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Thomasyo4 10-16-05, 01:03 PM	Being a Rogue i've found it hard as hell to hit those :censored: invisible creatures. But in my years i've found a way to sorta counter this with out a spell. ok you're like "this guy's crazy" but i've found a way. first you get water (or some non fast drying liquid) and some how get it on the creature. second you need flour a ,good amount, and get that on the creature and vioala you can see it for an extended time. :ghosted: :blink: IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS PLZ POST
strumbleduck 10-16-05, 04:09 PM	You probably don't even need the water. All you need to do is hit the bad guy with a sack of flour and you can see him for a while. I would rule that you need to succeed at a ranged touch attack with a bag of flour, and this touch attack is subject to the standard 50% miss chance for hitting invisible creatures. Success reduces the invisibility to concealment (20% miss chance, and you can always figure out what square the bad guy is in). Of course, the trick is to figure out where the bad guy is in the first place, so that you can throw the flour at him . . .
InkBlot 10-16-05, 04:24 PM	Ready an action to throw the flour on the invisible dude as soon as he attacks you, that way you can discern where he is by where the attacks come from. Note that this only works if your opponent is attacking you in melee, is medium sized, and doesn't have reach. You can also make (very high DC) spot and/or listen checks to figure out which square your invisible opponent is in. All this stuff is covered in the back of the DMG, under invisibility, on page #295. They even specifically mention flour. I would rule that you can dump flour into one square as an area-effect as a full round action. Or you could cast Gust of Wind and empty a bag of flour into it, which would blow the flour across a 60 ft. line. Or you could spread the flour evenly on the ground around you and watch for footprints. Invisibility is easily negated by a well-prepared opponent.
rkr1970 10-16-05, 04:39 PM	I have a character that uses old socks & stockings filled with fine-ground powder. As soon as he's aware of an invisible opponent, he stops dead in his tracks. Then he slams one of the socks against the ground, hard! It makes a big starburst of flour and a nice sized cloud. If the invisible guy walks through the cloud or the flour on the floor after the cloud settles, I know where he is. I don't always hit, but I'm nailing the right square. Anything more accurate would require magic like fairie fire or glitterdust.
Thomasyo4 10-16-05, 07:14 PM	Well I said a liquid because it sticks better fast and harder to get off when dry
rkr1970 10-16-05, 07:20 PM	Well I said a liquid because it sticks better fast and harder to get off when dry And wouldn't the liquid or flour become invisible when they hit the guy? Many DMs say so. My method assumes this and I track the swirls in the cloud or the footprints.
InkBlot 10-16-05, 07:43 PM	On page 295 of the DMG it specifically states that only objects being worn/carried by the character when he becomes invisible become invisible with him, and that anything he later picks up remain visible. The DMG even gives covering an invisible creature with flour as an example of how clever players can counter invisibility. If your DM says that flour thrown onto an invisible character turns invisible then that is a house-rule. In my opinion, a house rule which makes Invisibility and Greater Invisibility too powerful for their spell levels.
rkr1970 10-16-05, 07:54 PM	I haven't had a DM rule that way since 2nd Ed, but I've used the flour this way since 1st Ed. Besides, it's the monsters that have invisibility at will that you have to be worried about. They pop in, they pop out, and the flour is gone because they "were wearing it when they went invisible". I've had a few DMs pull that in 3rd Ed. Usually happens to me when I hit his critters with glitterdust. My usual reponse is something like "Eat DBFB!" Then I don't have to worry about the DM saying that I missed.
Arckon 10-16-05, 11:07 PM	How to negate invisibility without knowing where the invisible target is: 1) Put a pitch-soaked ball of rags in a bowl of pitch thinned with oil and have it tied to a thin trip line. The end of the line closest to the rag and bowl of pitch is knotted so it wont slip past the angled pin. 2) color line gray and run it along the flow, held down by pins that are set at a shallow angle to the vertical. (ie slightly bent to hold the line in place, and yet also easily knocked free from the pins). 3) at a hieght of about 4', place a hook, and at the top of the ceiling place a second hook. Line runs through 4' high hook, then up to ceiling where it loops back down and holds up a 3 - 5 pound weight. When invisible creature trips the line, it pulls free of pins along the floor and pulls up horizontal to the 4' height of the hook. This in turn pulls the rag-ball to the invisible creature and splats it good with pitch. Add flames for yet more visibility.
rkr1970 10-16-05, 11:29 PM	How to negate invisibility without knowing where the invisible target is: 1) Put a pitch-soaked ball of rags in a bowl of pitch thinned with oil and have it tied to a thin trip line. The end of the line closest to the rag and bowl of pitch is knotted so it wont slip past the angled pin. 2) color line gray and run it along the flow, held down by pins that are set at a shallow angle to the vertical. (ie slightly bent to hold the line in place, and yet also easily knocked free from the pins). 3) at a hieght of about 4', place a hook, and at the top of the ceiling place a second hook. Line runs through 4' high hook, then up to ceiling where it loops back down and holds up a 3 - 5 pound weight. When invisible creature trips the line, it pulls free of pins along the floor and pulls up horizontal to the 4' height of the hook. This in turn pulls the rag-ball to the invisible creature and splats it good with pitch. Add flames for yet more visibility. Riiiighhttt.... I always have time for that when ambushed in a dungeon by an orge magi... :uh-huh:
Azual 10-17-05, 06:55 AM	Riiiighhttt.... I always have time for that when ambushed in a dungeon by an orge magi... :uh-huh: who doesnt? You could, however, use the always beautiful antimagic field. :)
Raven Dark 10-17-05, 11:06 AM	If I were a DM, I would allow a player to hurl a sack of flower like a grenade-like weapon. A direct hit covers the creture in flower, making him visible. Splash damage is far less effective, however, making the creature visible, but leaving it with normal concealment (20% miss chance). :D
rkr1970 10-17-05, 11:24 AM	You could always resort to less obvious methods. When confronted by an invisible attacker, pull the barbarian's finger. You'll know where the opponent is by the gagging sounds. :rofl: