Post/Author/DateTime	Post
thalious 04-06-04, 08:22 PM	There are and have been a few threads concerning Anti-Heroes. Are there any examples of a Anti-Villian?
Seeker95 04-06-04, 08:39 PM	I have one in my current campaign. The BBEG is a bad guy. The BBEG has a rival who is also a bad guy. If the BBEG wins, the rival loses face and power. So the rival is assisting the PCs in order to foil the BBEG. Ultimately, he is doing all the right things for very selfish reasons.
Majin_Tenshi 04-07-04, 01:34 AM	thats an anti-HERO... Hero - Someone who does good for selfless reasons anti-hero - someone who does good for selfish reasons villian - someone who does evil for selfish reasons anti-villian - someone who does evil for selfless reasons Anti-villians... Lets see... A deluded crusader (almost covers itself at that) who has a terrible sense of who to save and who to smite. Parent(s) blackmailed into doing terrible things to protect their children. A devoted servant who swore an oath to a king whos heart has since become dark.
Bandido 04-07-04, 07:16 AM	How about Myria from Breath of Fire III? Self-appointed protector of the world, she killed all the dragons because their Infinity power could possibly have destroyed the world, even though none of the dragons would ever have used it in that way (because they would have destroyed themselves in the process, and because they were generally nice people).
Magus Gar Kan 04-07-04, 09:08 AM	I think the only way you could get an anti-villan by that definition is to have a misguided good guy.
Seeker95 04-07-04, 10:37 AM	Originally posted by Magus Gar Kan I think the only way you could get an anti-villan by that definition is to have a misguided good guy. Isn't that most of the PC paladins, almost all of the chaotic neutral PCs, and the majority of players who come up with an angst-ridden backstory? :D
thalious 04-16-04, 09:28 PM	How abut Ike Clanton from the movie Tombstone?
Henchcritter 04-16-04, 09:34 PM	Originally posted by Magus Gar Kan I think the only way you could get an anti-villan by that definition is to have a misguided good guy. So that means the normal real world evil guy.
JoAT 04-17-04, 03:03 AM	Nah nah nah, you've got it all wrong - an anti-villian perpetuates anti-crimes. Like Proferring with Embarassment (that's right, give the big, armor clad bad guy with a slightly sappy heart his old teddy bear...), or Breaking and Decorating... Indeed, it is a good thing that more anti-crimes aren't commited.... ;)
Orion the Raven 04-17-04, 06:21 AM	So that means the normal real world evil guy. No, it means someone who does evil but thinks they are helping everyone. There are real world anti-villains, but there are also those who know what they are doing is wrong but do it anyway because they want to or like to.
Henchcritter 04-17-04, 10:26 AM	Originally posted by Orion the Raven So that means the normal real world evil guy. No, it means someone who does evil but thinks they are helping everyone. There are real world anti-villains, but there are also those who know what they are doing is wrong but do it anyway because they want to or like to. Take a good look at history's greatest villains, they were all ideologists.
Mister Mayhem 04-17-04, 10:53 AM	I'd say that the "villain" in Alan Moore's phenomenal graphic Novel "The Watchmen" qualifies as an "Anti-villain." (It also includes two excellent, but quite different, examples of Anti-Heroes - Rorschach and The Comedian.) I won't say more about who he is, since that would spoil it for anyone who hasn't read it yet - and if that includes you, go and get a copy NOW! But the villain murders a very large number of people - both personally and by proxy, in a wide variety of ways, in order to, well, save the world, basically.
Wil_Hyral 04-17-04, 04:38 PM	Aside from real-life villains, I can't believe no one's mentioned Sephiroth. What did he want to do, again? Restore things to the way they used to be before materia was abused and such? Wipe out the humans and you'll wipe out the problem. What a nice guy; I'd have joined him in a heartbeat.
Quenditar 04-17-04, 08:07 PM	Originally posted by Wil_Hyral Aside from real-life villains, I can't believe no one's mentioned Sephiroth. What did he want to do, again? Restore things to the way they used to be before materia was abused and such? Wipe out the humans and you'll wipe out the problem. What a nice guy; I'd have joined him in a heartbeat. *cough*Necrosaro*cough*. Not a bad guy, he just decided that humans were a vile race and needed to be exterminated so that non-humans ("monsters") could live in freedom. Little things like exterminating villages, making all the inhabitants of a castle vanish into an alternate dimension, and trying to revive the Ruler of Evil, Esturk shouldn't get in the way of realizing such a noble ambition. While we're on the subject of video games, General Leo should count as an anti-villain, as would Cid VI. Rubicant...nah. He's very much a lawful stupid LE, though.