Ancestral Relic [Archive] - Wizards Community

Ancestral Relic [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Amaril
03-30-05, 10:11 PM Are there any DMs or players out there that have had a hard time with the 1day/1,000gp rule for Ancestral Relic? One of my players has this feat, which I encourage for his character who is a Paladin of Heironeous interested in becoming an Anointed Knight.

I'm running Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil, which involves a lot of dungeon crawling and has an element of timeliness to it so there's really not a whole lot of opportunity for him to run off to a temple for days to enhance his weapon.
Kyuketsukiouji
03-31-05, 01:47 PM Not really. It's the same rule for any item creation feat, so I don't see why it should be an exception. Yes, it does mean a character in a time-constrained scenario will not be able to make use of it, but it's the same thing for a wizard and his spellbook, too.

The nature of the campaign is causing this particular problem, not the Ancestral Relic feat.
Amaril
03-31-05, 02:01 PM Not really. It's the same rule for any item creation feat, so I don't see why it should be an exception. Yes, it does mean a character in a time-constrained scenario will not be able to make use of it, but it's the same thing for a wizard and his spellbook, too.
I never made that comparison to item creation as obvious as it is. Thanks for pointing that out.
The nature of the campaign is causing this particular problem, not the Ancestral Relic feat.
I wholly agree; I'm just trying to find a solution that doesn't break things. But then again, why give this feat an advantage over Craft Magic Arms and Armor?

Thanks for the feedback.
Amaril
04-14-05, 12:11 AM So I have another question regarding the Ancestral Relic feat. How are the items actually sacrificed? Are they just placed in a pile and then they dissappear after the character prays for 8 hours? Are they donated to the temple? What exactly does it entail?

As of right now, I'm having stuff just "dissappear" after the ritual is performed.
Dunelord
04-14-05, 02:00 AM This comparrison isn't 100% valid since other item creation feats allow you to create magic items many times and this allows you to create one magic item. You may belive that the more open requirements for the feat mean it should do less though.
Kem
04-14-05, 02:23 AM This comparrison isn't 100% valid since other item creation feats allow you to create magic items many times and this allows you to create one magic item. You may belive that the more open requirements for the feat mean it should do less though.

And other real item creation feats let you pay half the cost in xp. This does not.
Dunelord
04-14-05, 11:59 PM It is 1/25 the cost in XP, not half but kem does have a point.
Kem
04-15-05, 06:47 PM It is 1/25 the cost in XP, not half but kem does have a point.

Hehe I ment half the gold cost in XP.

So for a +2 Sword its 8000gp.

4000 Gold to make (1/2 the gold cost)
320xp to replace the 4000gp you aren't paying.

I have always thought of the creating feats as a method to spend xp to save money :)

I still take Anscetral Relic every chance I get. Its that or item familiar (which I like more because I don't have to be good to take it)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Amaril 03-30-05, 10:11 PM	Are there any DMs or players out there that have had a hard time with the 1day/1,000gp rule for Ancestral Relic? One of my players has this feat, which I encourage for his character who is a Paladin of Heironeous interested in becoming an Anointed Knight. I'm running Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil, which involves a lot of dungeon crawling and has an element of timeliness to it so there's really not a whole lot of opportunity for him to run off to a temple for days to enhance his weapon.
Kyuketsukiouji 03-31-05, 01:47 PM	Not really. It's the same rule for any item creation feat, so I don't see why it should be an exception. Yes, it does mean a character in a time-constrained scenario will not be able to make use of it, but it's the same thing for a wizard and his spellbook, too. The nature of the campaign is causing this particular problem, not the Ancestral Relic feat.
Amaril 03-31-05, 02:01 PM	Not really. It's the same rule for any item creation feat, so I don't see why it should be an exception. Yes, it does mean a character in a time-constrained scenario will not be able to make use of it, but it's the same thing for a wizard and his spellbook, too. I never made that comparison to item creation as obvious as it is. Thanks for pointing that out. The nature of the campaign is causing this particular problem, not the Ancestral Relic feat. I wholly agree; I'm just trying to find a solution that doesn't break things. But then again, why give this feat an advantage over Craft Magic Arms and Armor? Thanks for the feedback.
Amaril 04-14-05, 12:11 AM	So I have another question regarding the Ancestral Relic feat. How are the items actually sacrificed? Are they just placed in a pile and then they dissappear after the character prays for 8 hours? Are they donated to the temple? What exactly does it entail? As of right now, I'm having stuff just "dissappear" after the ritual is performed.
Dunelord 04-14-05, 02:00 AM	This comparrison isn't 100% valid since other item creation feats allow you to create magic items many times and this allows you to create one magic item. You may belive that the more open requirements for the feat mean it should do less though.
Kem 04-14-05, 02:23 AM	This comparrison isn't 100% valid since other item creation feats allow you to create magic items many times and this allows you to create one magic item. You may belive that the more open requirements for the feat mean it should do less though. And other real item creation feats let you pay half the cost in xp. This does not.
Dunelord 04-14-05, 11:59 PM	It is 1/25 the cost in XP, not half but kem does have a point.
Kem 04-15-05, 06:47 PM	It is 1/25 the cost in XP, not half but kem does have a point. Hehe I ment half the gold cost in XP. So for a +2 Sword its 8000gp. 4000 Gold to make (1/2 the gold cost) 320xp to replace the 4000gp you aren't paying. I have always thought of the creating feats as a method to spend xp to save money :) I still take Anscetral Relic every chance I get. Its that or item familiar (which I like more because I don't have to be good to take it)