"Broken" is broken [Archive] - Wizards Community

"Broken" is broken [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Phrennzy
06-28-07, 06:58 PM The term broken has been overused to the point of it not having the same effect as it once did.

"Broken" has become a catchall for everything from a minor disagreement with a rule (Sneak Attack should be d4. d6 is broken) to a major game inequality (Wizards pwn fighters, therefore wizards are broken.)

It is obvious then, that the term 'broken' is broken. It is broken in terms of not being effective any longer at conveying a message, while at the same time, it is broken in that calling something 'broken' biases everyone who reads that sentence against that something.

Broken is broken and really, now that broken is broken it should no longer be used by people who use the term broken to identify something that is in actuality broken, rather than just something they think is broken, since broken is now broken. A new terminology should enter the lexicon.

I for one would suggest "Nekorb" in the same vein of n00b and b00n.

Thank you for your time.
bobotheguy
06-28-07, 07:05 PM HAHAHAHAHAHA :D

If broken is broken, what can fix it?? if if broken is fixed, does that mean everything else goes back to being broken?

Bobo (Good one)
oden131
06-28-07, 07:35 PM amen
CryoSilver
06-28-07, 08:03 PM Won't that just become the new "broken" for those who misuse the latter at present?

And bobo, I really hope your sig is a joke. English already has a gender neutral pronoun: "it."
Sarig the Genie
06-28-07, 08:20 PM This thread is nekorb!
IRememberCecil
06-28-07, 09:03 PM I for one would suggest "Nekorb" in the same vein of n00b and b00n.
I would have chosen "sladurkfruckiflas". But then again, I'm not all that great at making stuff up (My creative thinking is good. My implementation, not so much).
darkdragonk
06-28-07, 09:06 PM Yeah I never understood why it was called "broken" anyways. If somthing is broken doesn't that mean that It works less well than normal. :P
Board_Rider
06-28-07, 09:24 PM Yeah I never understood why it was called "broken" anyways. If somthing is broken doesn't that mean that It works less well than normal. :P
Agreed.

But I think I am in the small crowd who laughs in the the face of the word "broke". One time I sat on the roof of my buddies house, a la Lt. Dan, literally begging for my players to come up with something broken.

Oh, IRememberCecil, your post is funny.

Later.
IRememberCecil
06-28-07, 09:29 PM Oh, IRememberCecil, your post is funny.
Thank you. Now if only I had been kidding.
fatal error
06-28-07, 10:58 PM Didn't we have one of these just a little while ago?

It doesn't matter what term you choose, there will always be ambiguity of you use only one word to describe why something doesn't work.
DarkNick
06-28-07, 11:01 PM I don't know, Nekorb is pretty precise...Not sure how you could misunderstand that term to mean anything but what it is...;)
Johnny_Angel
06-28-07, 11:06 PM Instead of using a new word, why not just revamp Broken and come out with Broken v4.0?

Afterwards, any references to older versions of Broken will be considered outdated and incompatible with the new system.
Sim_antix
06-29-07, 02:01 AM HAHAHAHAHAHA :D

If broken is broken, what can fix it?? if if broken is fixed, does that mean everything else goes back to being broken?

Bobo (Good one)

Duct Tape. :D
bobotheguy
06-29-07, 02:18 AM Duct Tape. :D

:w00t: HAHAHA Duct tape can fix anything!

Random fact, NASA reccomends the use of duct tape to restrain astronauts suffering from space insanity

oh yea, and my sig is not a joke. it does not mean to replace "He" or "She" as individual words, it means to replace the phrases "He or She" "Him or Her" "His or Hers" as an example, the sentence "This belongs to either him, or her." instead is written "This belongs to Himmer"

Bobo
Mique
06-29-07, 02:58 AM so, if the term broken is broken, then that means that the term used to describe this thread is also broke, due to the fact that "broken" no longer means broken. so if thats the case does the thread now become un broke becuase the term used means something else? what happens if the terminology changes so now that broken is no longer broken? is it now fixed? if so then broken must be fixed, ergo the whole point of this discussion would not be required, as the terminology behind it is no longer relevant, and thus by result everything in game is now either broken or not broken. but since the term broken is now repaired, broke dosent matter, because broke dosent exist.
lantan_gnome
06-29-07, 04:21 AM just make it ''3.5'' add a scale similar to earth quakes.

duz0r y0 bUildz iz a 1o 0n the Br0kz0r111!!11 ScAAle

(now we only need to debate endlesly on this silly topic to determin how broken evrything is)
Pippa
06-29-07, 08:07 AM Just a couple of thoughts:

1. If broken is broken, it can mean that it is fixed and all people who keep telling things are broken are wrong - or, it means broken is broken is broken, aka not working, which the word means, much like yellow means yellow. But I always say what's in a name I liked Snuggywug and Snuggy-le-d'oh, though. and I don't like arguing about a single term - still, the word enables me to recognise the people with the broken-fetish so I can point and laugh at them. Even if 4.0 broken would become 'failing' 'kapütt' or 'sladurkfruckiflas'.

2. The word sladurkfruckiflas is taken, btw. It was the ruler of the 10th layer of Baator, which was undergoing reparations in the time the other nine became famous. I guess it was broken.

3. There should be a test that tells you not what race, class or die you are, but how broken you happen to be. Not sure what the questions would look like, though.
IRememberCecil
06-29-07, 12:26 PM 2. The word sladurkfruckiflas is taken, btw. It was the ruler of the 10th layer of Baator, which was undergoing reparations in the time the other nine became famous. I guess it was broken.
I'll kill the mother:censored:!

Ruler of Hell or no, no one preemptively steals my made-up words.
caeruleus
06-29-07, 01:04 PM "Broken" is not broken because you can always use Rule Zero. Of course, Rule Zero is nekorb, so maybe we should be using Rule Orez. I think that should work, as should be obvious.
Einvaldurinn_mikli
06-29-07, 01:06 PM "Broken" is not broken because you can always use Rule Zero. Of course, Rule Zero is nekorb, so maybe we should be using Rule Orez. I think that should work, as should be obvious.

Lolz is dat sum Oberoni.(Intentional?)
BlaineTog
06-29-07, 01:22 PM The term broken has been overused to the point of it not having the same effect as it once did.

"Broken" has become a catchall for everything from a minor disagreement with a rule (Sneak Attack should be d4. d6 is broken) to a major game inequality (Wizards pwn fighters, therefore wizards are broken.)

It is obvious then, that the term 'broken' is broken. It is broken in terms of not being effective any longer at conveying a message, while at the same time, it is broken in that calling something 'broken' biases everyone who reads that sentence against that something.

Broken is broken and really, now that broken is broken it should no longer be used by people who use the term broken to identify something that is in actuality broken, rather than just something they think is broken, since broken is now broken. A new terminology should enter the lexicon.

I for one would suggest "Nekorb" in the same vein of n00b and b00n.

Thank you for your time.Welcome to the way language works. I suggest we accept it and move on.
IRememberCecil
06-29-07, 01:32 PM Lolz is dat sum Oberoni.
I think so (see below).
(Intentional?)
Probably, and I think you ruined the joke by explaining it.
Bacon and Eggs
06-29-07, 03:33 PM I sensed that somebody needed a hug in this thread... so I showed up as fast as I could.
Phrennzy
06-29-07, 04:10 PM Welcome to the way language works. I suggest we accept it and move on.

No.
Einvaldurinn_mikli
06-29-07, 04:21 PM Probably, and I think you ruined the joke by explaining it.

Well, it wasn't very funny in the first place.
OravennasBrother
06-29-07, 04:27 PM The term broken has been overused

I for one would suggest "Nekorb"
Next thing you know we'll see stats for Zatana.
Phrennzy
06-29-07, 04:36 PM Next thing you know we'll see stats for Zatana.

LOL. I totally get that. LOL
Psychoticpsymon
06-29-07, 04:51 PM I think broken should be replaced with fixed. This way, everything is fixed and we dont need to worry about it! :D

(How long you all think it will be before WizO's ban posting about 'broken' for a week or two? :D)
_Jayne_Cobb_
06-29-07, 04:59 PM And we have a winner, folks.
caeruleus
06-29-07, 06:11 PM Lolz is dat sum Oberoni.(Intentional?)

No, my intetion was to commit the Inorebo Fallacy.
Aliquid
06-29-07, 09:50 PM Reminds me of an old thread... but I can't find it anymore.

So.... I will recreate the general idea:

Thread title:
Is this window broken?

Thread content: View the spoiler
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/broken_windows.jpg
taski
06-30-07, 03:14 AM No, that window isn't broken. Windows Vista is broken.
OneWinged4ngel
06-30-07, 04:41 AM HAHAHAHAHAHA :D

If broken is broken, what can fix it?? if if broken is fixed, does that mean everything else goes back to being broken?

Bobo (Good one)

Fixing a term means establishing a universal definition that we can all adhere to.

Typically, you would consider the word "broken" to imply greater severity than "unbalanced" or even "overpowered." However, we run into problems when we see people using the term to mean "slightly different from where I think the level of balance should be" and similar things.

In its purest form, I believe, broken meant that a mechanic was so bad that it just wouldn't work. It'd actually screw over a game. So, an infinite loop to become Pun Pun would be "broken" in this sense, because it abuses a mechanic in a way that breaks the system over its knee.

*shrug*
Aaarrrgh
06-30-07, 08:05 AM Yeah I never understood why it was called "broken" anyways. If somthing is broken doesn't that mean that It works less well than normal. :P

The term "broken" is used Magic too, and there it started as a word used in development, simply meaning "something that needs fixing". I guess something similar is true for D&D.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Phrennzy 06-28-07, 06:58 PM	The term broken has been overused to the point of it not having the same effect as it once did. "Broken" has become a catchall for everything from a minor disagreement with a rule (Sneak Attack should be d4. d6 is broken) to a major game inequality (Wizards pwn fighters, therefore wizards are broken.) It is obvious then, that the term 'broken' is broken. It is broken in terms of not being effective any longer at conveying a message, while at the same time, it is broken in that calling something 'broken' biases everyone who reads that sentence against that something. Broken is broken and really, now that broken is broken it should no longer be used by people who use the term broken to identify something that is in actuality broken, rather than just something they think is broken, since broken is now broken. A new terminology should enter the lexicon. I for one would suggest "Nekorb" in the same vein of n00b and b00n. Thank you for your time.
bobotheguy 06-28-07, 07:05 PM	HAHAHAHAHAHA :D If broken is broken, what can fix it?? if if broken is fixed, does that mean everything else goes back to being broken? Bobo (Good one)
oden131 06-28-07, 07:35 PM	amen
CryoSilver 06-28-07, 08:03 PM	Won't that just become the new "broken" for those who misuse the latter at present? And bobo, I really hope your sig is a joke. English already has a gender neutral pronoun: "it."
Sarig the Genie 06-28-07, 08:20 PM	This thread is nekorb!
IRememberCecil 06-28-07, 09:03 PM	I for one would suggest "Nekorb" in the same vein of n00b and b00n. I would have chosen "sladurkfruckiflas". But then again, I'm not all that great at making stuff up (My creative thinking is good. My implementation, not so much).
darkdragonk 06-28-07, 09:06 PM	Yeah I never understood why it was called "broken" anyways. If somthing is broken doesn't that mean that It works less well than normal. :P
Board_Rider 06-28-07, 09:24 PM	Yeah I never understood why it was called "broken" anyways. If somthing is broken doesn't that mean that It works less well than normal. :P Agreed. But I think I am in the small crowd who laughs in the the face of the word "broke". One time I sat on the roof of my buddies house, a la Lt. Dan, literally begging for my players to come up with something broken. Oh, IRememberCecil, your post is funny. Later.
IRememberCecil 06-28-07, 09:29 PM	Oh, IRememberCecil, your post is funny. Thank you. Now if only I had been kidding.
fatal error 06-28-07, 10:58 PM	Didn't we have one of these just a little while ago? It doesn't matter what term you choose, there will always be ambiguity of you use only one word to describe why something doesn't work.
DarkNick 06-28-07, 11:01 PM	I don't know, Nekorb is pretty precise...Not sure how you could misunderstand that term to mean anything but what it is...;)
Johnny_Angel 06-28-07, 11:06 PM	Instead of using a new word, why not just revamp Broken and come out with Broken v4.0? Afterwards, any references to older versions of Broken will be considered outdated and incompatible with the new system.
Sim_antix 06-29-07, 02:01 AM	HAHAHAHAHAHA :D If broken is broken, what can fix it?? if if broken is fixed, does that mean everything else goes back to being broken? Bobo (Good one) Duct Tape. :D
bobotheguy 06-29-07, 02:18 AM	Duct Tape. :D :w00t: HAHAHA Duct tape can fix anything! Random fact, NASA reccomends the use of duct tape to restrain astronauts suffering from space insanity oh yea, and my sig is not a joke. it does not mean to replace "He" or "She" as individual words, it means to replace the phrases "He or She" "Him or Her" "His or Hers" as an example, the sentence "This belongs to either him, or her." instead is written "This belongs to Himmer" Bobo
Mique 06-29-07, 02:58 AM	so, if the term broken is broken, then that means that the term used to describe this thread is also broke, due to the fact that "broken" no longer means broken. so if thats the case does the thread now become un broke becuase the term used means something else? what happens if the terminology changes so now that broken is no longer broken? is it now fixed? if so then broken must be fixed, ergo the whole point of this discussion would not be required, as the terminology behind it is no longer relevant, and thus by result everything in game is now either broken or not broken. but since the term broken is now repaired, broke dosent matter, because broke dosent exist.
lantan_gnome 06-29-07, 04:21 AM	just make it ''3.5'' add a scale similar to earth quakes. duz0r y0 bUildz iz a 1o 0n the Br0kz0r111!!11 ScAAle (now we only need to debate endlesly on this silly topic to determin how broken evrything is)
Pippa 06-29-07, 08:07 AM	Just a couple of thoughts: 1. If broken is broken, it can mean that it is fixed and all people who keep telling things are broken are wrong - or, it means broken is broken is broken, aka not working, which the word means, much like yellow means yellow. But I always say what's in a name I liked Snuggywug and Snuggy-le-d'oh, though. and I don't like arguing about a single term - still, the word enables me to recognise the people with the broken-fetish so I can point and laugh at them. Even if 4.0 broken would become 'failing' 'kapütt' or 'sladurkfruckiflas'. 2. The word sladurkfruckiflas is taken, btw. It was the ruler of the 10th layer of Baator, which was undergoing reparations in the time the other nine became famous. I guess it was broken. 3. There should be a test that tells you not what race, class or die you are, but how broken you happen to be. Not sure what the questions would look like, though.
IRememberCecil 06-29-07, 12:26 PM	2. The word sladurkfruckiflas is taken, btw. It was the ruler of the 10th layer of Baator, which was undergoing reparations in the time the other nine became famous. I guess it was broken. I'll kill the mother:censored:! Ruler of Hell or no, no one preemptively steals my made-up words.
caeruleus 06-29-07, 01:04 PM	"Broken" is not broken because you can always use Rule Zero. Of course, Rule Zero is nekorb, so maybe we should be using Rule Orez. I think that should work, as should be obvious.
Einvaldurinn_mikli 06-29-07, 01:06 PM	"Broken" is not broken because you can always use Rule Zero. Of course, Rule Zero is nekorb, so maybe we should be using Rule Orez. I think that should work, as should be obvious. Lolz is dat sum Oberoni.(Intentional?)
BlaineTog 06-29-07, 01:22 PM	The term broken has been overused to the point of it not having the same effect as it once did. "Broken" has become a catchall for everything from a minor disagreement with a rule (Sneak Attack should be d4. d6 is broken) to a major game inequality (Wizards pwn fighters, therefore wizards are broken.) It is obvious then, that the term 'broken' is broken. It is broken in terms of not being effective any longer at conveying a message, while at the same time, it is broken in that calling something 'broken' biases everyone who reads that sentence against that something. Broken is broken and really, now that broken is broken it should no longer be used by people who use the term broken to identify something that is in actuality broken, rather than just something they think is broken, since broken is now broken. A new terminology should enter the lexicon. I for one would suggest "Nekorb" in the same vein of n00b and b00n. Thank you for your time.Welcome to the way language works. I suggest we accept it and move on.
IRememberCecil 06-29-07, 01:32 PM	Lolz is dat sum Oberoni. I think so (see below). (Intentional?) Probably, and I think you ruined the joke by explaining it.
Bacon and Eggs 06-29-07, 03:33 PM	I sensed that somebody needed a hug in this thread... so I showed up as fast as I could.
Phrennzy 06-29-07, 04:10 PM	Welcome to the way language works. I suggest we accept it and move on. No.
Einvaldurinn_mikli 06-29-07, 04:21 PM	Probably, and I think you ruined the joke by explaining it. Well, it wasn't very funny in the first place.
OravennasBrother 06-29-07, 04:27 PM	The term broken has been overused I for one would suggest "Nekorb" Next thing you know we'll see stats for Zatana.
Phrennzy 06-29-07, 04:36 PM	Next thing you know we'll see stats for Zatana. LOL. I totally get that. LOL
Psychoticpsymon 06-29-07, 04:51 PM	I think broken should be replaced with fixed. This way, everything is fixed and we dont need to worry about it! :D (How long you all think it will be before WizO's ban posting about 'broken' for a week or two? :D)
_Jayne_Cobb_ 06-29-07, 04:59 PM	And we have a winner, folks.
caeruleus 06-29-07, 06:11 PM	Lolz is dat sum Oberoni.(Intentional?) No, my intetion was to commit the Inorebo Fallacy.
Aliquid 06-29-07, 09:50 PM	Reminds me of an old thread... but I can't find it anymore. So.... I will recreate the general idea: Thread title: Is this window broken? Thread content: View the spoiler http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/broken_windows.jpg
taski 06-30-07, 03:14 AM	No, that window isn't broken. Windows Vista is broken.
OneWinged4ngel 06-30-07, 04:41 AM	HAHAHAHAHAHA :D If broken is broken, what can fix it?? if if broken is fixed, does that mean everything else goes back to being broken? Bobo (Good one) Fixing a term means establishing a universal definition that we can all adhere to. Typically, you would consider the word "broken" to imply greater severity than "unbalanced" or even "overpowered." However, we run into problems when we see people using the term to mean "slightly different from where I think the level of balance should be" and similar things. In its purest form, I believe, broken meant that a mechanic was so bad that it just wouldn't work. It'd actually screw over a game. So, an infinite loop to become Pun Pun would be "broken" in this sense, because it abuses a mechanic in a way that breaks the system over its knee. shrug
Aaarrrgh 06-30-07, 08:05 AM	Yeah I never understood why it was called "broken" anyways. If somthing is broken doesn't that mean that It works less well than normal. :P The term "broken" is used Magic too, and there it started as a word used in development, simply meaning "something that needs fixing". I guess something similar is true for D&D.