Any one speak Eldarin??? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Any one speak Eldarin??? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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DougyJ
05-14-07, 03:14 AM It might be kind of silly for me to ask, however does anyone fluently speak in an elven toungue, or at least have some form of text with elven words in it ???

For some reason i was perusing through a book and it had mentioned an elven artifact with elven runes and what not.

Which brought me back even further that i had dated thisone chick who had translated my name into elven, or found my name in Elven in a list of names coverted to Elven.

Much thanks to anyone.
Solaris
05-14-07, 03:41 AM For Tolkien's Elvish languages, see http://www.uib.no/people/hnohf/, particularly http://www.uib.no/people/hnohf/qcourse.htm
DougyJ
05-14-07, 08:03 AM Thanks for the links but i am also looking for a book that translates humans names in to Eldarin or Quenyan
NaeraBlueshadow
05-14-07, 02:47 PM pehaps something like this??

http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/elvish/names.html
Tempest Stormwind
05-14-07, 04:19 PM If all you want to do is use the alphabet instead of the actual language (which is pretty much what you'd want, since "Doug" or "Alice" or whatever is not a Quenya or Sindarin word), you'd probably use something like this (http://www.starchamber.com/paracelsus/elvish/elvish-in-ten-minutes.html), which is a quick-and-dirty guide to writing English words in Tengwar (Tolkien's more prominent Elvish alphabet).

Tengwar looks more flowing and exotic than the other alphabets he used to write Elvish in (Cirth's runes were very similar to pre-existing Celtic and Gothic runes, while the Roman alphabet used in the books themselves is of course used to write English). I'm pretty sure that link earlier is in the Sindarin mode, although I could be wrong.

For more on the alphabets used to write Elvish, I'd suggest looking at Omniglot's pages on Tengwar (http://www.omniglot.com/writing/tengwar.htm) and Cirth (http://www.omniglot.com/writing/cirth.htm).
Salla
05-14-07, 07:50 PM It's a fictional language. Nobody speaks elven or has elven text that's any more authentic than anybody else's. Just make up your own words. :)
DougyJ
05-14-07, 08:12 PM pehaps something like this??

http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/elvish/names.html

THANK YOU, that is the name ..well it was familiar but recognizable, it might be in a different dialect too but it is definatly familiar..

I am, Mornenion.
Alpha_Moose
05-14-07, 08:36 PM It's a fictional language. Nobody speaks elven or has elven text that's any more authentic than anybody else's. Just make up your own words. :)

The difference is that the language actually exists. Tolkien made up the entire language (he was a professor of linguistics). So yes, some people actually speak it.

On a side note, my name in Quenya is in my sig.
Tempest Stormwind
05-14-07, 08:47 PM It's a fictional language. Nobody speaks elven or has elven text that's any more authentic than anybody else's. Just make up your own words. :)

Tolkien developed the complete Quenya language and the corresponding Tengwar alphabet at age 23. Quenya is most similar to Finnish, with touches of Greek and Latin in there, while Tengwar borrows slightly from Tibetan writing styles. He only later wrote his fantasy stories, deciding that Quenya would be the language of the high elves in his stories (people complain about Ed Greenwood's personification in Elminster? Tolkien made his elves essentially perfection incarnate and used his hobby language as their primary means of communication). The elves were shaped by the language, not the other way around, nor was he writing in gibberish when he provided elven words or phrases. He actually was writing in a translatable language.

Tolkien was a linguistics professor. You don't become a professor in a field unless you are truly interested in it. A HUGE amount of his work was influenced by language -- for instance, you can find nearly the entire plot of The Hobbit in the etymology of the name Bilbo Baggins. Just wrap what you find up in fantasy and you've got a decent story. (I'm under the impression he came up with the name before he wrote most of the story as we know it today, developing the plot in the direction the name provided. I could be wrong on this, though, as I'm honestly NOT that big of a Tolkien fan. I just have a good memory for random trivia.)
DougyJ
05-14-07, 09:24 PM Tolkien developed the complete Quenya language and the corresponding Tengwar alphabet at age 23. Quenya is most similar to Finnish, with touches of Greek and Latin in there, while Tengwar borrows slightly from Tibetan writing styles. He only later wrote his fantasy stories, deciding that Quenya would be the language of the high elves in his stories (people complain about Ed Greenwood's personification in Elminster? Tolkien made his elves essentially perfection incarnate and used his hobby language as their primary means of communication). The elves were shaped by the language, not the other way around, nor was he writing in gibberish when he provided elven words or phrases. He actually was writing in a translatable language.

Tolkien was a linguistics professor. You don't become a professor in a field unless you are truly interested in it. A HUGE amount of his work was influenced by language -- for instance, you can find nearly the entire plot of The Hobbit in the etymology of the name Bilbo Baggins. Just wrap what you find up in fantasy and you've got a decent story. (I'm under the impression he came up with the name before he wrote most of the story as we know it today, developing the plot in the direction the name provided. I could be wrong on this, though, as I'm honestly NOT that big of a Tolkien fan. I just have a good memory for random trivia.)

I was reading into alot of that when i was still searching about Tolkien.

They have a translator in drow too I can get you guys the link if you are interested.

I also saw he made the elven dialelct Sindarin the language of grey elves.. just who are the grey elves??
Alpha_Moose
05-14-07, 09:29 PM I was reading into alot of that when i was still searching about Tolkien.

They have a translator in drow too I can get you guys the link if you are interested.

I also saw he made the elven dialelct Sindarin the language of grey elves.. just who are the grey elves??

Legolas is Sindar (grey elf). Elrond and Galadriel are Noldor. Go here (http://www.glyphweb.com/ARDA/) for more info on Tolkien's myths in general.

I'm kinda interested in the drow language. Is it D&D drow or what?

Edit* I gave a brief history of the elves here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=11845275&postcount=18).
DougyJ
05-14-07, 09:36 PM Legolas is Sindar (grey elf). Elrond and Galadriel are Noldor. Go here (http://www.glyphweb.com/ARDA/) for more info on Tolkien's myths in general.

I'm kinda interested in the drow language. Is it D&D drow or what?

I don't really know i'd have to see some type of recognizable words from a D&D book inorder to tell you, but it is downloadable also.

http://grey-company.org/Maerdyn/resources/translator/
Solaris
05-14-07, 11:08 PM I'm kinda interested in the drow language. Is it D&D drow or what?What other drow are there?
Ogre4Hire
05-14-07, 11:15 PM Yeah, it's D&D Drow (I checked).
DougyJ
05-15-07, 05:26 AM Yeah, it's D&D Drow (I checked).

But how do you know for sure... is it in a book? one of my Uncles Just finished a book about drow, that is supposed to have influenced parts from Drow of the Under Dark.
NaeraBlueshadow
05-15-07, 12:14 PM It's a fictional language. Nobody speaks elven or has elven text that's any more authentic than anybody else's. Just make up your own words. :)

not true at Univerisity of Texas here in Austin you can take elvish as a class and learn to read and write it fluentlly you can even go to the liberry and check out tolkiens books on elvish grammar ect.
Tempest Stormwind
05-15-07, 02:10 PM not true at Univerisity of Texas here in Austin you can take elvish as a class and learn to read and write it fluentlly you can even go to the liberry and check out tolkiens books on elvish grammar ect.

While correct, am I the only one who finds it amusing that he's advertising a university language course... using a run-on sentence full of spelling and grammatical errors?

(On an unrelated note, it's not all that uncommon. I've heard of establishments offering courses in Klingon (tlhIngan Hol) before. Yes, it is a full language, just created far more recently by someone with far less notoriety than Tolkien.)

Regarding the "Drow" translator: It was spawned by the Drow Dictionary, which was originally a composite of every word and phrase they could find in the 1991 Drow of the Underdark book, which weren't created by a linguist. They also added words and phrases from Salvatore's books, which were mostly chosen for their exotic sound or appearance. "Drow", as it exists, isn't actually a language -- in either the true linguistic sense OR the D&D sense (Drow speak Common, Undercommon and Elven; Drow doesn't exist in the ruleset, although Drow Sign Language does).
NaeraBlueshadow
05-15-07, 04:14 PM first off i am a history major not english and second i was merely pointing it out no need to get snippy about my typing
Ogre4Hire
05-15-07, 11:07 PM But how do you know for sure... is it in a book? one of my Uncles Just finished a book about drow, that is supposed to have influenced parts from Drow of the Under Dark.

I cracked open an R. A. Salvator novel and typed random drow words into the translator.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
DougyJ 05-14-07, 03:14 AM	It might be kind of silly for me to ask, however does anyone fluently speak in an elven toungue, or at least have some form of text with elven words in it ??? For some reason i was perusing through a book and it had mentioned an elven artifact with elven runes and what not. Which brought me back even further that i had dated thisone chick who had translated my name into elven, or found my name in Elven in a list of names coverted to Elven. Much thanks to anyone.
Solaris 05-14-07, 03:41 AM	For Tolkien's Elvish languages, see http://www.uib.no/people/hnohf/, particularly http://www.uib.no/people/hnohf/qcourse.htm
DougyJ 05-14-07, 08:03 AM	Thanks for the links but i am also looking for a book that translates humans names in to Eldarin or Quenyan
NaeraBlueshadow 05-14-07, 02:47 PM	pehaps something like this?? http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/elvish/names.html
Tempest Stormwind 05-14-07, 04:19 PM	If all you want to do is use the alphabet instead of the actual language (which is pretty much what you'd want, since "Doug" or "Alice" or whatever is not a Quenya or Sindarin word), you'd probably use something like this (http://www.starchamber.com/paracelsus/elvish/elvish-in-ten-minutes.html), which is a quick-and-dirty guide to writing English words in Tengwar (Tolkien's more prominent Elvish alphabet). Tengwar looks more flowing and exotic than the other alphabets he used to write Elvish in (Cirth's runes were very similar to pre-existing Celtic and Gothic runes, while the Roman alphabet used in the books themselves is of course used to write English). I'm pretty sure that link earlier is in the Sindarin mode, although I could be wrong. For more on the alphabets used to write Elvish, I'd suggest looking at Omniglot's pages on Tengwar (http://www.omniglot.com/writing/tengwar.htm) and Cirth (http://www.omniglot.com/writing/cirth.htm).
Salla 05-14-07, 07:50 PM	It's a fictional language. Nobody speaks elven or has elven text that's any more authentic than anybody else's. Just make up your own words. :)
DougyJ 05-14-07, 08:12 PM	pehaps something like this?? http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/elvish/names.html THANK YOU, that is the name ..well it was familiar but recognizable, it might be in a different dialect too but it is definatly familiar.. I am, Mornenion.
Alpha_Moose 05-14-07, 08:36 PM	It's a fictional language. Nobody speaks elven or has elven text that's any more authentic than anybody else's. Just make up your own words. :) The difference is that the language actually exists. Tolkien made up the entire language (he was a professor of linguistics). So yes, some people actually speak it. On a side note, my name in Quenya is in my sig.
Tempest Stormwind 05-14-07, 08:47 PM	It's a fictional language. Nobody speaks elven or has elven text that's any more authentic than anybody else's. Just make up your own words. :) Tolkien developed the complete Quenya language and the corresponding Tengwar alphabet at age 23. Quenya is most similar to Finnish, with touches of Greek and Latin in there, while Tengwar borrows slightly from Tibetan writing styles. He only later wrote his fantasy stories, deciding that Quenya would be the language of the high elves in his stories (people complain about Ed Greenwood's personification in Elminster? Tolkien made his elves essentially perfection incarnate and used his hobby language as their primary means of communication). The elves were shaped by the language, not the other way around, nor was he writing in gibberish when he provided elven words or phrases. He actually was writing in a translatable language. Tolkien was a linguistics professor. You don't become a professor in a field unless you are truly interested in it. A HUGE amount of his work was influenced by language -- for instance, you can find nearly the entire plot of The Hobbit in the etymology of the name Bilbo Baggins. Just wrap what you find up in fantasy and you've got a decent story. (I'm under the impression he came up with the name before he wrote most of the story as we know it today, developing the plot in the direction the name provided. I could be wrong on this, though, as I'm honestly NOT that big of a Tolkien fan. I just have a good memory for random trivia.)
DougyJ 05-14-07, 09:24 PM	Tolkien developed the complete Quenya language and the corresponding Tengwar alphabet at age 23. Quenya is most similar to Finnish, with touches of Greek and Latin in there, while Tengwar borrows slightly from Tibetan writing styles. He only later wrote his fantasy stories, deciding that Quenya would be the language of the high elves in his stories (people complain about Ed Greenwood's personification in Elminster? Tolkien made his elves essentially perfection incarnate and used his hobby language as their primary means of communication). The elves were shaped by the language, not the other way around, nor was he writing in gibberish when he provided elven words or phrases. He actually was writing in a translatable language. Tolkien was a linguistics professor. You don't become a professor in a field unless you are truly interested in it. A HUGE amount of his work was influenced by language -- for instance, you can find nearly the entire plot of The Hobbit in the etymology of the name Bilbo Baggins. Just wrap what you find up in fantasy and you've got a decent story. (I'm under the impression he came up with the name before he wrote most of the story as we know it today, developing the plot in the direction the name provided. I could be wrong on this, though, as I'm honestly NOT that big of a Tolkien fan. I just have a good memory for random trivia.) I was reading into alot of that when i was still searching about Tolkien. They have a translator in drow too I can get you guys the link if you are interested. I also saw he made the elven dialelct Sindarin the language of grey elves.. just who are the grey elves??
Alpha_Moose 05-14-07, 09:29 PM	I was reading into alot of that when i was still searching about Tolkien. They have a translator in drow too I can get you guys the link if you are interested. I also saw he made the elven dialelct Sindarin the language of grey elves.. just who are the grey elves?? Legolas is Sindar (grey elf). Elrond and Galadriel are Noldor. Go here (http://www.glyphweb.com/ARDA/) for more info on Tolkien's myths in general. I'm kinda interested in the drow language. Is it D&D drow or what? Edit* I gave a brief history of the elves here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=11845275&postcount=18).
DougyJ 05-14-07, 09:36 PM	Legolas is Sindar (grey elf). Elrond and Galadriel are Noldor. Go here (http://www.glyphweb.com/ARDA/) for more info on Tolkien's myths in general. I'm kinda interested in the drow language. Is it D&D drow or what? I don't really know i'd have to see some type of recognizable words from a D&D book inorder to tell you, but it is downloadable also. http://grey-company.org/Maerdyn/resources/translator/
Solaris 05-14-07, 11:08 PM	I'm kinda interested in the drow language. Is it D&D drow or what?What other drow are there?
Ogre4Hire 05-14-07, 11:15 PM	Yeah, it's D&D Drow (I checked).
DougyJ 05-15-07, 05:26 AM	Yeah, it's D&D Drow (I checked). But how do you know for sure... is it in a book? one of my Uncles Just finished a book about drow, that is supposed to have influenced parts from Drow of the Under Dark.
NaeraBlueshadow 05-15-07, 12:14 PM	It's a fictional language. Nobody speaks elven or has elven text that's any more authentic than anybody else's. Just make up your own words. :) not true at Univerisity of Texas here in Austin you can take elvish as a class and learn to read and write it fluentlly you can even go to the liberry and check out tolkiens books on elvish grammar ect.
Tempest Stormwind 05-15-07, 02:10 PM	not true at Univerisity of Texas here in Austin you can take elvish as a class and learn to read and write it fluentlly you can even go to the liberry and check out tolkiens books on elvish grammar ect. While correct, am I the only one who finds it amusing that he's advertising a university language course... using a run-on sentence full of spelling and grammatical errors? (On an unrelated note, it's not all that uncommon. I've heard of establishments offering courses in Klingon (tlhIngan Hol) before. Yes, it is a full language, just created far more recently by someone with far less notoriety than Tolkien.) Regarding the "Drow" translator: It was spawned by the Drow Dictionary, which was originally a composite of every word and phrase they could find in the 1991 Drow of the Underdark book, which weren't created by a linguist. They also added words and phrases from Salvatore's books, which were mostly chosen for their exotic sound or appearance. "Drow", as it exists, isn't actually a language -- in either the true linguistic sense OR the D&D sense (Drow speak Common, Undercommon and Elven; Drow doesn't exist in the ruleset, although Drow Sign Language does).
NaeraBlueshadow 05-15-07, 04:14 PM	first off i am a history major not english and second i was merely pointing it out no need to get snippy about my typing
Ogre4Hire 05-15-07, 11:07 PM	But how do you know for sure... is it in a book? one of my Uncles Just finished a book about drow, that is supposed to have influenced parts from Drow of the Under Dark. I cracked open an R. A. Salvator novel and typed random drow words into the translator.