Age of Worms Hardcover [Archive] - Wizards Community

Age of Worms Hardcover [Archive] - Wizards Community

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BigJroni
03-10-07, 02:35 PM On the paizo site there have been many requests for an Age of Worms Hardcover. The main reason that the editors give for the lack of a hardcover is that they have not yet received the go ahead from wizards of the coast.

I realize that the wizards of the coast is printing many adventures at the moment and that therefore the Age of Worms hardcover could be considered competition. However wizards of the coast doesnt seem to be doing adventure pathes at the moment and the hardcovers are just one source versions of the adventure pathes published in Dungeon.

I was wondering if anyone on this site could think of another reason that the Age of Worms hardcover would not be accepted by wizards of the coast, or if it is possible that it could be released at a later date.

For those of you who don't know. The Age of Worms is the second adventure path to appear in the pages of Dungeon magazine, and appeared in issues 124 through 135. It took the charachters involved from level 1 to level 20 over the course of 12 adventures.

Sorry if this has already been posted or if this is the wrong forum.
carmachu
03-10-07, 02:39 PM Why wont it be accepted? It clashes with WotC releasing their own adventures. Pretty stupid, if you ask me, but thats the main reason.
Waldorf
03-10-07, 03:24 PM Give it time. It'll happen.
Mouseferatu
03-10-07, 04:08 PM It clashes with WotC releasing their own adventures. Pretty stupid, if you ask me, but thats the main reason.

That's the main guess. It might make sense, but it's still a guess. WotC hasn't come out and said why they've delayed greenlighting an AoW hardback.

Just for the record.
Treymordin
03-10-07, 06:43 PM All of the super adventure paths that are in Paizo/ Dungeon magazine should be released in big books.
carmachu
03-10-07, 07:17 PM That's the main guess. It might make sense, but it's still a guess. WotC hasn't come out and said why they've delayed greenlighting an AoW hardback.

Just for the record.

Doesnt matter. Its a damn good guess. I've similar things in Games-workshop.

Until WotC decides to say why, thats a good of reason as any.
Mouseferatu
03-11-07, 01:27 AM Doesnt matter. Its a damn good guess. I've similar things in Games-workshop.

Until WotC decides to say why, thats a good of reason as any.

Sure, it's a reasonable guess. I'm not saying it's wrong.

But since it is still a guess, it should be presented as such. Implying that it's a confirmed fact, or anything other than guesswork (no matter how likely it might be) is disingenuous at best.
Lady Morn
03-11-07, 12:57 PM I was wondering if anyone on this site could think of another reason that the Age of Worms hardcover would not be accepted by wizards of the coast, or if it is possible that it could be released at a later date.

As others have said, it boils down to competition. The APs have a track record for quality. The SCAP hardcover alone has considerable production value and visual appeal. In short, most gamers will go for the sure bet of an AP hardcover over the unknown commodity of a WotC new release.

It makes sense from that perspective.

Where I think WotC is being shortsighted is how they overlook their own supplemental value. Why not use an AoW hardcover to push Heroes of Horror or Vile Darkness? Or down the road, use the STAP hardcover to generate sales of Stormwrack? (In fact, many STAP adventures suggest using Stormwrack for added depth (no pun intended)). It begs the question as to why WotC doesn't want to associate itself with the success of one of its partners? :confused:
Caligula
03-11-07, 03:14 PM Perhaps Wizards could co-produce it so it would more in their interest!

I would love to see the Age of Worms in hardbound cover! Also, the 3rd adventure path would be cool.

The first one, The Shackled City, is awesome and I would recommend all D&D guys out there to go to www.paizo.com and buy it!!! :)
carmachu
03-11-07, 03:34 PM Sure, it's a reasonable guess. I'm not saying it's wrong.

But since it is still a guess, it should be presented as such. Implying that it's a confirmed fact, or anything other than guesswork (no matter how likely it might be) is disingenuous at best.

Then give me something else. Because at the moment, thats really all there is.

I mean if you were to say WotC doesnt want to do one becuase they worry it might effect DUNGEON mag sales, I could see it, but nowhere have I seen any real arguement about why not...all signs point there.
TheCarrionCrawler
03-12-07, 02:57 PM Then give me something else. Because at the moment, thats really all there is.

I mean if you were to say WotC doesnt want to do one becuase they worry it might effect DUNGEON mag sales, I could see it, but nowhere have I seen any real arguement about why not...all signs point there.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Easy tex! That's a lot of anger you're throwing out. Ari's a good guy, don't put knots in his knickers. If you really can't wait for a hardcover, go to a lgs and buy the back issues, they're usually not that expensive. Hell, rip out the pages, hole punch, put them into a binder.
mearrin69
03-12-07, 03:51 PM I'd be willing to bet that Paizo is still selling lots of back issues containing AoW to all of those that didn't get it (or get the full thing). If I was them that'd be enough reason for me to delay publishing the hard cover - but I'd probably blame WoTC just to take the heat off of me from my customers. ;)

Just an alternate scenario. :)
M
Flame_Drake
03-12-07, 04:50 PM Just curious, but how long did it take for Shackled City to be made into a hardcover book?

Drake
BigJroni
03-12-07, 09:01 PM To awnser Flame_Drake's question, the Shackled City hardcover was published at about the same time as the Age of Worms adventure path was started. However some things need to be taken into account:

The Shackled City AP was not produced in consecutive magazines but was spread out over a long period of time. By the time the seiries was finished some of the issues were no longer available. In addition, some of the older adventures in the AP may have been done in 3.0 instead of 3.5 (I wasnt a subscriber at the time but this seems to be implyed). Finally, the editors said afterwords that they would take longer to do the next hardcover so that they would not have to divert as much effort from the magazine or miss cruical points.

However there are also reasons for producing a hardcover before the back issues are completly sold out. First, there is still interest now so people are more willing to buy issues, after all people are still talking about them. After information about the AP has died down it is unlikely that people would be interested in a reprinting. Second of all the hardcovers contain extra material that was cut or simply never there in the original printings. Many people want extra copies or back-ups of the adventures so they can do various things with them. Finally the people who have all the issues may buy the hardcover in additon for the extra content.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
BigJroni 03-10-07, 02:35 PM	On the paizo site there have been many requests for an Age of Worms Hardcover. The main reason that the editors give for the lack of a hardcover is that they have not yet received the go ahead from wizards of the coast. I realize that the wizards of the coast is printing many adventures at the moment and that therefore the Age of Worms hardcover could be considered competition. However wizards of the coast doesnt seem to be doing adventure pathes at the moment and the hardcovers are just one source versions of the adventure pathes published in Dungeon. I was wondering if anyone on this site could think of another reason that the Age of Worms hardcover would not be accepted by wizards of the coast, or if it is possible that it could be released at a later date. For those of you who don't know. The Age of Worms is the second adventure path to appear in the pages of Dungeon magazine, and appeared in issues 124 through 135. It took the charachters involved from level 1 to level 20 over the course of 12 adventures. Sorry if this has already been posted or if this is the wrong forum.
carmachu 03-10-07, 02:39 PM	Why wont it be accepted? It clashes with WotC releasing their own adventures. Pretty stupid, if you ask me, but thats the main reason.
Waldorf 03-10-07, 03:24 PM	Give it time. It'll happen.
Mouseferatu 03-10-07, 04:08 PM	It clashes with WotC releasing their own adventures. Pretty stupid, if you ask me, but thats the main reason. That's the main guess. It might make sense, but it's still a guess. WotC hasn't come out and said why they've delayed greenlighting an AoW hardback. Just for the record.
Treymordin 03-10-07, 06:43 PM	All of the super adventure paths that are in Paizo/ Dungeon magazine should be released in big books.
carmachu 03-10-07, 07:17 PM	That's the main guess. It might make sense, but it's still a guess. WotC hasn't come out and said why they've delayed greenlighting an AoW hardback. Just for the record. Doesnt matter. Its a damn good guess. I've similar things in Games-workshop. Until WotC decides to say why, thats a good of reason as any.
Mouseferatu 03-11-07, 01:27 AM	Doesnt matter. Its a damn good guess. I've similar things in Games-workshop. Until WotC decides to say why, thats a good of reason as any. Sure, it's a reasonable guess. I'm not saying it's wrong. But since it is still a guess, it should be presented as such. Implying that it's a confirmed fact, or anything other than guesswork (no matter how likely it might be) is disingenuous at best.
Lady Morn 03-11-07, 12:57 PM	I was wondering if anyone on this site could think of another reason that the Age of Worms hardcover would not be accepted by wizards of the coast, or if it is possible that it could be released at a later date. As others have said, it boils down to competition. The APs have a track record for quality. The SCAP hardcover alone has considerable production value and visual appeal. In short, most gamers will go for the sure bet of an AP hardcover over the unknown commodity of a WotC new release. It makes sense from that perspective. Where I think WotC is being shortsighted is how they overlook their own supplemental value. Why not use an AoW hardcover to push Heroes of Horror or Vile Darkness? Or down the road, use the STAP hardcover to generate sales of Stormwrack? (In fact, many STAP adventures suggest using Stormwrack for added depth (no pun intended)). It begs the question as to why WotC doesn't want to associate itself with the success of one of its partners? :confused:
Caligula 03-11-07, 03:14 PM	Perhaps Wizards could co-produce it so it would more in their interest! I would love to see the Age of Worms in hardbound cover! Also, the 3rd adventure path would be cool. The first one, The Shackled City, is awesome and I would recommend all D&D guys out there to go to www.paizo.com and buy it!!! :)
carmachu 03-11-07, 03:34 PM	Sure, it's a reasonable guess. I'm not saying it's wrong. But since it is still a guess, it should be presented as such. Implying that it's a confirmed fact, or anything other than guesswork (no matter how likely it might be) is disingenuous at best. Then give me something else. Because at the moment, thats really all there is. I mean if you were to say WotC doesnt want to do one becuase they worry it might effect DUNGEON mag sales, I could see it, but nowhere have I seen any real arguement about why not...all signs point there.
TheCarrionCrawler 03-12-07, 02:57 PM	Then give me something else. Because at the moment, thats really all there is. I mean if you were to say WotC doesnt want to do one becuase they worry it might effect DUNGEON mag sales, I could see it, but nowhere have I seen any real arguement about why not...all signs point there. Whoa, whoa, whoa! Easy tex! That's a lot of anger you're throwing out. Ari's a good guy, don't put knots in his knickers. If you really can't wait for a hardcover, go to a lgs and buy the back issues, they're usually not that expensive. Hell, rip out the pages, hole punch, put them into a binder.
mearrin69 03-12-07, 03:51 PM	I'd be willing to bet that Paizo is still selling lots of back issues containing AoW to all of those that didn't get it (or get the full thing). If I was them that'd be enough reason for me to delay publishing the hard cover - but I'd probably blame WoTC just to take the heat off of me from my customers. ;) Just an alternate scenario. :) M
Flame_Drake 03-12-07, 04:50 PM	Just curious, but how long did it take for Shackled City to be made into a hardcover book? Drake
BigJroni 03-12-07, 09:01 PM	To awnser Flame_Drake's question, the Shackled City hardcover was published at about the same time as the Age of Worms adventure path was started. However some things need to be taken into account: The Shackled City AP was not produced in consecutive magazines but was spread out over a long period of time. By the time the seiries was finished some of the issues were no longer available. In addition, some of the older adventures in the AP may have been done in 3.0 instead of 3.5 (I wasnt a subscriber at the time but this seems to be implyed). Finally, the editors said afterwords that they would take longer to do the next hardcover so that they would not have to divert as much effort from the magazine or miss cruical points. However there are also reasons for producing a hardcover before the back issues are completly sold out. First, there is still interest now so people are more willing to buy issues, after all people are still talking about them. After information about the AP has died down it is unlikely that people would be interested in a reprinting. Second of all the hardcovers contain extra material that was cut or simply never there in the original printings. Many people want extra copies or back-ups of the adventures so they can do various things with them. Finally the people who have all the issues may buy the hardcover in additon for the extra content.