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DragonRg6
03-29-04, 10:00 AM Question that's always bugged me. I am usually quite good at diplomatically telling people that they aren't wanted. However, what do you do if you have an unwanted player in your group who you don't want to insult, or be tactless with, but makes life difficult for others, plays difficultly, is a rules lawyer, makes complex characters, moans if his character hasn't got as much in the way of HP/AC/Gold/Magic items, and Meta-games in the extreme?

(Oh, and by "complex characters", I mean moans unless you let him be a xill ranger starting with two mercurial greatswords or the like).
Seeker95
03-29-04, 10:22 AM If you are not comfortable telling the player face-to-face, try an e-mail.

If you are not comfortable telling a player at all, then change the location and time of your game and don't inform him.

If the problem player is a friend, then I recommend you somehow get comfortable telling him face-to-face. Otherwise, reconsider your own status as a friend.
DragonRg6
03-29-04, 10:24 AM good plans.

Jeez, I hope he doesn't read this thread. (:mymy: )
His Majesty
03-29-04, 10:26 AM Ooh, that seems like a terrible pain in the ass. I think that you had better try to talk to him first, and explain that he's problematic - that way he's already aware of the possible consequences. Then, if he continues to be a problem (which seems probable), tell him you're sick of this, and give him two or three more chances. If he still does it, one "second opportunity" is down. Then both. Then OUT!

Thus there is a chance of redemption, and if it doesn't work he already knows what's coming to him, and will (I think) understand your situation.

Good luck.
DragonRg6
03-29-04, 10:27 AM Yeah, good plan.
Majin_Tenshi
03-29-04, 06:24 PM I just moved the game to the other gameing store for a few sessions without telling him. 'Course... being nice isn't my strong point.
druid berrymore
03-29-04, 11:03 PM If you want this guy to be there, you are gonna have to find out why he is acting like he is. Is it because he thinks role playing is lame? Is it because he doesn't like to co-operate with others? Is it because he doesn't feel like he fits in? When you know the reason for his behaviour do two things.

First give the whole group a speech about what the reason is for doing this. If the other members feel the same as you about him, they will understand that the speech isn't for them. Make it sound casual, though. Maybe he's confused about why adults would get around a table and role dice and act like characters they've created. To anyone who hasn't done it before, role playing sounds pointless, but to those who've played with good people and a great DM...it's beyond any game.

Second make him feel like a member of the group. Reward good RPing with encouragement. Talk to the other players separately and tell them to do the same. If he feels like a vital member of the group he may find more enjoyment in playing.

If none of this works, maybe he's just a video game guy.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
DragonRg6 03-29-04, 10:00 AM	Question that's always bugged me. I am usually quite good at diplomatically telling people that they aren't wanted. However, what do you do if you have an unwanted player in your group who you don't want to insult, or be tactless with, but makes life difficult for others, plays difficultly, is a rules lawyer, makes complex characters, moans if his character hasn't got as much in the way of HP/AC/Gold/Magic items, and Meta-games in the extreme? (Oh, and by "complex characters", I mean moans unless you let him be a xill ranger starting with two mercurial greatswords or the like).
Seeker95 03-29-04, 10:22 AM	If you are not comfortable telling the player face-to-face, try an e-mail. If you are not comfortable telling a player at all, then change the location and time of your game and don't inform him. If the problem player is a friend, then I recommend you somehow get comfortable telling him face-to-face. Otherwise, reconsider your own status as a friend.
DragonRg6 03-29-04, 10:24 AM	good plans. Jeez, I hope he doesn't read this thread. (:mymy: )
His Majesty 03-29-04, 10:26 AM	Ooh, that seems like a terrible pain in the ass. I think that you had better try to talk to him first, and explain that he's problematic - that way he's already aware of the possible consequences. Then, if he continues to be a problem (which seems probable), tell him you're sick of this, and give him two or three more chances. If he still does it, one "second opportunity" is down. Then both. Then OUT! Thus there is a chance of redemption, and if it doesn't work he already knows what's coming to him, and will (I think) understand your situation. Good luck.
DragonRg6 03-29-04, 10:27 AM	Yeah, good plan.
Majin_Tenshi 03-29-04, 06:24 PM	I just moved the game to the other gameing store for a few sessions without telling him. 'Course... being nice isn't my strong point.
druid berrymore 03-29-04, 11:03 PM	If you want this guy to be there, you are gonna have to find out why he is acting like he is. Is it because he thinks role playing is lame? Is it because he doesn't like to co-operate with others? Is it because he doesn't feel like he fits in? When you know the reason for his behaviour do two things. First give the whole group a speech about what the reason is for doing this. If the other members feel the same as you about him, they will understand that the speech isn't for them. Make it sound casual, though. Maybe he's confused about why adults would get around a table and role dice and act like characters they've created. To anyone who hasn't done it before, role playing sounds pointless, but to those who've played with good people and a great DM...it's beyond any game. Second make him feel like a member of the group. Reward good RPing with encouragement. Talk to the other players separately and tell them to do the same. If he feels like a vital member of the group he may find more enjoyment in playing. If none of this works, maybe he's just a video game guy.