encapsulated into a tiny adamantine sphere, with a permanent invisibility and dito fly spell, it is also animated (as per the animated object spell) and then awakened (as per spell).

Now: how do I calculate this little entity's hitpoint and DR?

I figured that as a sphere of adamantium it would have DR, but the construct traits says nothing about this. Also, how does the hitpoints/inch and the animated objects hitpoint resolve? Is the two added, or is it just one of the two that is accounted for?

Please help with this nasty item!
Seeker95
12-05-06, 09:28 AM Once you animate it, the object is just that - an animated object. Give it a straight up DR5/- since it is adamantine, but its hit points are those of a tiny animated object. It has 2 hit points (d10/2, if you roll for hp).
Caliborn
12-05-06, 09:47 AM Animated objects keep their DR and they only get the hitpoints listed in their monster entry.
rks
12-05-06, 10:45 AM Thx for answers!
frasmage
12-05-06, 02:44 PM wait, wouldn't it have its normal hardness, rather than DR? :thinks:
AaronDireBear
12-05-06, 02:55 PM Isnt hardness the object equivalent to damage reduction anyhow?
frasmage
12-05-06, 03:05 PM Isnt hardness the object equivalent to damage reduction anyhow?

well adamantine has hardness of 20.... Equipment made of adamantine definitely provides a lower DR than that
SephDragoon
12-05-06, 05:08 PM That is the damage reduction it gives to its wearer, not what it itself has. Because of this, I woudl actually say the phylactary has 20 DR, not 5... because it is the DR of itself, not a creature inside.

Really, this is the time that you should be fudging it as a DM. This is a highly custom NPC thing already, so give it the DR you want it to have.
Tharivol
12-05-06, 05:14 PM Isnt hardness the object equivalent to damage reduction anyhow?

Energy damage ignores DR.
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht
12-05-06, 08:31 PM Animated objects have Hardness, not DR. So that adamantine sphere will not have DR, but will have Hardness 20.
RavingDork
12-06-06, 05:06 PM Raymond's got it right.

Energy attacks bypass damage reduction entirely. Against hardness, however, energy damage is reduced by 1/2 or 1/4 BEFORE you apply the numerical reduction. Hardness applies against EVERYTHING. Damage Reduction only applies to attacks.

They are not alike. Not at all.
lint trap
12-06-06, 05:54 PM Hardness applies against EVERYTHING. Damage Reduction only applies to attacks.

Right on. Also remember that, contrary to popular opinion, hardness applies to sonic damage unless specifically stated otherwise. So Psionic sonic (that's tough to say) will bypass hardness, but without a side-note magical sonic won't.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
rks 12-05-06, 08:15 AM	Hi all, I'm preparing for a nasty line up, a lich with a phylactery encapsulated into a tiny adamantine sphere, with a permanent invisibility and dito fly spell, it is also animated (as per the animated object spell) and then awakened (as per spell). Now: how do I calculate this little entity's hitpoint and DR? I figured that as a sphere of adamantium it would have DR, but the construct traits says nothing about this. Also, how does the hitpoints/inch and the animated objects hitpoint resolve? Is the two added, or is it just one of the two that is accounted for? Please help with this nasty item!
Seeker95 12-05-06, 09:28 AM	Once you animate it, the object is just that - an animated object. Give it a straight up DR5/- since it is adamantine, but its hit points are those of a tiny animated object. It has 2 hit points (d10/2, if you roll for hp).
Caliborn 12-05-06, 09:47 AM	Animated objects keep their DR and they only get the hitpoints listed in their monster entry.
rks 12-05-06, 10:45 AM	Thx for answers!
frasmage 12-05-06, 02:44 PM	wait, wouldn't it have its normal hardness, rather than DR? :thinks:
AaronDireBear 12-05-06, 02:55 PM	Isnt hardness the object equivalent to damage reduction anyhow?
frasmage 12-05-06, 03:05 PM	Isnt hardness the object equivalent to damage reduction anyhow? well adamantine has hardness of 20.... Equipment made of adamantine definitely provides a lower DR than that
SephDragoon 12-05-06, 05:08 PM	That is the damage reduction it gives to its wearer, not what it itself has. Because of this, I woudl actually say the phylactary has 20 DR, not 5... because it is the DR of itself, not a creature inside. Really, this is the time that you should be fudging it as a DM. This is a highly custom NPC thing already, so give it the DR you want it to have.
Tharivol 12-05-06, 05:14 PM	Isnt hardness the object equivalent to damage reduction anyhow? Energy damage ignores DR.
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 12-05-06, 08:31 PM	Animated objects have Hardness, not DR. So that adamantine sphere will not have DR, but will have Hardness 20.
RavingDork 12-06-06, 05:06 PM	Raymond's got it right. Energy attacks bypass damage reduction entirely. Against hardness, however, energy damage is reduced by 1/2 or 1/4 BEFORE you apply the numerical reduction. Hardness applies against EVERYTHING. Damage Reduction only applies to attacks. They are not alike. Not at all.
lint trap 12-06-06, 05:54 PM	Hardness applies against EVERYTHING. Damage Reduction only applies to attacks. Right on. Also remember that, contrary to popular opinion, hardness applies to sonic damage unless specifically stated otherwise. So Psionic sonic (that's tough to say) will bypass hardness, but without a side-note magical sonic won't.