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Will_Stutler
05-08-07, 03:36 PM does any one else get crap about playing the same classes or type of classes.....i love to play Fighters and fighter types
barbarians, monks, Psy. warriors, to a lesser dagree Rangers, and War Mages though i know that last one is less of a fighter more of a spell caster with some hit points, hell guys i have even played a Warlock .................but in the end every one of my friends and other party members gives me **** about playing not only something i can understand but something i understand

as many times as i have tried to play a stright spell caster i just can't get all the spells and how many spells you get for each day which charts you follow and why one chart says you get something when the next chart says you dont get that extra spell a day....where psionics i understand

has any one else been given **** for playing the same types of charachters???

any thoughts on how i can get these guys off my back......keep in mind that these guys are friends and i do not want to get kicked out of the game nor loss any friends over this

any thoughts would be nice
Later Days
Will Stutler
Lord_Svengali
05-08-07, 03:48 PM I tend to catch a lot of good-natured ribbing from my friends, who claim that unless the DM walks me through character creation, I will invariably create some sort of swashbuckling Arabian-style sorcerer.

I have also received more than a little flack from assorted self-proclaimed "uber-doodz" who don't understand my mindset.
Toran_A_Sunder
05-08-07, 03:59 PM Invariably, if a friend spontaneously decides to run a game and I only have a few moments to think about it, 8 out of 10 times I'll create a bard/rogue/swashbuckler/etc. scoundrel type character who is never amazing at combat but awesome in social encounters. It just happens. They are my favorite types of characters to play. But each one is different from the other. My neutral good half celestial bard/rogue is very much different from my human bard/seeker of the song, who in turn is even more different from my human swashbuckler/scout.

If they give you crap tell them to frag off. You're having fun, thats what's important. Not that you make vastly different characters each game.

That being said, I have a friend who makes the same character every time. A crotchety, sneaky, thieving somthing or other who is annoying and takes all the treasure. If this is thekind of character you are making (not saying you are, just if) then your friends do have a right to want you to play something different.
Seeker95
05-08-07, 04:06 PM Not I. Nobody seemed to have a problem with my normally playing a dwarven fighter in older editions, and I have not played enough 3e to have earned such a reputation. (I DM mostly.)
celtredleg
05-08-07, 04:14 PM I have played the grouchy dwarf fighter for 30 years. There is always space for the classics. Of course, I mostly DM any more, so I dont play them often enough.

Next time somebody wants you to play something different, tell them OK, but you cant drink mountain dew, or what ever their favorite is, instead you have to drink cold black coffee, or something else they dont like, if they have a taste for cold coffee.

Seems fair, if they can dictate something you like, you should be able to dictate something to them.
Will_Stutler
05-08-07, 04:14 PM Invariably, if a friend spontaneously decides to run a game and I only have a few moments to think about it, 8 out of 10 times I'll create a bard/rogue/swashbuckler/etc. scoundrel type character who is never amazing at combat but awesome in social encounters. It just happens. They are my favorite types of characters to play. But each one is different from the other. My neutral good half celestial bard/rogue is very much different from my human bard/seeker of the song, who in turn is even more different from my human swashbuckler/scout.

If they give you crap tell them to frag off. You're having fun, thats what's important. Not that you make vastly different characters each game.

That being said, I have a friend who makes the same character every time. A crotchety, sneaky, thieving somthing or other who is annoying and takes all the treasure. If this is thekind of character you are making (not saying you are, just if) then your friends do have a right to want you to play something different.

you got it right on, thank you, i thought it only happend in my groups....i tend to "role play'' the characters diffrently each time (a trimmbeling half orc barbairon, that only fights if he is in a rage) (A half giant Psy Warrior with a soul of a half orc devoted follower of Moridin)...long story lol
Will_Stutler
05-08-07, 04:16 PM I have played the grouchy dwarf fighter for 30 years. There is always space for the classics. Of course, I mostly DM any more, so I dont play them often enough.

Next time somebody wants you to play something different, tell them OK, but you cant drink mountain dew, or what ever their favorite is, instead you have to drink cold black coffee, or something else they dont like, if they have a taste for cold coffee.

Seems fair, if they can dictate something you like, you should be able to dictate something to them.

i so like that....thats F!@#ing cool lol
TrothgardtheMad
05-09-07, 11:17 AM I joined a campaign halfway through where the leader of the party was a 16th level human braggart fighter, until he realized he was too uber for the party, he decided to switch out and play another human fighter that bore similar tactics to the one that left our group, just a little less obnoxius.

Fast forward 2 years, when a chaotic summer threw everyone's schedules to the wind (we only meet on Sundays, and every other at that matter). We started a low level campaign.

From a dwarf Rogue/Temple Raider, I played an gnomish artificer. A newspaper reporting nosy wizard went to play a warforged fighter. Our human fighter went on to play another human fighter, with the same mindset.

Fast forward to some foolishness on our part, our human fighter died. We were constantly ribbing that he was going to have to grind out another low level human fighter from his mold. Boy, did he surprise us coming to the table two weeks later. Elf Conjuror. (Our group has grown to 6 people since, which we have a swashbuckler type and two new people to the whole of D&D so are playing fighters)

You can tell he, at times, wants to go and be the frontlines, but he's been doing good, albeit some spell slip ups. He's enjoying a facet of the game that he never really got to try, and I think is doing well. The sad part is there are only two types in our group, the fighters and the wizards, we have a gap in skill monkeys and divine power. I generally take on the skill monkeys (dwarf rogue/temple raider, gnomish artificer) but rarely has anyone in our group strapped on the mantle of cleric. I think if I were making another character, I might head for cleric or druid for divine spell slinging.

It works if you have no fighter if you keep playing warrior-types, but if your group is flush with warriors like ours is, it might be interesting to challenge yourself with something else.

But maybe that's just me.
Prof. Pacali
05-09-07, 04:47 PM What annoys me is when I choose to play certain classes, only to be told to my face that the class just plain sucks, and I should either play another class, or only "dip into the class for a build". In particular, I like playing rogues. I played a 2E thief in high school, and I loved sneaking around, finding traps, and committing felonies. (Did not enjoy combat, which in 2E is far more brutal on thieves, who don't have access to weapon finnesse, spring attack, or the ability to backstab someone with a ranged weapon.) But apparently they left out of the PHB Erratta that you're only supposed to take one or two levels of rogue, and if you take more you're somehow hurting the party. But I digress...
Ogre4Hire
05-09-07, 10:49 PM Whenever I start a new game, I try to build a character who's as different from my last character as I can make him, though I usually play either a dwarf or a human.
Drodain
05-09-07, 10:54 PM My friends don't really care. They make a couple jokes about me playing the fighter type but then when I let someone else do it or just decide not to the person playing the fighter type always comes to me for a little bit of help. It's fun to play what the type you like. Theres nothing wrong with a little bit of change though but I still like playing the high str high con character.
Label
05-09-07, 11:38 PM Will_Stutler, just consider this :

There is one human Fighter lvl 1 and there is an other human Fighter lvl 1. Both have same hit points, same stats, same feats, same skill ranks... they are identical on paper, except for maybe the physical look and the name.

But they still are different.
Why?
Because one was an orphan, raised as a fighter throught all his life, never knowing anything else than fights.
The other one is just bored with his life as a [whatever profession he has] and want to go on adventuring to find exciting things to do.

You see? This isn't classes that make up a character, it's his background and personality that makes a character.
That's why it's called Character and not just Bunch-of-Stats.

As a DM, I see that many of my players usually play the same type of classe. One is almost always a fighter, one is almost always a caster (switching from sorcerer to wizard, and druid), and the other one is usually a cleric... But their characters all have different backgrounds and ways to play them, different relations between other characters.
That's why we never bother than they play the same classes again and again.

Still as a DM, I find it usefull when I start a new campaign. I know that main roles will be quickly filled in the party before even asking my players what they play.
Kouk
05-10-07, 07:18 AM It could also be that the other players want to try their hand at melee, but you always have the tank role covered so they feel they would be hurting the group to have another.

Or they are jealous you have something you like to do and they are undecided.

Or, most likely, people like to complain.

There's also some magic point variant for spellcasters in Unearthed Arcana I think, that is similar to psionic points.
Salla
05-10-07, 01:58 PM I rarely have that problem, but then I rarely play the same type of character twice in a row, class-speaking. I do, typically, play spellcasters/manifesters, but I'd say that's as a 60/40 ratio, and typically because nobody else either wants to or does it well (failing to look up spell descriptions, etc). I also tend to wait to make my character last, so I can fill a necessary gap, which makes me a cleric most often of all.

I am renowned for playing either Warforged or animalistic races (Shifters, Hengeyokai, Catfolk, Gnoll, etc), however, though I try to give my characters distinct (and often stereotype-bucking) personalities.
PolasKasDorion
05-10-07, 02:27 PM I've been given crap for playing too many Dread Necromancers... in truth 3 out of my 20+ characters were Dread Necromancers.

In truth... before the Heroes of Horror came out I had never even played a magic user before, so their ridicule was a little unwarranted (especially considering two of the those DNs never made it past 2nd level because the campaigns fizzled).

There is a guy in our group who has played for around 20 years... always the same character type... ALWAYs a Wizard... always named the same thing no matter what species.. or world... or whatever. Needless to say we give him plenty of guff. We like to call him the walking Wand of Fireballs.
CryoSilver
05-10-07, 02:30 PM I am rarely harassed about my choice of class. I love playing rogues, clerics and fighters, and their variations (very stoked to have just bought Book of 9 Swords), which is enough variety.

I have, however, been banned from playing the fighter in one group, because my fighting style (heavy use of bull rush, tripping and other slightly annoying tactics) slowed the game down. Now I play a rogue.
Shadowhowler
05-10-07, 03:11 PM Will: Tell em to pay more attention to their own characters, and less attention to yours. A$$hats.

Not everyone feels comfortable being super versitle. I played with one guy... not the deepest roleplayer in the world, played characters of a similar varriaty most times... but one of the nicest, most decent guys I knew, and never EVER tried to powergame or min-max, overshadow anyone, take anything in game into the out of game realm.

Another guy I used to play with, one of the only guys in my group that also DMed, hard a mad on for Necromancers, for some reason. Never did figure out why... but at least 1/3 of all his player characters were necromancers.

So what? He ran fun games, made intresting character... who cares if he is a closet necrophliac? :)

My point is... do YOUR thing... have fun... and tell them to do the same. If they are giving you all this crap just becuase you like a certain kind of character... it's a fault of theirs, not yours.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Will_Stutler 05-08-07, 03:36 PM	does any one else get crap about playing the same classes or type of classes.....i love to play Fighters and fighter types barbarians, monks, Psy. warriors, to a lesser dagree Rangers, and War Mages though i know that last one is less of a fighter more of a spell caster with some hit points, hell guys i have even played a Warlock .................but in the end every one of my friends and other party members gives me ** about playing not only something i can understand but something i understand as many times as i have tried to play a stright spell caster i just can't get all the spells and how many spells you get for each day which charts you follow and why one chart says you get something when the next chart says you dont get that extra spell a day....where psionics i understand has any one else been given ** for playing the same types of charachters??? any thoughts on how i can get these guys off my back......keep in mind that these guys are friends and i do not want to get kicked out of the game nor loss any friends over this any thoughts would be nice Later Days Will Stutler
Lord_Svengali 05-08-07, 03:48 PM	I tend to catch a lot of good-natured ribbing from my friends, who claim that unless the DM walks me through character creation, I will invariably create some sort of swashbuckling Arabian-style sorcerer. I have also received more than a little flack from assorted self-proclaimed "uber-doodz" who don't understand my mindset.
Toran_A_Sunder 05-08-07, 03:59 PM	Invariably, if a friend spontaneously decides to run a game and I only have a few moments to think about it, 8 out of 10 times I'll create a bard/rogue/swashbuckler/etc. scoundrel type character who is never amazing at combat but awesome in social encounters. It just happens. They are my favorite types of characters to play. But each one is different from the other. My neutral good half celestial bard/rogue is very much different from my human bard/seeker of the song, who in turn is even more different from my human swashbuckler/scout. If they give you crap tell them to frag off. You're having fun, thats what's important. Not that you make vastly different characters each game. That being said, I have a friend who makes the same character every time. A crotchety, sneaky, thieving somthing or other who is annoying and takes all the treasure. If this is thekind of character you are making (not saying you are, just if) then your friends do have a right to want you to play something different.
Seeker95 05-08-07, 04:06 PM	Not I. Nobody seemed to have a problem with my normally playing a dwarven fighter in older editions, and I have not played enough 3e to have earned such a reputation. (I DM mostly.)
celtredleg 05-08-07, 04:14 PM	I have played the grouchy dwarf fighter for 30 years. There is always space for the classics. Of course, I mostly DM any more, so I dont play them often enough. Next time somebody wants you to play something different, tell them OK, but you cant drink mountain dew, or what ever their favorite is, instead you have to drink cold black coffee, or something else they dont like, if they have a taste for cold coffee. Seems fair, if they can dictate something you like, you should be able to dictate something to them.
Will_Stutler 05-08-07, 04:14 PM	Invariably, if a friend spontaneously decides to run a game and I only have a few moments to think about it, 8 out of 10 times I'll create a bard/rogue/swashbuckler/etc. scoundrel type character who is never amazing at combat but awesome in social encounters. It just happens. They are my favorite types of characters to play. But each one is different from the other. My neutral good half celestial bard/rogue is very much different from my human bard/seeker of the song, who in turn is even more different from my human swashbuckler/scout. If they give you crap tell them to frag off. You're having fun, thats what's important. Not that you make vastly different characters each game. That being said, I have a friend who makes the same character every time. A crotchety, sneaky, thieving somthing or other who is annoying and takes all the treasure. If this is thekind of character you are making (not saying you are, just if) then your friends do have a right to want you to play something different. you got it right on, thank you, i thought it only happend in my groups....i tend to "role play'' the characters diffrently each time (a trimmbeling half orc barbairon, that only fights if he is in a rage) (A half giant Psy Warrior with a soul of a half orc devoted follower of Moridin)...long story lol
Will_Stutler 05-08-07, 04:16 PM	I have played the grouchy dwarf fighter for 30 years. There is always space for the classics. Of course, I mostly DM any more, so I dont play them often enough. Next time somebody wants you to play something different, tell them OK, but you cant drink mountain dew, or what ever their favorite is, instead you have to drink cold black coffee, or something else they dont like, if they have a taste for cold coffee. Seems fair, if they can dictate something you like, you should be able to dictate something to them. i so like that....thats F!@#ing cool lol
TrothgardtheMad 05-09-07, 11:17 AM	I joined a campaign halfway through where the leader of the party was a 16th level human braggart fighter, until he realized he was too uber for the party, he decided to switch out and play another human fighter that bore similar tactics to the one that left our group, just a little less obnoxius. Fast forward 2 years, when a chaotic summer threw everyone's schedules to the wind (we only meet on Sundays, and every other at that matter). We started a low level campaign. From a dwarf Rogue/Temple Raider, I played an gnomish artificer. A newspaper reporting nosy wizard went to play a warforged fighter. Our human fighter went on to play another human fighter, with the same mindset. Fast forward to some foolishness on our part, our human fighter died. We were constantly ribbing that he was going to have to grind out another low level human fighter from his mold. Boy, did he surprise us coming to the table two weeks later. Elf Conjuror. (Our group has grown to 6 people since, which we have a swashbuckler type and two new people to the whole of D&D so are playing fighters) You can tell he, at times, wants to go and be the frontlines, but he's been doing good, albeit some spell slip ups. He's enjoying a facet of the game that he never really got to try, and I think is doing well. The sad part is there are only two types in our group, the fighters and the wizards, we have a gap in skill monkeys and divine power. I generally take on the skill monkeys (dwarf rogue/temple raider, gnomish artificer) but rarely has anyone in our group strapped on the mantle of cleric. I think if I were making another character, I might head for cleric or druid for divine spell slinging. It works if you have no fighter if you keep playing warrior-types, but if your group is flush with warriors like ours is, it might be interesting to challenge yourself with something else. But maybe that's just me.
Prof. Pacali 05-09-07, 04:47 PM	What annoys me is when I choose to play certain classes, only to be told to my face that the class just plain sucks, and I should either play another class, or only "dip into the class for a build". In particular, I like playing rogues. I played a 2E thief in high school, and I loved sneaking around, finding traps, and committing felonies. (Did not enjoy combat, which in 2E is far more brutal on thieves, who don't have access to weapon finnesse, spring attack, or the ability to backstab someone with a ranged weapon.) But apparently they left out of the PHB Erratta that you're only supposed to take one or two levels of rogue, and if you take more you're somehow hurting the party. But I digress...
Ogre4Hire 05-09-07, 10:49 PM	Whenever I start a new game, I try to build a character who's as different from my last character as I can make him, though I usually play either a dwarf or a human.
Drodain 05-09-07, 10:54 PM	My friends don't really care. They make a couple jokes about me playing the fighter type but then when I let someone else do it or just decide not to the person playing the fighter type always comes to me for a little bit of help. It's fun to play what the type you like. Theres nothing wrong with a little bit of change though but I still like playing the high str high con character.
Label 05-09-07, 11:38 PM	Will_Stutler, just consider this : There is one human Fighter lvl 1 and there is an other human Fighter lvl 1. Both have same hit points, same stats, same feats, same skill ranks... they are identical on paper, except for maybe the physical look and the name. But they still are different. Why? Because one was an orphan, raised as a fighter throught all his life, never knowing anything else than fights. The other one is just bored with his life as a [whatever profession he has] and want to go on adventuring to find exciting things to do. You see? This isn't classes that make up a character, it's his background and personality that makes a character. That's why it's called Character and not just Bunch-of-Stats. As a DM, I see that many of my players usually play the same type of classe. One is almost always a fighter, one is almost always a caster (switching from sorcerer to wizard, and druid), and the other one is usually a cleric... But their characters all have different backgrounds and ways to play them, different relations between other characters. That's why we never bother than they play the same classes again and again. Still as a DM, I find it usefull when I start a new campaign. I know that main roles will be quickly filled in the party before even asking my players what they play.
Kouk 05-10-07, 07:18 AM	It could also be that the other players want to try their hand at melee, but you always have the tank role covered so they feel they would be hurting the group to have another. Or they are jealous you have something you like to do and they are undecided. Or, most likely, people like to complain. There's also some magic point variant for spellcasters in Unearthed Arcana I think, that is similar to psionic points.
Salla 05-10-07, 01:58 PM	I rarely have that problem, but then I rarely play the same type of character twice in a row, class-speaking. I do, typically, play spellcasters/manifesters, but I'd say that's as a 60/40 ratio, and typically because nobody else either wants to or does it well (failing to look up spell descriptions, etc). I also tend to wait to make my character last, so I can fill a necessary gap, which makes me a cleric most often of all. I am renowned for playing either Warforged or animalistic races (Shifters, Hengeyokai, Catfolk, Gnoll, etc), however, though I try to give my characters distinct (and often stereotype-bucking) personalities.
PolasKasDorion 05-10-07, 02:27 PM	I've been given crap for playing too many Dread Necromancers... in truth 3 out of my 20+ characters were Dread Necromancers. In truth... before the Heroes of Horror came out I had never even played a magic user before, so their ridicule was a little unwarranted (especially considering two of the those DNs never made it past 2nd level because the campaigns fizzled). There is a guy in our group who has played for around 20 years... always the same character type... ALWAYs a Wizard... always named the same thing no matter what species.. or world... or whatever. Needless to say we give him plenty of guff. We like to call him the walking Wand of Fireballs.
CryoSilver 05-10-07, 02:30 PM	I am rarely harassed about my choice of class. I love playing rogues, clerics and fighters, and their variations (very stoked to have just bought Book of 9 Swords), which is enough variety. I have, however, been banned from playing the fighter in one group, because my fighting style (heavy use of bull rush, tripping and other slightly annoying tactics) slowed the game down. Now I play a rogue.
Shadowhowler 05-10-07, 03:11 PM	Will: Tell em to pay more attention to their own characters, and less attention to yours. A$$hats. Not everyone feels comfortable being super versitle. I played with one guy... not the deepest roleplayer in the world, played characters of a similar varriaty most times... but one of the nicest, most decent guys I knew, and never EVER tried to powergame or min-max, overshadow anyone, take anything in game into the out of game realm. Another guy I used to play with, one of the only guys in my group that also DMed, hard a mad on for Necromancers, for some reason. Never did figure out why... but at least 1/3 of all his player characters were necromancers. So what? He ran fun games, made intresting character... who cares if he is a closet necrophliac? :) My point is... do YOUR thing... have fun... and tell them to do the same. If they are giving you all this crap just becuase you like a certain kind of character... it's a fault of theirs, not yours.